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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 19 2020 15:16 GMT
#20481
Among everything I did at university, I'm pretty sure that everything around proofs was the most important stuff. So that was mostly Math. Actual CS was meh.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16679 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-19 18:40:20
November 19 2020 18:29 GMT
#20482
On November 19 2020 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
Lazy devs. Devs that think they're super clever when they're not and are trying super hard to create code that only smart people like them will understand. And devs that perhaps think that if they write unintelligible spaghetti code they will become indispensable and they'll be able to work on it for years on end. Beats me.

I call that 'turf protecting'. I prefer to constantly expand my turf so if i lose some of it.. who cares. Developers that do that crap have self confidence issues. If you are reliable, hard-working, know how to play the game of internal political BS while having only average talent ... there will always be a spot for you.

The more talented you are.. the more you can fuck around and get away with it.
On November 19 2020 21:00 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2020 19:53 Manit0u wrote:
The loops with exception control flow was a piece of software written in Java and used by national airlines...

I have some PHP horror stories too if you want

I've seen a 30k lines of code class being extended several times and each class that extended it had 15-30k lines of code and was itself extended by similarly large classes, each calling parent's constructor at different points in their own constructors.

I've had to reverse engineer 5k lines of code script written by non-programmer that was full of global variables that stored data in arrays that were being manipulated, reversed and overridden in multiple nested loops etc. etc.

Hey at least that gave you something to do.

How the fuck do such things happen haha?

I notice you are changing careers.. so this is an honest respectful question sir..
Have you ever worked in an IT department before? Do you know someone who has?
i guess not?

Dude, most IT departments could start their own puppy farm with the amount of dog-fucking that goes on.

For about 30% of the year when I'm in hermit-coder-mode I produce a lot and I learn a lot. For a good portion of the other 70%... I'm just dicking around. Like right now.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25019 Posts
November 19 2020 19:17 GMT
#20483
On November 20 2020 03:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2020 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
Lazy devs. Devs that think they're super clever when they're not and are trying super hard to create code that only smart people like them will understand. And devs that perhaps think that if they write unintelligible spaghetti code they will become indispensable and they'll be able to work on it for years on end. Beats me.

I call that 'turf protecting'. I prefer to constantly expand my turf so if i lose some of it.. who cares. Developers that do that crap have self confidence issues. If you are reliable, hard-working, know how to play the game of internal political BS while having only average talent ... there will always be a spot for you.

The more talented you are.. the more you can fuck around and get away with it.
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2020 21:00 WombaT wrote:
On November 19 2020 19:53 Manit0u wrote:
The loops with exception control flow was a piece of software written in Java and used by national airlines...

I have some PHP horror stories too if you want

I've seen a 30k lines of code class being extended several times and each class that extended it had 15-30k lines of code and was itself extended by similarly large classes, each calling parent's constructor at different points in their own constructors.

I've had to reverse engineer 5k lines of code script written by non-programmer that was full of global variables that stored data in arrays that were being manipulated, reversed and overridden in multiple nested loops etc. etc.

Hey at least that gave you something to do.

How the fuck do such things happen haha?

I notice you are changing careers.. so this is an honest respectful question sir..
Have you ever worked in an IT department before? Do you know someone who has?
i guess not?

Dude, most IT departments could start their own puppy farm with the amount of dog-fucking that goes on.

For about 30% of the year when I'm in hermit-coder-mode I produce a lot and I learn a lot. For a good portion of the other 70%... I'm just dicking around. Like right now.

Most of my close friends are software engineers, actually was them that thought it would suit my particular brain and got me pondering the option. Won’t go into the dear diary aspects of why I’m rather underemployed mind, depressing enough held in my brain never mind shared.

My ‘how the fuck?’ more springs from confusion and exasperation than any kind of surprise, although I usually reserve it for HR departments
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
November 20 2020 01:46 GMT
#20484
There is some terrible code out there. I had the misfortune of looking into some of Informatica's Java at one point. It was multiple 5 layer loops with go-tos and breaks throughout in a ~1000 line function. I had hoped to debug why something was failing. Instead I immediately turned and left, knowing I was facing a madness no mortal mind could comprehend.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17243 Posts
November 20 2020 19:22 GMT
#20485
Geez. I've barely finished setting up my corp macbook and I already hate this thing. How can anyone work with this pile of junk? Keys are in the wrong places, getting anything installed or configured is a pain in the ass and there's no easy way to view all the open windows at once. Nightmare.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25019 Posts
November 20 2020 19:25 GMT
#20486
On November 20 2020 10:46 WarSame wrote:
There is some terrible code out there. I had the misfortune of looking into some of Informatica's Java at one point. It was multiple 5 layer loops with go-tos and breaks throughout in a ~1000 line function. I had hoped to debug why something was failing. Instead I immediately turned and left, knowing I was facing a madness no mortal mind could comprehend.

