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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19031 Posts
November 22 2020 01:59 GMT
#20501
put four fingers on the touch pad and move them outwards.

I rarely do it but that's the "shortcut" or whatever
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 22 2020 17:51 GMT
#20502
On November 22 2020 10:52 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2020 02:52 tofucake wrote:
On November 21 2020 22:51 WombaT wrote:
The explode view is 100% ez, I just can’t remember how to do it or what it’s called. From bitter experience as I rebound my left function and left alt to the various switching window things and then was in hospital for so long I forgot how to undo it when I got out.

on the touch pad it's 4 fingers moving out


WTF man. I'm a caveman with this stuff and I have no idea what "4 fingers moving out on the touchpad" means as touchpad is an atrocity for me and I avoid touching it as much as I can.


Also 3 finger swipe up will give you exactly what you want
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17971 Posts
November 22 2020 22:44 GMT
#20503
On November 22 2020 10:59 tofucake wrote:
put four fingers on the touch pad and move them outwards.

I rarely do it but that's the "shortcut" or whatever

Yeah, when I had a mac, I refused to learn any of these fancy "shortcuts", and the inverted return key also drove me stark staring mad.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25047 Posts
November 22 2020 23:49 GMT
#20504
Control and up on the arrow keys should work, or at least that’s what mine is mapped to. Not sure if default though.

Go to system preferences and Mission Control and change those to your preference. Granted the rebind options aren’t amazing
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16679 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-23 17:56:53
November 23 2020 02:25 GMT
#20505
On November 20 2020 04:17 WombaT wrote:
My ‘how the fuck?’ more springs from confusion and exasperation than any kind of surprise, although I usually reserve it for HR departments

fuck HR. if you are a software developer... business analysts, project managers and CIOs are your pathways to project, job, career, and life satisfaction. All HR can do is say "no". I view HR like the cops. Never say one word to them... ever.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria818 Posts
November 23 2020 22:37 GMT
#20506
On November 23 2020 11:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2020 04:17 WombaT wrote:
My ‘how the fuck?’ more springs from confusion and exasperation than any kind of surprise, although I usually reserve it for HR departments

fuck HR. if you are a software developer... business analysts, project managers and CIOs are your pathways to project, job, career, and life satisfaction. All HR can do is say "no". I view HR like the cops. Never say one word to them... ever.


Maybe in your country? I find HR interviews pretty easy to pass, but technical ones are trickier. Most HRs don't know enough technically to catch you, so as long as you have common sense, I think you should be fine.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17971 Posts
November 23 2020 23:01 GMT
#20507
On November 24 2020 07:37 SC-Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2020 11:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On November 20 2020 04:17 WombaT wrote:
My ‘how the fuck?’ more springs from confusion and exasperation than any kind of surprise, although I usually reserve it for HR departments

fuck HR. if you are a software developer... business analysts, project managers and CIOs are your pathways to project, job, career, and life satisfaction. All HR can do is say "no". I view HR like the cops. Never say one word to them... ever.


Maybe in your country? I find HR interviews pretty easy to pass, but technical ones are trickier. Most HRs don't know enough technically to catch you, so as long as you have common sense, I think you should be fine.

I don't think he's talking about job interviews, but about HR divisions in big companies who you have to ask for permission to go to the toilet.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25047 Posts
November 24 2020 00:06 GMT
#20508
On November 24 2020 08:01 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2020 07:37 SC-Shield wrote:
On November 23 2020 11:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On November 20 2020 04:17 WombaT wrote:
My ‘how the fuck?’ more springs from confusion and exasperation than any kind of surprise, although I usually reserve it for HR departments

fuck HR. if you are a software developer... business analysts, project managers and CIOs are your pathways to project, job, career, and life satisfaction. All HR can do is say "no". I view HR like the cops. Never say one word to them... ever.


Maybe in your country? I find HR interviews pretty easy to pass, but technical ones are trickier. Most HRs don't know enough technically to catch you, so as long as you have common sense, I think you should be fine.

I don't think he's talking about job interviews, but about HR divisions in big companies who you have to ask for permission to go to the toilet.

