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On November 12 2010 13:39 .risingdragoon wrote:
lol where does it say you can't have interracial relationship in bible? love to read it
Genesis 28:1: "And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan."
Leviticus 19:19: "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind ..."
Deuteronomy 7:2-3: "And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
Deuteronomy 22 : "Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled."
Deuteronomy 23:2: "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD."
Jeremiah 13:23: "Can an Ethiopian change the color of his skin? Can a leopard take away its spots? Neither can you start doing good, for you have always done evil."
Acts 17:24-26: "God ... hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation ..."
sauce: http://www.religioustolerance.org/marracbib.htm
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schools shouldn't be where underage kids learn to develop sexually deviant relationships
that's all I got
edit: @ guy above me, Acts is referring to the fact that we are all the same descendants of Noah.. all humans are free to marry and take wives among all races, because we are all the same progeny.
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^sexually deviant relationships??
was showing where in the bible it talks about interracial marriage not just the times it says u cant
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On November 12 2010 13:44 Coraz wrote:
schools shouldn't be where underage kids learn to develop sexually deviant relationships
Can you please elaborate on how this is relevant to the OP/ article? I'm looking and I don't see it.
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I'm no bible expert, but none of those specifically calls for people to not marry interracial, they could be interpreted that way, or they could be interpreted as people of differing ideologies or historical conflict (Cannan) should not marry, or a very specific group should not marry outward.
Except for Jeremiah 13:2 which cites Ethiopian directly, and says evil can't do good??? fucking weird.
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On November 12 2010 13:44 Coraz wrote:
schools shouldn't be where underage kids learn to develop sexually deviant relationships
how arbitrary it is that you get to decide that homosexual sex (which btw is different than a relationship) is what is deviant.
are you afraid that if a school allows a gay couple to go to the dance all the boys will start kissing each other? seems unlikely to me.
every gay person Ive ever met says they were born that way. and besides, who would chose to be gay with so many people like you around to constantly throw such hatred at them?
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On November 12 2010 13:56 .risingdragoon wrote:
I'm no bible expert, but none of those specifically calls for people to not marry interracial, they could be interpreted that way, or they could be interpreted as people of differing ideologies or historical conflict (Cannan) should not marry, or a very specific group should not marry outward. Leviticus 19:19 doesn't even have to be about marriage.
Except for Jeremiah 13:2 which cites Ethiopian directly, and says evil can't do good??? fucking weird.
You just don't give up do you? I guess stupidity knows no bounds.
Let's get back to your original argument...
If you're arguing who has it worse today, it doesn't matter why they have it worse. The fact that gays can't marry and racial groups can means that your position that "gays don't have it worse" is very bad one to take.
btw, I never said once said that racism and the black civil rights movement was smooth sailing lol.
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On November 12 2010 03:39 overt wrote:
They held a private prom without telling her. Like, some other parents put together money to rent some place out and held their own "prom" with the school being uninvolved (in response to Hawk on page 1). But yeah, this stuff happens a lot in the states it's not surprising that it happens at schools in other countries too.
I also love the people who think that private schools can do whatever the fuck they want. Like fire teachers who have sex outside of marriage, ban lesbians from attending their prom, or only accept white students. Just because it's a private school doesn't mean they can discriminate.
So the shouldn't be anything such as an all girls school then?
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I remember this. I'm pretty sure the reason the school said no was because it was a year 11 formal only and one of the girl's was in year 10. But instead of the girls just accepting this they claimed it was because they're lesbians and ran crying to the news networks.
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all girls schools make chicks go nuts.. they are either very slutty, very tomboyish or straight up lesbians.. all boys schools also fuck up guys. For me that kind of schools shouldn't exist.
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On November 12 2010 14:01 Masamune wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 13:56 .risingdragoon wrote:
I'm no bible expert, but none of those specifically calls for people to not marry interracial, they could be interpreted that way, or they could be interpreted as people of differing ideologies or historical conflict (Cannan) should not marry, or a very specific group should not marry outward. Leviticus 19:19 doesn't even have to be about marriage.
Except for Jeremiah 13:2 which cites Ethiopian directly, and says evil can't do good??? fucking weird.
You just don't give up do you? I guess stupidity knows no bounds. Let's get back to your original argument... If you're arguing who has it worse today, it doesn't matter why they have it worse. The fact that gays can't marry and racial groups can means that your position that "gays don't have it worse" is very bad one to take. btw, I never said once said that racism and the black civil rights movement was smooth sailing lol.
Get the fuck outta here.
Gays only want to marry cus they can't atm. I don't see not being married as having it that bad at all when everything else is hunky dory compare to what people had to put up with racism when nothing was. What, 3, maybe 4 more years? 6? Consider when the thing started it's moved remarkably quick. In the meantime are you living in a shack? No. Are you denied services? No. Are you a Nam vet trying to hail a cab to go home but no one would pick you up? No.