Lovecraftian code haha, to gaze at it is to stare into incomprehensible higher planes of horror.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19029 Posts
November 20 2020 20:45 GMT
#20487
On November 21 2020 04:22 Manit0u wrote:
Geez. I've barely finished setting up my corp macbook and I already hate this thing. How can anyone work with this pile of junk? Keys are in the wrong places, getting anything installed or configured is a pain in the ass and there's no easy way to view all the open windows at once. Nightmare.

avoid brew, it's only caused me headaches
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17243 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-20 21:21:00
November 20 2020 21:19 GMT
#20488
I need brew since I'll mostly be working with vim, tmux and other tools that are not very macky... The biggest pain for me is super weird keyboard with buttons in the wrong places and in wrong shapes - muscle memory makes it so hard.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
November 21 2020 03:18 GMT
#20489
On November 21 2020 04:25 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2020 10:46 WarSame wrote:
There is some terrible code out there. I had the misfortune of looking into some of Informatica's Java at one point. It was multiple 5 layer loops with go-tos and breaks throughout in a ~1000 line function. I had hoped to debug why something was failing. Instead I immediately turned and left, knowing I was facing a madness no mortal mind could comprehend.

Lovecraftian code haha, to gaze at it is to stare into incomprehensible higher planes of horror.

Exactly! The good news is that the coders will sometimes put warning comments above their function, which is kind of like ancient seals on eldritch tomes.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17243 Posts
November 21 2020 03:36 GMT
#20490
On November 21 2020 12:18 WarSame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2020 04:25 WombaT wrote:
On November 20 2020 10:46 WarSame wrote:
There is some terrible code out there. I had the misfortune of looking into some of Informatica's Java at one point. It was multiple 5 layer loops with go-tos and breaks throughout in a ~1000 line function. I had hoped to debug why something was failing. Instead I immediately turned and left, knowing I was facing a madness no mortal mind could comprehend.

Lovecraftian code haha, to gaze at it is to stare into incomprehensible higher planes of horror.

Exactly! The good news is that the coders will sometimes put warning comments above their function, which is kind of like ancient seals on eldritch tomes.


Like the famous comment that a guy left in one of Erlang's modules (it was the only comment in the entire codebase there): "And now for the tricky bit..."
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria818 Posts
November 21 2020 10:25 GMT
#20491
On November 21 2020 06:19 Manit0u wrote:
I need brew since I'll mostly be working with vim, tmux and other tools that are not very macky... The biggest pain for me is super weird keyboard with buttons in the wrong places and in wrong shapes - muscle memory makes it so hard.


Make sure to remove the "natural scrolling" option in the Mouse settings. That was so confusing coming from a Windows background. You scroll up but it goes down on the page.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25019 Posts
November 21 2020 11:37 GMT
#20492
On November 21 2020 19:25 SC-Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2020 06:19 Manit0u wrote:
I need brew since I'll mostly be working with vim, tmux and other tools that are not very macky... The biggest pain for me is super weird keyboard with buttons in the wrong places and in wrong shapes - muscle memory makes it so hard.


Make sure to remove the "natural scrolling" option in the Mouse settings. That was so confusing coming from a Windows background. You scroll up but it goes down on the page.

Inverted bros for life.

But yeah there are definitely things I like and dislike about each platform and its UI for sure.

One thing I just outright dislike in terms of Macs is their recent direction with replacing the physical function keys with a context-sensitive Touch Bar thing. Argh! For certain users like my sister she seems to love it, for folks comfortable navigating with keyboards it’s a pain in the arse.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17243 Posts
November 21 2020 11:54 GMT
#20493
The biggest pains for me regarding mac keyboard:

- using cmd instead of ctrl
- ctrl/cmd not being the leftmost bottom button on the keyboard (hate keyboards with this useless fn key there, hope I can remap it)
- right alt and control flipped (might not be a big deal for english people but I use a lot of alt to write in my native language)
- return key being upside down - I'm used to hitting the bottom part of it which is usually wider (not on Mac!) so now I constantly hit / instead of return which is pissing the hell out of me

The biggest pains for me with the UI:
- A lot of screen realestate is being taken up by this useless huge bar at the bottom
- No "windows" key which would explode the view, showing all open windows so I could select one, much easier and faster than alt-tabbing and such

Corporate firmware on top of everything doesn't help either - I need VPN to launch another VPN (with 2FA and LDAP to boot) and only when I'm connected to them I can use apps that let me ask for a permission to get admin rights on my laptop for a set period of time. So much red tape...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria818 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-21 11:59:11
November 21 2020 11:58 GMT
#20494
On November 21 2020 20:54 Manit0u wrote:
The biggest pains for me regarding mac keyboard:

- using cmd instead of ctrl
- ctrl/cmd not being the leftmost bottom button on the keyboard (hate keyboards with this useless fn key there, hope I can remap it)
- right alt and control flipped (might not be a big deal for english people but I use a lot of alt to write in my native language)
- return key being upside down - I'm used to hitting the bottom part of it which is usually wider (not on Mac!) so now I constantly hit / instead of return which is pissing the hell out of me

The biggest pains for me with the UI:
- A lot of screen realestate is being taken up by this useless huge bar at the bottom
- No "windows" key which would explode the view, showing all open windows so I could select one, much easier and faster than alt-tabbing and such

Corporate firmware on top of everything doesn't help either - I need VPN to launch another VPN (with 2FA and LDAP to boot) and only when I'm connected to them I can use apps that let me ask for a permission to get admin rights on my laptop for a set period of time. So much red tape...


