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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18265 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-03 11:05:41
February 03 2017 11:03 GMT
#16661
On February 03 2017 19:04 Askelad wrote:
Well I don't know any other tool to do scientific computing, except FORTRAN, and I really don't think FORTRAN will solve any of my issues (but maybe I'm wrong). I mean Python or Matlab or whatever are great for small size tests and prototypes but they are way too slow to use with full data :'(

You think you can program something faster than matlab? :O

Scientific computing is a rather broad term, so maybe your specific problem cannot be reduced to a load of matrix operations, but almost every problem I know of can be solved faster in Matlab than in something cobbled together in C++.

Hell, most problems can be solved faster in Python or R, which are significantly less optimized than Matlab, than in something you put together yourself in C++. Especially as they rely on the same libraries (libblas and libatlas) which are written in C and are the most heavily optimized (fee) libraries for linear algebra in existence. They are also relatively bugfree.

Main reason to step away from Matlab I can think of, is to use GPUs. A friend of mine works on GPU algorithms for scientific computing and I think he does use C++. Is that what you're doing?
Askelad
Profile Joined October 2016
France20 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-18 17:51:54
February 03 2017 11:36 GMT
#16662
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18265 Posts
February 03 2017 12:02 GMT
#16663
Yeah, the price is of course quite shocking, but I assumed you have a university license, of your company pays for it. If it's for a hobby project at home, then yeah, the price of Matlab is a very valid concern :p

I don't know much about image segmentation, but everybody I know who works on computer vision swears by Matlab. Especially as images are basically just big matrices.

Matlab is better at loops than it used to be, but it's still not really optimized for them. Generally speaking, you want to write everything you possibly can as a vector (or matrix). It's usually a different way of thinking about the problem, though.


Have you looked at Matlab's optimization toolbox?
Askelad
Profile Joined October 2016
France20 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-18 17:50:09
February 03 2017 12:19 GMT
#16664
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Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-03 14:32:01
February 03 2017 14:31 GMT
#16665
There is also octave, a free alternative to Matlab. It is slower but was enough for the computer vision course i took
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 03 2017 16:13 GMT
#16666
speaking of matlab, I have to use it for my linear algebra class

they don't seem to be interested in teaching us to use it at all, though
guess it will be useful to have some experience with it though
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18265 Posts
February 03 2017 16:20 GMT
#16667
On February 04 2017 01:13 travis wrote:
speaking of matlab, I have to use it for my linear algebra class

they don't seem to be interested in teaching us to use it at all, though
guess it will be useful to have some experience with it though

Seems sensible enough. Your linear algebra class is there to teach you linear algebra. Not how to use matlab. A large part of university is (should be) learning how to figure shit out for yourself. Grab a book/tutorial and work through what you need to know. Matlab is pretty easy (as evidenced by all the biologists and physicists who have figured out how to use it ) for a complex mathematical package.
Askelad
Profile Joined October 2016
France20 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-18 17:49:55
February 03 2017 17:08 GMT
#16668
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Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-03 17:47:50
February 03 2017 17:47 GMT
#16669
On February 03 2017 21:19 Askelad wrote:
-The fact that for this project I work on 3D images means that most existing image-processing code (Matlab or C++ or else) is not usable (even when the algorithm would not be conceptually different at all!)


ITK? Combined with VTK / OpenCV that should cover basically all your segmentation / image processing needs.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 03 2017 21:39 GMT
#16670
having trouble understanding something in my discrete structures course



question is, for which set D is this true: for all x in D[there exists a y in D ( x < y)]

1.) real numbers
2.) integers
3.) rational numbers
4.) natural numbers


I am confused by the question because isn't the answer just "any of them" ?

Can't you just say that for every x, y = x +1
and do that for real numbers, for integers, for rational numbers, and for natural numbers ?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18265 Posts
February 03 2017 21:49 GMT
#16671
Yes?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 03 2017 21:53 GMT
#16672
okay good. it just seemed like a stupid question and I wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy or missing something obvious
Askelad
Profile Joined October 2016
France20 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-18 17:49:42
February 03 2017 22:04 GMT
#16673
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19203 Posts
February 04 2017 15:10 GMT
#16674
integers, rational, and natural numbers are all also real numbers, so the answer is 1
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phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
February 04 2017 19:27 GMT
#16675
On February 05 2017 00:10 tofucake wrote:
integers, rational, and natural numbers are all also real numbers, so the answer is 1

All of them are correct, not just 1. It is true that for all integer numbers, there exists a bigger number.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
February 04 2017 23:34 GMT
#16676
On February 05 2017 04:27 phar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2017 00:10 tofucake wrote:
integers, rational, and natural numbers are all also real numbers, so the answer is 1

All of them are correct, not just 1. It is true that for all integer numbers, there exists a bigger number.


Isn't "real numbers" equivalent to "all of options below" in that question? In that case, I agree with tofucake.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-04 23:40:52
February 04 2017 23:40 GMT
#16677
Is it asking for one answer or an answer for each of the four sets of numbers? I have a strong dislike for questions where answers are correct, but one of them is more correct than the others.
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slmw
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Finland233 Posts
February 05 2017 01:05 GMT
#16678
But they're all equally correct in this case?! Tofucake's answer makes no sense.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-05 01:33:02
February 05 2017 01:14 GMT
#16679
On February 05 2017 10:05 slmw wrote:
But they're all equally correct in this case?! Tofucake's answer makes no sense.


No, they're not. It also depends if you should have one selection only. In that case, you cannot select more than one of them. However, even if you can, real numbers is more correct because it includes irrational numbers. I think irrational numbers still satisfy requirement in that question.

Real numbers = natural numbers + integers + rational numbers + irrational numbers.

Edit: It's a tricky question because you might not think of irrational numbers at all.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 05 2017 03:17 GMT
#16680
since it (understandably) turned into a semantics argument, I'll let everyone know that I selected all of the options and got the answer correct.
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