EPTPedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure - Page 4
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On November 11 2010 07:56 slappy wrote: free speach ftw let this book get published, let people buy it, and track every one of those kiddie loving motherfuckers and take them to jail you don't have to be a pedophile to buy the book. in fact it might be in your intellectual and academic interest to buy the book for a plethora of reasons. Don't let commonly accepted hatreds get in the way of reasoning! | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
pedophiles will be pedophiles and nothing can change that. they can read all the books they want as long as they don't do harm. the right approach will be for law enforcements to acquire this book and study it to better understand pedophiles and crimes related to them. should we ban movies with rape scenes and rap songs about killing people? how about a book titled "how to fly a plane into a building"? i understand people just jump to conclusions because of how they view pedophiles but it was no biggie hundreds of years ago and still no biggie in many parts of the world today. i find people who are boycotting amazon.com for this more idiotic. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:17 Telcontar wrote: Freedom of Speech or not, this book can very realistically encourage a closet pedophile to take action and prey on minors. Are the consequences worth it? Amazon seems to think so. This. It's irresponsible. Arts are one thing, but this book has no claim to artistic value. There is no situation where the knowledge in this book would be useful or provide some sort of positive result other than in directly causing harm to others in society. What the hell is wrong with people. There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about knowledge. Surgeons know how to cut people up, does that make them murderers? The CIA knows how to make time bombs and IDE's, does that make them terrorists? Nuclear physicists know how to make nuclear missiles, does that make them tyrants? It's inane to act like knowledge of something is commensurate with committing the act, and censoring this book would be tantamount to stating that. Get over the stupid indignation and realize that there is nothing wrong with knowing how to do something. Actually doing it is another matter entirely. By this logic, martial arts should all be banned because they teach people how to assault and batter other people. I've yet to see the martial art that consists of zero attacks. It's very limited to look at this saying well the acts are not equal, therefore we shouldn't do anything. It might not be raping a child, but can't people see with enough clarity that it does increase the danger of sexual abuse children face. All those forms of knowledge you provided have beneficial or productive uses to them in society, which is why the knowledge is positive. Where does that exist here? | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:13 _Darwin_ wrote: This one certainly encourages it. Like Mein Kampf encouraged the slaughter of Jews. Except the book description is This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certian rules for these adults to follow. I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter sentences should they ever be caught. In no way does that seem like it's telling me to go molest children. And Mein Kampf is perfectly available, and with less fuss. I don't see your point at all | ||
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frogmelter
United States971 Posts
Though it seems like something that might do more harm than good... | ||
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pHelix Equilibria
United States1134 Posts
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R A V
United States217 Posts
Also, people buy the Twilight books and I find those nearly as offensive. :< | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
Or can I read the Kindle edition on my computer? | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
Fortunately I dont think this book will cause any harm, and is probably written by someone who is living in a really deluded mind set if they found themselves in a situation where by this seemed like a good idea. If there's anything in it which does cause harm, then the author should be held accountable, although I can imagine with legal "safeguards" making that connection would be difficult.  But yeah, my original point was meant to be, freedom of speech or not, can anyone really imagine this selling one copy? | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:21 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Except the book description is This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certian rules for these adults to follow. I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter sentences should they ever be caught. ? Yes it's about making child rape "safer" for the children. It is openly encouraging child rape. In no way does that seem like it's telling me to go molest children. And Mein Kampf is perfectly available, and with less fuss. I don't see your point at all It's teaching pedophiles how to molest children "'responsibly". And Mein Kampf is still banned in Bavaria. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
If you think that such a freedom is not worthwhile and there are situations it ought not apply then by all means you have an argument. I strongly disagree with this however. | ||
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CheezDip
126 Posts
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:20 jinorazi wrote: to paraphrase franklin, "those who want freedom and security deserves none" You flipped the meaning, it's supposed to be "he who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither". | ||
