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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:36 ZapRoffo wrote: I'm saying I don't agree with the idea of freedom of speech applied carte blanche. ...You do realize that definitively conflicts with the idea of "free", right? Do you know what freedom is? | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:42 RaFeStaR wrote: That analogy isn't remotely fucking close, stop being an idiot. Have you actually looked at the content? Did you see the above post? People like you make me sick. Stop trying to be a rebel and get a grip. yes i have, jack ass. i too have an internet machine. and fascist little pigs like you make me sick. pull the knotted brown shirt out of your ass and get a grip. | ||
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jHERO
China167 Posts
LOLOLOL ... i hope they do | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:37 Seide wrote: Just because you cannot see the value beyond that is your own personal problem. Many others see value in having the general public informed about how criminals go about things. There are varying opinions on this, theres no clear right or wrong as seen from this thread. Free speech is partly designed to protect matierial in the situation of moral grey area. I believe in looking at it as a trade-off that we, reasonable people in a time of relative general political calm and lack of turmoil in western society, can evaluate. Is it worth standing up for the idea that we, as a society, might be suppressing the idea of pedophilia that will one day be revealed as a practice or idea that has value to everyone, when doing so might contribute to the harm of the helpless here and now? My answer is that at this time it's not worth it. OK then I don't agree with "free speech" if that's how you all want to interpret it. Living in society we sacrifice freedoms, that's a given no matter how much you want to deny it. I guess everyone is against freedom? | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:43 Krigwin wrote: ...You do realize that definitively conflicts with the idea of "free", right? Do you know what freedom is? I'm sorry to disappoint, but there are already limits on "free" speech. The prominent example is that you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded building. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On November 11 2010 07:53 mahnini wrote: did you read it? from the title and description it doesn't sound like that to me. On November 11 2010 08:41 Krigwin wrote: Wait, what? According to the description the book is apparently about how to make "situations", by which I assume the author means relationships and intercourse, between adults and children safer for the children. How does it teach the reader to avoid getting caught? Read the book samples I updated the first post with. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
a "fine" view to have, but I would advise taking the word "freedom" out of it. | ||
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shwaffles
United States117 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:44 pfods wrote: yes i have, jack ass. i too have an internet machine. and fascist little pigs like you make me sick. pull the knotted brown shirt out of your ass and get a grip. Wtf man... Getting all raged and everything, if you said something along the lines of "a book about constructing bombs" it would've been a good "analogy" (<- ty for this). | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:45 EchOne wrote: The same knowledge used to advance evil can also be used to thwart it. If a monitored sex offender actually attempts to use this knowledge to commit crimes, the officer(s) watching him can more ably preempt him when armed with this knowledge. I'm not sure that an officer knowing that a latex finger coit is more fitting for an underage boy's penis than a regular condom will aid in arresting the rapist. | ||
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RaFeStaR
United States161 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:44 pfods wrote: yes i have, jack ass. i too have an internet machine. and fascist little pigs like you make me sick. pull the knotted brown shirt out of your ass and get a grip. Lol? If by fascist you mean a loving parent then sure, you got me! Get a clue~ | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
So who cares whether or not this book exists. Stopping its production ultimately does nothing but publicize it more. We are in an age where censorship just isn't possible anymore. Book might make for a funny gag gift though with Christmas coming up, who knows? | ||
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:36 StorkHwaiting wrote: Selling guns and missiles and helicopters to Pakistan and African warlords doesn't hurt anyone either, right? It's good the US doesn't do anything like that. Not like rape, pedophilia, or child soldiers happens in those countries we're selling weapons to either! A bunch of people here getting all hot and bothered and disgusted with this book. I wonder how active they are in protesting the US propping up regimes that preserve cultures that are okay with all of the above crimes against humanity. And this is a thing people mix up. A gun is not an opinion or a book. It's a gun. You kill people with it. And it is gennerally accepted that any human has a right to live and that killing eachother should be avoided as much as possible. You don't have a freedom to bare arms as a result of freedom of speech or freedom of living. >__> | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:46 XeliN wrote: Zap so your saying freedom of speech only applies to ideas that have potential to be universally valuable as well as not cause potential harm in the present? a "fine" view to have, but I would advise taking the word "freedom" out of it. I never said universally valuable, I just say can be construed in some way to have some value that reasonable people can recognize (very broad). | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:47 _Darwin_ wrote: I'm not sure that an officer knowing that a latex finger coit is more fitting for an underage boy's penis than a regular condom will aid in arresting the rapist. If you catch a dude buying a box full of finger coits and hanging around the playground every day, I'd say that's a pretty good lead. | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:47 RaFeStaR wrote: Lol? If by fascist you mean a loving parent then sure, you got me! Get a clue~ no by fascist i mean someone who thinks they know what should and should not be censored based upon their little cry baby sensibilities. if you're worried about your child being raped, keep a better eye on them. this book certainly isn't going to be the cause. | ||
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:45 _Darwin_ wrote: I'm sorry to disappoint, but there are already limits on "free" speech. The prominent example is that you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded building. Life goes before freedom :D it's a walk of balance. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:45 _Darwin_ wrote: I'm sorry to disappoint, but there are already limits on "free" speech. The prominent example is that you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded building. Yes because they made a law saying you couldn't. And saying Fire in a crowded building isn't what many would deem as free speech, it is deemed to be enciting panic and this against the law. Its only a free speech issue if the word fire was banned altogether, or becuase it is simply deemed offensive. Next argument someone will make is you can't swear at police..... again thats not because you don't have the right to express those emotions, its because its deemed to be abuse and it is against the law to be abusive to a police officer, or infact its simply against the law to swear loudly and repeatedly in public period. That one is called disturbing the peace. | ||
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