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On May 07 2004 01:14 SpuniasauR wrote:
by the way maybe a pg player can tell me this, are the [pG] players in warcraft (aether, hunter, etched) old starcraft players? or is it even the same clan? i been wondering this for a while but i cant be sure if its just noobs taking the l337 tag [pG] hahaha
Yuljan's right. [pG] has squads for several games, it isn't a StarCraft clan. Some are ex-SC players, but I don't know if all are. Either way yes it's the same team, just a different squad.
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On May 07 2004 05:19 SickofLife wrote:
It's strange. When I was following the War3 community non-Koreans dominated Koreans, and now Koreans are the best? Either way, I don't think Koreans have won any major tournaments outside Korea.
Its not strange at all.
Korea has a better environment for pro gaming and thus their players become better over time.
Simple as that.
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On May 07 2004 12:01 mindspike wrote: Show nested quote +On May 07 2004 05:19 SickofLife wrote:
It's strange. When I was following the War3 community non-Koreans dominated Koreans, and now Koreans are the best? Either way, I don't think Koreans have won any major tournaments outside Korea. Its not strange at all. Korea has a better environment for pro gaming and thus their players become better over time. Simple as that.
That, and one idea is that TFT is more like Brood War than Reign of Chaos was, so the Koreans are a little bit more at home with it. Validity of that is speculation however.
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war3 is a fucking crap game. Anyone can be a top player in war3 only by watching a few reps. Skill does not exist in that game in any way.
Seriously, its like bw, but u take away micro, macro, multitasking and strategical possibilities. Then u add a lot of ugly 14-year old losers and a retarded 3d-thingy nobody use, and wow uve got warcraft3.
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On May 07 2004 14:42 Radiohead wrote:
war3 is a fucking crap game. Anyone can be a top player in war3 only by watching a few reps. Skill does not exist in that game in any way.
Seriously, its like bw, but u take away micro, macro, multitasking and strategical possibilities. Then u add a lot of ugly 14-year old losers and a retarded 3d-thingy nobody use, and wow uve got warcraft3.
Ok, so let me get this straight... What you're trying to tell us, is that you haven't played the game and know nothing about it? Or that you have an inability to ignore threads about topics you abhor?
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On May 07 2004 14:42 Radiohead wrote:
war3 is a fucking crap game. Anyone can be a top player in war3 only by watching a few reps. Skill does not exist in that game in any way.
Seriously, its like bw, but u take away micro, macro, multitasking and strategical possibilities. Then u add a lot of ugly 14-year old losers and a retarded 3d-thingy nobody use, and wow uve got warcraft3.
Seems to me like you're an 12-year old loser ;(
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I played war3 basically all last semester and over the winter break (in America that's like Sept. to January) and all I can say that it's a different game than BW. The battles are a lot more small scale, and a lot of times it's hard to pinpoint exactly why you win or lose. You are always doing stuff, just like in BW, but you do different things like creep, creepjack, buy items, harrass the enemy, etc. until the game comes down to one big battle that decides who wins. The last battle is basically just a micro war and you're so busy fighting that you really won't look into your base to get reinforcements. Definitely not as much economy importance as in BW. I personally don't like that style of game and think BW is just more fun. That's just my two cents.
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On May 07 2004 14:53 Orlandu wrote: Show nested quote +On May 07 2004 14:42 Radiohead wrote:
war3 is a fucking crap game. Anyone can be a top player in war3 only by watching a few reps. Skill does not exist in that game in any way.
Seriously, its like bw, but u take away micro, macro, multitasking and strategical possibilities. Then u add a lot of ugly 14-year old losers and a retarded 3d-thingy nobody use, and wow uve got warcraft3. Ok, so let me get this straight... What you're trying to tell us, is that you haven't played the game and know nothing about it? Or that you have an inability to ignore threads about topics you abhor?
actually i think we've all seen some players quit war3 while they are top and then say the exact same thing radiohead said so maybe ur the one whos "havent played the game, know nothing about it, or has inability to ignorare threads about topics they abhor" or maybe ur mom.
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Of course ive played the game. i was top5 norway.
Its also impossible to have your own style in war3. everyone is doing exactly the same builds and strats, and luck becomes the deciding factor.
The only reason people play war3 instead of bw that i can think of is that they suck, and feel more confident about dices than their own abilities. imo, that makes them losers.
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On May 07 2004 17:27 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: Show nested quote +On May 07 2004 14:53 Orlandu wrote: On May 07 2004 14:42 Radiohead wrote:
war3 is a fucking crap game. Anyone can be a top player in war3 only by watching a few reps. Skill does not exist in that game in any way.
Seriously, its like bw, but u take away micro, macro, multitasking and strategical possibilities. Then u add a lot of ugly 14-year old losers and a retarded 3d-thingy nobody use, and wow uve got warcraft3. Ok, so let me get this straight... What you're trying to tell us, is that you haven't played the game and know nothing about it? Or that you have an inability to ignore threads about topics you abhor? actually i think we've all seen some players quit war3 while they are top and then say the exact same thing radiohead said so maybe ur the one whos "havent played the game, know nothing about it, or has inability to ignorare threads about topics they abhor" or maybe ur mom.