Gays don't have it as good, okay, but trying to compare it to racism where whole groups of people are annihilated, dealt poison of all kinds, treaties broken again and again... Trying to compare to that kinda intolerance? Get the fuck outta here.
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There are only losers not winners in the Oppression Olympics. Whether or not group A has/had it worse than group B is entirely irrelevant to the fact both group A and group B are getting fucked over.
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On November 12 2010 10:47 .risingdragoon wrote:
I don't personally give a shit about what people do with their lives.
I'm here to point out the ignorance that some of you youngins (most likely you are, cus you talk like one) think this world can be perfectly one way or another without any blemish whatsoever, to put a cap on your high ideals and bring you down to levels of realist, people who get shit done.
The way bigotry does damage is if it's condoned and carried by the socio-political climate of the day. That's what was being fought against, not the physical sitting in the back of the bus which is only a symbol. The gay movement has already crossed over that line, all that is left now is a buncha technicalities and conservative sentiment which time will fix, and it's better to ease into it over time than cram it down touchy people's throats.
Are you kidding? There's a stigma against gay people in most of society today, no idea what specific area you live. There's a reason that gay marriage gets rejected 90% of the time. Of course, you can argue that it's over marriage and not gays themselves, but the entire prop 8 movement in California focused on "protecting our traditional families" and "kids will actually be taught in school there is nothing wrong with homosexuals marrying!" For those who voted no on gay marriage simply because they disagree with the definition, then fine, but you'd be ignorant to suggest that was the literal reason people voted no on it and that there weren't other underlying notions.
And even if it did pass, and we had 50% of society approving, that still means 50% disapproves. And at the same time a lot of that 50% that approved were the actual homosexual community.
Concerning your bus argument, it has little to nothing to do with the "socio-political climate." It has to do with the legality of it. That's what the people are fighting for, minority rights, etc. A lot couldn't give a fuck what some individuals think as long as their rights (what they believe their rights are, at least) are not being legally infringed upon.
And to be frank, you were quite simply a dick. "get hte fuck outta here," blah blah "not worth your time," is completely useless comments in a forum discussion. Why it's even permitted is beyond me. Maybe people would respect your opinion more if you actually posted in a semi-respectable manner in these types of controversial topics. And if you don't care about being respected, there's no reason for you to be even posting in these types of topics in the first place on a Starcraft forum.
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On November 12 2010 14:24 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 14:01 Masamune wrote:On November 12 2010 13:56 .risingdragoon wrote:
I'm no bible expert, but none of those specifically calls for people to not marry interracial, they could be interpreted that way, or they could be interpreted as people of differing ideologies or historical conflict (Cannan) should not marry, or a very specific group should not marry outward. Leviticus 19:19 doesn't even have to be about marriage.
Except for Jeremiah 13:2 which cites Ethiopian directly, and says evil can't do good??? fucking weird.
You just don't give up do you? I guess stupidity knows no bounds. Let's get back to your original argument... If you're arguing who has it worse today, it doesn't matter why they have it worse. The fact that gays can't marry and racial groups can means that your position that "gays don't have it worse" is very bad one to take. btw, I never said once said that racism and the black civil rights movement was smooth sailing lol. Get the fuck outta here. Gays only want to marry cus they can't atm. I don't see not being married as having it that bad at all when everything else is hunky dory compare to what people had to put up with racism when nothing was.
That's not true at all.
Homosexuals are persecuted all the time.
Homosexuals are being ostracized to the point where they get depressed and commit suicide.
Married couples are granted hundreds of benefits and legal rights that gay couples aren't.
It's more than just saying "We're married".
And since homophobia is largely a religious belief, it's far LESS likely to go away quickly (since religion isn't going anywhere anytime soon).
So before you go around cursing people off, at least do a little research first.
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On November 12 2010 14:24 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 14:01 Masamune wrote:On November 12 2010 13:56 .risingdragoon wrote:
I'm no bible expert, but none of those specifically calls for people to not marry interracial, they could be interpreted that way, or they could be interpreted as people of differing ideologies or historical conflict (Cannan) should not marry, or a very specific group should not marry outward. Leviticus 19:19 doesn't even have to be about marriage.
Except for Jeremiah 13:2 which cites Ethiopian directly, and says evil can't do good??? fucking weird.
