EPTThis whole situation is kind of stupid. I think the school should have just let it go.
Same-sex Couple Banned from Formal - Page 12
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PH
United States6173 Posts
This whole situation is kind of stupid. I think the school should have just let it go. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:05 Masamune wrote: Yes, there is more tolerance of race in the West, and I'd argue elsewhere in world, in comparison to homosexuals. If this girl had brought a black male to the formal, nothing would have happened. Saying that there is more intolerance of race because you can't see a person's sexual orientation is one of the fucking dumbest things I've seen all week. You don't go by quantity, you go by quality. There are more cases of racism because there happens to be more people of different fucking races. But when you compare the severity of treatment towards both groups, it's probably a little worse in favour of gay people. The fact that there are propositions involving their rights and their eligibility to get married in the States, whereas interracial couples don't experience any of this should give you a damn clue. that's funny, how do you know how many gays there are, vs the population of "minority races" in this country? and how do you know quality? and how do you compare quantity to "quality"? 2=1? it seems like you're making shit up and you want to think gays have it worse | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
anyways, what a BS school. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:12 .risingdragoon wrote: that's funny, how do you know how many gays there are, vs the population of "minority races" in this country? and how do you know quality? and how do you compare quantity to "quality"? 2=1? it seems like you're making shit up and you want to think gays have it worse that's funny, it seems like you've reached a dead end in your arguments. How do YOU know "quality" where you can make the claim that racism is a much bigger and severe issue than homosexual discrimination? You've already stated this in the thread so please inform me. Regarding numbers, let me explain it to you again. There are more non-white people than there are gays, therefore the racism that me and you are talking about will have a higher chance of occurring than homosexual discrimination. How do I know there are more minorities than gays? Because I fucking have eyes. Even if I didn't have eyes, you could deduce it through evolutionary reasons why homosexuality wouldn't proliferate as much as heterosexuality. In terms of how I assess who has it harder among racial groups and homosexuals (the "quality" I was talking about previously), I base it on civil rights and general hardships homosexuals have to face. As far as I know, racial groups can marry. As far as I know, interracial marriage exists without a problem in the West. As far as I know, your black (or insert any other minority) parents aren't likely to treat you any differently because you are black. I can keep going on but if you don't get it by now then I think the banned posters were right in their comments. It seems like you're making shit up and are denying that gays have it worse when it's obvious they do. Should we really take this to a poll? | ||
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FaZe
Canada472 Posts
People just aren't used to dealing with gays yet ... in 50 years this kind of shit won't happen any more, just like they would never have banned certain races from the dance. It's unfortunate, but the US is SLOW to change their ways. Just look at their retarded mesurement system. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Weedk
United States507 Posts
Edit: Americans indeed are really slow to change their ways. I totally agree with using the metric system. A lot needs to change to affect that mentality. I think it's the superiority complex that many Americans seem to have. I know the OP is about Australia, but I'm just talking about the US as it's been brought up in the thread and it's where I hail from. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:44 FaZe wrote: Obviously this is all a big load of bullshit. Lots of people have been comparing the bigotry to racism, something that I would agree is completely legitamate. People just aren't used to dealing with gays yet ... in 50 years this kind of shit won't happen any more, just like they would never have banned certain races from the dance. It's unfortunate, but the US is SLOW to change their ways. Just look at their retarded mesurement system. Except that this was in Australia. How about you read the thread first before making yourself look stupid. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
same sex discrimination is being fought around the world. Another story, another day, another country. Whenever I get the chance I vote for freedom, but the chance rarely comes up so it will wait for the next generation probably. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:34 Masamune wrote: that's funny, it seems like you've reached a dead end in your arguments. How do YOU know "quality" where you can make the claim that racism is a much bigger and severe issue than homosexual discrimination? You've already stated this in the thread so please inform me. Regarding numbers, let me explain it to you again. There are more non-white people than there are gays, therefore the racism that me and you are talking about will have a higher chance of occurring than homosexual discrimination. How do I know there are more minorities than gays? Because I fucking have eyes. Even if I didn't have eyes, you could deduce it through evolutionary reasons why homosexuality wouldn't proliferate as much as heterosexuality. In terms of how I assess who has it harder among racial groups and homosexuals (the "quality" I was talking about previously), I base it on civil rights and general hardships homosexuals have to face. As far as I know, racial groups can marry. As far as I know, interracial marriage exists without a problem in the West. As far as I know, your black (or insert any other minority) parents aren't likely to treat you any differently because you are black. I can keep going on but if you don't get it by now then I think the banned posters were right in their comments. It seems like you're making shit up and are denying that gays have it worse when it's obvious they do. Should we really take this to a poll? that's alotta really stupid assumptions you say racism occurs more, but it's not as bad as the treatment of gays...cus you got eyes? lol are you fucking kidding me? and who said I'm black (or any other minority)? oh and interracial marriage is not the equivalent of gay marriage. | ||