Playing the game and making certain comments is one thing. Making uneducated, or as such may be, irrational comments, is another. As my opinions and comments can be backed up with support, it is unlikely that one could logically and intelligently accuse me of not playing. So with that in mind, please continue.
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On May 07 2004 17:27 Radiohead wrote:
Of course ive played the game. i was top5 norway.
Its also impossible to have your own style in war3. everyone is doing exactly the same builds and strats, and luck becomes the deciding factor.
The only reason people play war3 instead of bw that i can think of is that they suck, and feel more confident about dices than their own abilities. imo, that makes them losers.
Unless you've either not played the game in awhile, or are incredibly biased, those comments hold no ground except for the last part where you included "imo, that makes them losers".
As has been said before, SC evolved quite a bit before it became what it is today. You have to remember a game simply isn't a game as it is designed. There is a thing called the metagame that requires one to always be playing the game to understand it.
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i'll explain tomorrow with a long post. its 3:15 am here now, gotta get some sleep.
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Rule #1 of Warcraft III:
Don't play it if you are expecting it to be Starcraft II and not Warcraft III.
On another note. I am the leader pG's WC3 Section. I moved there from rS in early february with current members eTched[pG], CareLess[pG], and ShoCK[pG]. Aether[pG] was formerly in A-X(Apex-X, Audi-X, etc.) and Hunter[pG], a member from TT and 3rd place WCG USA 2003. The German WC3 squad has a couple ex BW players playing in it such as FiSheYe, Korn, and Kosh. It also has a couple AOM Legends like [pG]fire_de and [pG]GodASu.
I won't lie and say we are the best like [pG] is in BW(screw you ToT fans! j/k  ) But the competitive clan system in WC3 is many times larger than it was ever in BW with obvious sponsor and e-Sports advancements. Much like in BW, anything that NuKe leads is #1(he was leader of Ai/uG/eSu in BW and now the leader of SK in wc3 for those of you that don't know). But there are a lot of other great teams like 4K, aT, mTw, and DSky. This season of WC3L we were able to take down SK in a clanwar 3-2, however.
Even if you hate WC3 as a game it's community is still very exciting to follow thanks to leagues like the WC3L, NGA, and the large offline tournaments like ESWC and WCG.
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hmmm i might look into some of these sites, sounds good.
yes i cant take the wcreplays.com forums sometimes. gawd they spend sooo much time complaining IMBA undead  so annoying.
yeh i think koreans dominate teh non-koreans in wc3 now mainly because of the fierce competition and the large tourneys conducive to high levels of practice. i mean all teh BW players that go to korea say "omfg they practice sooo much". u think thats why they have godly micro and play so well? maybe?
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On May 07 2004 15:15 moseskim wrote:
and a lot of times it's hard to pinpoint exactly why you win or lose.
Yea... I'll try to explain this. Essentially, the game is a lot more based on experience. The counters aren't as intuitive/clearly set as in BW. You have to play until you understand the way the game works. So much revolves around heroes, and partially around hero/army dynamics. Like you make be wondering for a counter to say ghouls, but just like in BW, it's a lot more holistic. Like, if you know they're going ghouls, they're prolly going multi-hero and will be ready tier 3 and weak before tier 2. You have to hit tier 2 before their second hero w/ some form of heavy tier 1 build while maintaining tech.
Or... like how Fiend < Wyvern though it's supposed to counter and the correct counter is actually Gargs or perhaps Drunk Haze as well...
So yea. There's a lot less options than in SC because there isn't as much of a variable economy. The really big distinguishing features of the races and strategies are mostly quatatitive in the sense they come at tiers (such as frenzy, beserk etc), making the game a lot more predictable.
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On May 07 2004 01:14 SpuniasauR wrote:
insomnia, madgfrog, heman, dominator etc. also grubby, cadx2craft, aether[pg] (just won acon4 in US), at-wizard, at-deadman
and a whole lot more. many v. good players, look in wcreplays.com interviews section.
mTw-Wizard has been in mTw for around 2-3 months now. Also, mTw-Wizard also technically "won" Acon4's USA qualifier along with Aether[pg], as Aether[pg] is too young to go on the trip to China (and so it goes to mTw-Wizard, although Aether still gets the $2,000).
Anyway, some top War3 sites for the original poster are as follows (most already mentioned):
http://www.ngasports.com/wc3/index.asp
http://www.wc3addicts.com
http://www.warcraftstrategy.com
http://www.replayers.com
As the other posters said though, there is no War3 site that I know of as good as teamliquid (or even sclegacy).
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I thought war 3 was really shitty, I haven't played the expansion though. compared to bw everything is slower and there is much less skill involved... bw takes years to become gosu, I felt like I coulda mastered war 3 in a fraction of that time... however i haven't played the expansion so i dunno about that.
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