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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:27 CheezDip wrote: Freedom of speech exists to protect unpopular ideas. Popular ideas don't need protection. I don't understand why ideas that have no value beyond harming those in helpless positions (something that has been demonstrably shown and is accepted worldwide) should be protected? | ||
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shwaffles
United States117 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:28 pfods wrote: i like everyone losing their collective shit over this. this book does not make people commit pedophilia, therefor it doesn't go against any law. amazon also sells sex toys. does their cut of the dildo market make them aggressive gay apologists pushing for the homosexual agenda? of course not. Expect that not many gays are child-rapists or rapists in general, and selling sex toys to gays doesn't harm anyone. | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:32 ZapRoffo wrote: I don't understand why ideas that have no value beyond harming those in helpless positions (something that has been demonstrably shown and is accepted worldwide) should be protected? Since when must a book serve a greater good to be protected by freedom of speech? | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:28 pfods wrote: amazon also sells sex toys. does their cut of the dildo market make them aggressive gay apologists pushing for the homosexual agenda? of course not. I don't think the argument is that amazon is now a pedophilia apologist... You must have gotten lost along the way. | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:32 shwaffles wrote: Expect that not not many gays are child-rapists or rapists in general, and selling sex toys to gays doesn't harm anyone. the point is, because they sell something does not mean they necessarily support or condone it, legally or personally. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:34 Gigaudas wrote: Since when must a book serve a greater good to be protected by freedom of speech? I'm saying I don't agree with the idea of freedom of speech applied carte blanche. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:32 shwaffles wrote: Expect that not not many gays are child-rapists or rapists in general, and selling sex toys to gays doesn't harm anyone. Selling guns and missiles and helicopters to Pakistan and African warlords doesn't hurt anyone either, right? It's good the US doesn't do anything like that. Not like rape, pedophilia, or child soldiers happens in those countries we're selling weapons to either! A bunch of people here getting all hot and bothered and disgusted with this book. I wonder how active they are in protesting the US propping up regimes that preserve cultures that are okay with all of the above crimes against humanity. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:34 Gigaudas wrote: Since when must a book serve a greater good to be protected by freedom of speech? when ignorant and hateful people come to power | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:32 ZapRoffo wrote: I don't understand why ideas that have no value beyond harming those in helpless positions (something that has been demonstrably shown and is accepted worldwide) should be protected? Just because you cannot see the value beyond that is your own personal problem. Many others see value in having the general public informed about how criminals go about things. There are varying opinions on this, theres no clear right or wrong as seen from this thread. Free speech is partly designed to protect matierial in the situation of moral grey area. | ||
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Simplistik
2173 Posts
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
![[image loading]](http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/am1.jpg) [...] ![[image loading]](http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/am2.jpg) http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/10/amazon-defends-pedophile-how-to-guide/ | ||
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wollhandkrabbe
Germany97 Posts
Has anyone who rages here in this thread actually read the book? I'd imagine the content is rather boring and the author/publisher just trusts in the hype the title/reviews will generate to sell it. | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:34 _Darwin_ wrote: I don't think the argument is that amazon is now a pedophilia apologist... You must have gotten lost along the way. right over your head. the point was amazon isn't condoning the act of pedophilia by selling this, just like selling sex toys does not mean they support whatever weird agenda people would surely like to invent for them. because they don't condone it, support it, what have you they aren't breaking any law. so they can sell this book if they want, legally. | ||
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shwaffles
United States117 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:36 pfods wrote: the point is, because they sell something does not mean they necessarily support or condone it, legally or personally. I don't oppose the sale of this book (as disgusting as it is), its just that his metaphor was terrible. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote: There's a book selling online on Amazon.com that is creating a lot of polemic. "Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure" have already got over 600 one-star reviews. The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. Wait, what? According to the description the book is apparently about how to make "situations", by which I assume the author means relationships and intercourse, between adults and children safer for the children. How does it teach the reader to avoid getting caught? | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:36 ZapRoffo wrote: I'm saying I don't agree with the idea of freedom of speech applied carte blanche. then you have misunderstood the term "free speech". You can't want free speech, except when its something people don't agree with.... thats the opposite of free speech | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:39 shwaffles wrote: I don't oppose the sale of this book (as disgusting as it is), its just that his metaphor was terrible. you mean analogy, right? and the analogy works fine. you're just a sensationalist and made assumptions about this book and it's intentions, and are now basing everything you say about it on those assumptions. | ||
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
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RaFeStaR
United States161 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:41 pfods wrote: you mean analogy, right? and the analogy works fine. you're just a sensationalist and made assumptions about this book and it's intentions, and are now basing everything you say about it on those assumptions. That analogy isn't remotely fucking close, stop being an idiot. Have you actually looked at the content? Did you see the above post? People like you make me sick. Stop trying to be a rebel and get a grip. | ||
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Kletus
Canada580 Posts
http://www.amazon.com/Stealing-Network-How-Own-Identity/dp/1597490067/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1289432434&sr=1-5 Knock yourselves out. Really though, these are pretty good books for any IT/Programming/etc junkie  | ||
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