You just don't give up do you? I guess stupidity knows no bounds. Let's get back to your original argument... If you're arguing who has it worse today, it doesn't matter why they have it worse. The fact that gays can't marry and racial groups can means that your position that "gays don't have it worse" is very bad one to take. btw, I never said once said that racism and the black civil rights movement was smooth sailing lol. Get the fuck outta here. Gays only want to marry cus they can't atm. I don't see not being married as having it that bad at all when everything else is hunky dory compare to what people had to put up with racism when nothing was. What, 3, maybe 4 more years? 6? Consider when the thing started it's moved remarkably quick. In the meantime are you living in a shack? No. Are you denied services? No. Are you a Nam vet trying to hail a cab to go home but no one would pick you up? No. Gays don't have it as good, okay, but trying to compare it to racism where whole groups of people are annihilated, dealt poison of all kinds, treaties broken again and again... Trying to compare to that kinda intolerance? Get the fuck outta here.
haha you're not very smart are you?
In the meantime are you living in a shack? No. Are you denied services? No. Are you a Nam vet trying to hail a cab to go home but no one would pick you up? No.
uhhh minorities happen to be poorer because of socio-economic reasons, not because of racism. And gay people are denied services too, it's just harder to find cases of this because there are less gays than minorities and it's harder to tell who's gay than who's coloured.
Gays don't have it as good, okay, but trying to compare it to racism where whole groups of people are annihilated, dealt poison of all kinds, treaties broken again and again... Trying to compare to that kinda intolerance? Get the fuck outta here.
I recall you asking someone else to think critically, maybe you should follow your own advice. As you have already acknowledged before, gays are more conspicuous so it's harder to really target them with hate-crimes like it is for minorities. This DOES NOT mean they are treated better. I don't know how many times I have to drill this point through you thick skull.
Also, read some fucking books:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocaust
How about you get the fuck out of here instead of making yourself look dumber than you already are?
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On November 12 2010 14:24 .risingdragoon wrote:
Get the fuck outta here.
Gays only want to marry cus they can't atm. I don't see not being married as having it that bad at all when everything else is hunky dory compare to what people had to put up with racism when nothing was. What, 3, maybe 4 more years? 6? Consider when the thing started it's moved remarkably quick. In the meantime are you living in a shack? No. Are you denied services? No. Are you a Nam vet trying to hail a cab to go home but no one would pick you up? No.
Gays don't have it as good, okay, but trying to compare it to racism where whole groups of people are annihilated, dealt poison of all kinds, treaties broken again and again... Trying to compare to that kinda intolerance? Get the fuck outta here.
I assure you, they have better reasons for wanting to get married than "they can't atm".
I mean if you can't see the clear sociopolitical parallels maybe you actually are just actually plain incapable of understanding our point.
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I don't think your being fair to rising dragoon here, his argument is quite strong. If you go back and read his points he actually said "get the fuck outta here" not once, but twice.
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On November 12 2010 14:24 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 14:01 Masamune wrote:On November 12 2010 13:56 .risingdragoon wrote:
I'm no bible expert, but none of those specifically calls for people to not marry interracial, they could be interpreted that way, or they could be interpreted as people of differing ideologies or historical conflict (Cannan) should not marry, or a very specific group should not marry outward. Leviticus 19:19 doesn't even have to be about marriage.
Except for Jeremiah 13:2 which cites Ethiopian directly, and says evil can't do good??? fucking weird.
You just don't give up do you? I guess stupidity knows no bounds. Let's get back to your original argument... If you're arguing who has it worse today, it doesn't matter why they have it worse. The fact that gays can't marry and racial groups can means that your position that "gays don't have it worse" is very bad one to take. btw, I never said once said that racism and the black civil rights movement was smooth sailing lol. Get the fuck outta here. Gays only want to marry cus they can't atm. I don't see not being married as having it that bad at all when everything else is hunky dory compare to what people had to put up with racism when nothing was. What, 3, maybe 4 more years? 6? Consider when the thing started it's moved remarkably quick. In the meantime are you living in a shack? No. Are you denied services? No. Are you a Nam vet trying to hail a cab to go home but no one would pick you up? No. Gays don't have it as good, okay, but trying to compare it to racism where whole groups of people are annihilated, dealt poison of all kinds, treaties broken again and again... Trying to compare to that kinda intolerance? Get the fuck outta here.
Um i can assure you GLBT people do not want to marry only because they cant. We want to because of the same reasons everyone else wants to. As to your point about having it better today......
I am glad i live today, because i am currently not being thrown in a fire to be burned alive which is what they used to do to gay men or sent to a work camp during the holocaust, but im also being told that i can never have the same job security, that i cant love the person i want, that i cant serve my country in the military, and that i cant do what i want in public due to societal pressures.
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On November 12 2010 14:46 XeliN wrote:
I don't think your being fair to rising dragoon here, his argument is quite strong. If you go back and read his points he actually said "get the fuck outta here" not once, but twice.
qft
(just to officially use this acronym for the first time ever)
This thread has unfortunately started to degrade 
I'm thinking it'll take at least 1 full generation (if not 2) for homosexuality to be socially acceptable and fully-integrated into society. And it's a pity it'll take that long.
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Osaka27173 Posts
Keep it clean please. Last warning for everyone.
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