I was like this with Mac, but now it's less painful. You get used to the different settings after a while. I'm still a Windows user and I wouldn't switch to Mac for personal use. However, work is possible with Mac, you just need more time. Or, if you want to make life easier, I suggest you find some youtube how-to videos or some articles. The corporate stuff is understandable, it sometimes hinders work..
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25019 Posts
November 21 2020 13:51 GMT
#20495
On November 21 2020 20:54 Manit0u wrote:
The biggest pains for me regarding mac keyboard:

- using cmd instead of ctrl
- ctrl/cmd not being the leftmost bottom button on the keyboard (hate keyboards with this useless fn key there, hope I can remap it)
- right alt and control flipped (might not be a big deal for english people but I use a lot of alt to write in my native language)
- return key being upside down - I'm used to hitting the bottom part of it which is usually wider (not on Mac!) so now I constantly hit / instead of return which is pissing the hell out of me

The biggest pains for me with the UI:
- A lot of screen realestate is being taken up by this useless huge bar at the bottom
- No "windows" key which would explode the view, showing all open windows so I could select one, much easier and faster than alt-tabbing and such

Corporate firmware on top of everything doesn't help either - I need VPN to launch another VPN (with 2FA and LDAP to boot) and only when I'm connected to them I can use apps that let me ask for a permission to get admin rights on my laptop for a set period of time. So much red tape...

The work stuff sounds a big fucking pain.

I guess you’re used to things, I was pondering the other day what the point of even having right alt and right control was as I borderline never used. Makes a ton of sense for languages that have lots of accents.

The explode view is 100% ez, I just can’t remember how to do it or what it’s called. From bitter experience as I rebound my left function and left alt to the various switching window things and then was in hospital for so long I forgot how to undo it when I got out.

Apple have an increasingly annoying habit of naming UI features in a way that doesn’t immediately signify with what they do. To the extent I’ve used them for years and can’t recall what they’re called (I’m in work atm). Think there’s ‘Mission control’ and all sorts.

I assume you’re referring to the dock by the thing at the bottom? You can hide that in system preferences, the thing is called the dock. Happy hunting!

I’ve experienced things the other way around and it’s a remarkably irritating process, but doesn’t take too much adjustment, especially if you’re forced to use stuff often. It was confusing to my Mac sensibilities to have preferences spread across different locations in Windows for example.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-21 16:30:19
November 21 2020 16:22 GMT
#20496
On November 21 2020 20:54 Manit0u wrote:
Corporate firmware on top of everything doesn't help either - I need VPN to launch another VPN (with 2FA and LDAP to boot) and only when I'm connected to them I can use apps that let me ask for a permission to get admin rights on my laptop for a set period of time. So much red tape...


This is the one that grinds my gears the most. I have root to our whole production cluster including the database, but I don't have admin rights to my laptop. Clearly can't be trusted.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19029 Posts
November 21 2020 17:52 GMT
#20497
On November 21 2020 22:51 WombaT wrote:
The explode view is 100% ez, I just can’t remember how to do it or what it’s called. From bitter experience as I rebound my left function and left alt to the various switching window things and then was in hospital for so long I forgot how to undo it when I got out.

on the touch pad it's 4 fingers moving out
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 21 2020 18:13 GMT
#20498
On November 22 2020 02:52 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2020 22:51 WombaT wrote:
The explode view is 100% ez, I just can’t remember how to do it or what it’s called. From bitter experience as I rebound my left function and left alt to the various switching window things and then was in hospital for so long I forgot how to undo it when I got out.

on the touch pad it's 4 fingers moving out


3 fingers up is OP also
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10121 Posts
November 21 2020 22:21 GMT
#20499
On November 21 2020 20:54 Manit0u wrote:
- ctrl/cmd not being the leftmost bottom button on the keyboard (hate keyboards with this useless fn key there, hope I can remap it)

If you find a way, please share it. My laptop has it and i want to kill somebody whenever i have to press some F'X' key.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17243 Posts
November 22 2020 01:52 GMT
#20500
On November 22 2020 02:52 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2020 22:51 WombaT wrote:
The explode view is 100% ez, I just can’t remember how to do it or what it’s called. From bitter experience as I rebound my left function and left alt to the various switching window things and then was in hospital for so long I forgot how to undo it when I got out.

on the touch pad it's 4 fingers moving out


WTF man. I'm a caveman with this stuff and I have no idea what "4 fingers moving out on the touchpad" means as touchpad is an atrocity for me and I avoid touching it as much as I can.
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