It’s doubly aggravating because I couldn’t get admin/HR jobs for love nor money, and said individuals routinely fuck me through gross incompetence that blows my fucking mind.

A personal highlight being told when I came back from a year’s sick leave by the personnel manager that she’d lost all my notes and stuff and I’d have to submit evidence, have a discussion about my illness etc all over again.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16679 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-24 15:59:29
November 24 2020 15:55 GMT
#20509
On November 24 2020 07:37 SC-Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2020 11:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On November 20 2020 04:17 WombaT wrote:
My ‘how the fuck?’ more springs from confusion and exasperation than any kind of surprise, although I usually reserve it for HR departments

fuck HR. if you are a software developer... business analysts, project managers and CIOs are your pathways to project, job, career, and life satisfaction. All HR can do is say "no". I view HR like the cops. Never say one word to them... ever.


Maybe in your country? I find HR interviews pretty easy to pass, but technical ones are trickier. Most HRs don't know enough technically to catch you, so as long as you have common sense, I think you should be fine.

ah ok.

it is similar here. Generally speaking, HR is not a barrier regarding the technical competence of candidates in North America. HR makes up BS reasons not to hire perfectly good people. Its great for me. I'm a hired gun. When a company's hiring process screws up ... I'm part of the rescue squad.

Also, HR are filled with "double agents" who pretend to be the workers friends while building a case against them. They dig up stuff they can use against you five years later.

I get work from BA's, project managers , and CIO for whom I've worked over the past ten years. I work directly with them so they see directly what I am accomplishing. No one in HR ever sees what I am doing or ever calls me up when they need help rescuing a software project that is in trouble.

On November 24 2020 09:06 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2020 08:01 Acrofales wrote:
On November 24 2020 07:37 SC-Shield wrote:
On November 23 2020 11:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On November 20 2020 04:17 WombaT wrote:
My ‘how the fuck?’ more springs from confusion and exasperation than any kind of surprise, although I usually reserve it for HR departments

fuck HR. if you are a software developer... business analysts, project managers and CIOs are your pathways to project, job, career, and life satisfaction. All HR can do is say "no". I view HR like the cops. Never say one word to them... ever.


Maybe in your country? I find HR interviews pretty easy to pass, but technical ones are trickier. Most HRs don't know enough technically to catch you, so as long as you have common sense, I think you should be fine.

I don't think he's talking about job interviews, but about HR divisions in big companies who you have to ask for permission to go to the toilet.

It’s doubly aggravating because I couldn’t get admin/HR jobs for love nor money, and said individuals routinely fuck me through gross incompetence that blows my fucking mind.

A personal highlight being told when I came back from a year’s sick leave by the personnel manager that she’d lost all my notes and stuff and I’d have to submit evidence, have a discussion about my illness etc all over again.

I still keep in touch with Business Analysts I worked with ten years ago. They have been promoted to higher positions and they keep feeding me work.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17244 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-24 16:01:22
November 24 2020 15:59 GMT
#20510
In other news, my predictions were correct and I will now be working with Rust and AWS lambda, which is great. What is not as great is that the company has kinda strange worklfow where most of the time you're coding with cpairs and git-duet in vim on a virtual machine.

And for a bit of fun:
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
November 24 2020 16:26 GMT
#20511
Never have been asked FizzBuzz in an interview. Do people really care that much about being shown "correct" solution.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 24 2020 16:46 GMT
#20512
On November 25 2020 01:26 Silvanel wrote:
Never have been asked FizzBuzz in an interview. Do people really care that much about being shown "correct" solution.


I've done entry level interviews and we did FizzBuzz and some other very basic problems. I would say it's more of a do this so I know I'm not wasting my time talking to you than an actual exercise. If you can't write fizzbuzz in 5 minutes then I can end the interview and move on with real work. I'd say at least half the applicants can't write it so this saves me a lot of time.