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RaFeStaR
United States161 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:18 Seide wrote: Do you let your kids play video games? You better be careful, they might be shooting up a school soon. If this book encourages pedophilia, do video games encourage people to go shoot up schools? Your obvious answer is going to be no. Why does the answer turn to yes, just because the content is arguably more offensive. Being informed about how these people operate is good for the general public. Really? This isn't even fucking remotely close and your idiotic comment makes me want to rage. Video games don't come with a fucking manual on how you can achieve a school shooting. This book is a GUIDE...did you miss that part or are you just trying to be intelligent while looking like a mental midget? | ||
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BruceLee6783
United States196 Posts
What possible good can come from reading this book, other than helping to catch pedophiles based on common strategies a pedophile might use? | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
amazon also sells sex toys. does their cut of the dildo market make them aggressive gay apologists pushing for the homosexual agenda? of course not. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2551 Posts
Also, to everyone in this thread who sees fit to judge everything they see, think about this: if a book about worshiping pagan gods or satanism was published during the middle ages in Europe, the person would be burned at the stake. Now, no one gives two shits about pagan gods. Before getting offended at something, ask yourself: is it really worth getting all hot and bothered over? | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:21 ZapRoffo wrote: This. It's irresponsible. Arts are one thing, but this book has no claim to artistic value. There is no situation where the knowledge in this book would be useful or provide some sort of positive result other than in directly causing harm to others in society. It's very limited to look at this saying well the acts are not equal, therefore we shouldn't do anything. It might not be raping a child, but can't people see with enough clarity that it does increase the danger of sexual abuse children face. All those forms of knowledge you provided have beneficial or productive uses to them in society, which is why the knowledge is positive. Where does that exist here? Zap, you're suddenly an authority on what is beneficial to society and what constitutes art? Do you understand that it's a very slippery slope to start telling people what behaviors are good or bad? A few centuries ago it was considered unspeakably evil to question the Bible. Books of scientific inquiry were banned and their authors burned at the stake. There's a reason a good number of us agree with not censoring this book, and it has very little to do with supporting pedophilia. Maybe you should broaden your horizons and realize that just because at this present moment you and a portion of society think an act is wrong does not necessarily make it so. And the way our law works, precedents are extremely important. Banning this book would set a terrible precedent for the interpretation of censorship in America. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
While this book is disgusting, and no one should buy it, that doesn't mean the author doesn't have the right to free speech. We censor this book, then next we censor books about drugs, then we censor books that talk about drug addiction (see pretty much any rock n roll biography). Conservative people will in the end censor anything they don't agree with, this isn't hyperbole.... it happened for hundreds of years, all over the world. It happened in the US not too long ago where christian groups burned books, where they had control of the local school board they banned books from being taught in school (some places still do), local governments banned books out right. this is no different to people who are fundamentally opposed to porn, they have the same aversion to porn everyone sane has to paedolphilia. But ultimately, laws are arbitrary, if you live in the netherlands and other places in europe the age of consent is 14 and in some places as low as 12, the question is where do you draw the line by law. If this book doesn't violate any laws, then it should not be censored. Obviously, amazon should choose to not sell it, they shouldn't have to be forced. Thats how things are done in free countries, we choose to not do things because we believe they are wrong, not because someone else tells us to. If this book was deemed to be illegal, for whatever reason, and i suspect that if someone with a law degree read it they would be able to make a good case for it being aiding and abetting (spelt wrong?) paedophiles to abuse children, then hell yeah it should be banned outright..... but until that day, we have no right to censor it. Oh and those who mention Mein Kampf (or how ever its spelt lol), there is a legitimate intellectual reason for people to read that book. It isn't a hand guide to hate, its an insight into the mind of someone who was, despite being evil, a genius. Yes i said it, Hitler was, a genius.... totally insane and evil and wrong about alot of things.... but still a genius. That book is studied back to front in universities all over the world for a plethora of reasons. This book we are discussing might serve a purpose for helping to stop paedophilia, we do not know. But we do know that there are people who will buy it simply as a hand book, much like neo nazi's buy Mein Kampf as a guide book to hate. | ||
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