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Shakes
Australia557 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:44 FaZe wrote: People just aren't used to dealing with gays yet ... in 50 years this kind of shit won't happen any more, just like they would never have banned certain races from the dance. You obviously missed stories like the black kids being banned from the pool in Philadelphia last year: http://s2smagazine.com/node/1249 I hate it when people talk like "oh yeah this shit will totally go away in time". It doesn't go away, the fight against bigotry is a war that is never won. Racism is far from dead, and we'll be dealing with homophobia for a long, long time too. Complacency that the end of discrimination is inevitable isn't helpful at all. | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:47 ghen wrote: Pre-drinks? 12 pages of arguing and no one is mentioning the real crime here. Or is 16 legal drinking age in that country? Canadian drinking laws are provincial and most are about 18 or 19. Frankly I dont see the problem. If parents took the time to introduce their children into social drinking and explain to them the risks it would do a lot of good in reducing the real problem which is binge drinking. I assume the child's parents were there as well; while I am concerned about parents giving alcohol to other people's kids, that is definitely the best environment for these kids to do something they were going to do anyway. i.e. supervised by adults who (theoretically) can handle an emergency, moderate the consumption of alcohol and prevent any related misconduct including driving after drinking. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:21 Brent352 wrote: Sounds like attention whoring to me. If they really wanted to go to the dance together they could have just gone under the radar and done their own thing at the dance. Instead they decided that they wanted attention and so made a huge deal about it (putting up posters around the school). It also seems like this is a private school and therefore should be allowed to have and enforce their own rules. If gays don't like it then they don't have to attend. So if I want to have a private school where niggers are treated extremely bad, that's ok, right? Because hey, it's my school. If they don't like it, they can pick another school. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On November 12 2010 12:50 .risingdragoon wrote: that's alotta really stupid assumptions you say racism occurs more, but it's not as bad as the treatment of gays...cus you got eyes? lol are you fucking kidding me? and who said I'm black (or any other minority)? oh and interracial marriage is not the equivalent of gay marriage. Tell me why they are stupid assumptions. Nice strawman on the second point. How is interracial marriage not the equivalent of gay marriage? Regardless, one group can marry the other group can't. If your stance is that racial minorities have it tougher than homosexuals, your wrong in this instance. P.S. you should have stopped arguing a while ago, you're making yourself look really bad. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
Gay marriage is about legitimacy in the eyes of the law to the gays, and the semantics on what constitutes a marriage to the religious conservatives. It's a battle over the institution of marriage. Interracial marriage is not about marriage at all, it's about the relationship and also the control of women and ties back into the whole issue of racism and sexism and their historical parallels. And contrary to what you may think, it's nothing like the smooth sailing that you made it out to be. On November 12 2010 13:00 Masamune wrote: P.S. you should have stopped arguing a while ago, you're making yourself look really bad. lol don't worry, I'm just fine. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On November 12 2010 13:14 .risingdragoon wrote: I'll just answer you on the marriage, everything else is basically "my eyes don't lie" BS. Gay marriage is about legitimacy in the eyes of the law to the gays, and the semantics on what constitutes a marriage to the religious conservatives. It's a battle over the institution of marriage. Interracial marriage is not about marriage at all, it's about the relationship and ties back into the whole issue of racism, and also the control of women. And contrary to what you may think, it's nothing like the smooth sailing that you made it out to be. You're dumb, you just proved his point while showing you had no grasp of the issue at hand. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46570 Posts
On November 12 2010 13:14 .risingdragoon wrote: Gay marriage is about legitimacy in the eyes of the law to the gays, and the semantics on what constitutes a marriage to the religious conservatives. It's a battle over the institution of marriage. Except there's no reason why religion should have any say over what is and what isn't appropriate for marriage, unless you live in a theocracy. Right? This article makes me sad. It's a pity that such bigotry still exists in this world. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On November 12 2010 13:20 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: You're dumb, you just proved his point while showing you had no grasp of the issue at hand. qft lmao | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
qft??? LOL Do I need to spell it out for you?!? One is about sex, and the other one is about sex AND marriage. No conservative cares much about the actual marriage once the sex happened and the kid is born. They happen to care about both sex and marriage in gay people's case cus apparently it's an "abomination" sez so in the bible. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On November 12 2010 13:31 .risingdragoon wrote: qft??? LOL Do I need to spell it out for you?!? One is about sex, and the other one is about sex AND marriage. No conservative cares about interracial marriage once the sex happened and the kid is born. They happen to care about both sex and marriage in gay people's case cus apparently it's an "abomination" sez so in the bible. See, that's what we're saying when we tell you that you have no grasp of the issue at hand. They actually used the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT against interracial marriage 50+ years ago and you just apparently have made up some weird and stupid justification that fits your point. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
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