A lot of people get the mod 15 part wrong the first time by having the logic in an if/else after the mod 3 so it never executes, but seeing how you react to it being wrong and your ability to talk through debugging is often more interesting than the candidate doing it correctly.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19031 Posts
November 24 2020 18:32 GMT
#20513
You don't even need to use mod 15, but there are like 5000 ways to do FizzBuzz so it's mostly used as another check for resume BS and for seeing how applicants approach solving a simple problem
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
November 24 2020 18:54 GMT
#20514
By "correct" i meant the most efficient (or close to most efficient) solution in given language. I remmber that cousin of mine got similiar question in his C++ interview. And he went with some answer involving modulo, then he was asked to find other one and afterwards another. The way he described it to me it was obvious that interviewer was looking for a very specific solution to the problem.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-24 19:27:31
November 24 2020 19:14 GMT
#20515
On November 25 2020 03:54 Silvanel wrote:
By "correct" i meant the most efficient (or close to most efficient) solution in given language. I remmber that cousin of mine got similiar question in his C++ interview. And he went with some answer involving modulo, then he was asked to find other one and afterwards another. The way he described it to me it was obvious that interviewer was looking for a very specific solution to the problem.


I have interviewed at places like that. It is a good signal to not work there in my opinion.

I've had someone implement FizzBuzz with a LinkedList before and he was not hired, but unless your solution is completely degenerate i don't care how you do it. It is more about process and you being able to talk about your thought process. The people who want a specific solution have no idea what they're doing and you don't want to work there.

If you're a principal engineer or an architect or some other high level design position I can understand that level of detail, but if you're expecting a perfect solution from an entry or junior level resource...
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25047 Posts
November 24 2020 19:33 GMT
#20516
On November 25 2020 01:26 Silvanel wrote:
Never have been asked FizzBuzz in an interview. Do people really care that much about being shown "correct" solution.

I’m unsure as per real industry, have an interview on Thursday for a summer job/my third year school placement based on a problem set which was relatively similar to Fizzbuzz now you folks mention it. Got quite lucky, friend got a trickier one by far.

It seems the kind of thing useful when sifting through novices for placements attached to colleges and see who can just regurgitate other’s code vs those with at least some basic problem-solving abilities.

Beyond that kind of gig I can’t see it being useful as an interview question for competent programmers, but perhaps it helps to weed out the truly incompetent?

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
November 24 2020 21:40 GMT
#20517
I've had a good interview experience with FizzBuzz where they started with regular FizzBuzz, expanded it into testing scenarios, making the answer more efficient(I used a HashMap), work for indeterminably large numbers, etc. It was a pretty interesting problem. If places are just asking for FizzBuzz itself I don't think that's a good sign.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17244 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-26 17:39:57
November 25 2020 20:47 GMT
#20518
If you want some more crazy fizzbuzz stuff:



Edit: BTW, this guy is nuts. In another of his talks he's using functional stuff in JavaScript to explain object orientation in languages from the 60's (Algol et al) to C++ developers. My mind exploded.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17971 Posts
November 26 2020 08:31 GMT
#20519
On November 25 2020 04:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2020 03:54 Silvanel wrote:
By "correct" i meant the most efficient (or close to most efficient) solution in given language. I remmber that cousin of mine got similiar question in his C++ interview. And he went with some answer involving modulo, then he was asked to find other one and afterwards another. The way he described it to me it was obvious that interviewer was looking for a very specific solution to the problem.


I have interviewed at places like that. It is a good signal to not work there in my opinion.

I've had someone implement FizzBuzz with a LinkedList before and he was not hired, but unless your solution is completely degenerate i don't care how you do it. It is more about process and you being able to talk about your thought process. The people who want a specific solution have no idea what they're doing and you don't want to work there.

If you're a principal engineer or an architect or some other high level design position I can understand that level of detail, but if you're expecting a perfect solution from an entry or junior level resource...

If at principal engineer level you are being asked to solve fizz buzz in an interview, I'd just walk out :'D
JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
December 03 2020 07:15 GMT
#20520
Idk if this is really the spot for it but I don't want to make a new thread and my google-fu is failing me.

I have an excel spreadsheet that I use to track my debt. I have it set up to add the column up and when I add a month I can just drag the cell over and it puts the sum equation under the new column.

What I want to do is put a cell under that takes the sum above and subtracts it from the cell to its left. The equation is obviously easy enough but I can't just drag it over like I do with the sum when I add a new month. What am I missing?

Thanks for any help and sorry it's not a more interesting problem like you all normally discuss :D
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