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On June 28 2010 03:27 Wombatsavior wrote:I'm not sure if this has any relevance, but I think it does, what do you think community? Seems to me not everything is always as clear cut as society would like to claim it as. + Show Spoiler +
Dated September 29, 2009 so no. Also Canada doesn't have "1st amendment rights."
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On June 27 2010 22:13 Von wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 20:07 Jibba wrote:
It's comprised of mostly rational actors who deal with issues like ethics, societal influences, private pressure and who mostly make rational decisions that sometimes don't turn out well.
. Oh. You mean like BP. Or Goldman Sachs. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Now I totally understand. *points to oversimplified red herring in order to prove point about _______*
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Education on the internet comes with a price, that being most of the information is bad.
This statement is ludicrous. The amount of documentation, historical records, news sources, video from around the world, websites and blogs that examine every aspect of human existence is mind boggling. Just because the average person sits behind their computer and plays video games, watches porn, and occasionally reads some random bit of information from some biased news source or a YouTube video some looney made somewhere does not mean "most of the information is bad". It simply means that the average person makes poor choices, does not lift a finger to do basic research, and in many case cannot put together coherent thoughts on their own. This is not the fault of the Internet. Some might blame a corporate world for breeding people like that from a very young age, through a programmed consumer mindset and insipid advertising brainwashing. But I digress. Neither one of the documentaries I quoted "came from" the Internet. "The Corporation" is award winning, very well put together and raises a lot of essential issues that anybody would be well served to consider. I believe "Money as Debt" was produced by the Mises Institute, who have been around far longer than the Internet. Its a neat little entertaining film about the basics of the banking system, that will teach any average person the fundamentals and the associated problems if they spend a little bit of time and effort to watch it.
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Believing that there is a coherent scheme to international banking is a product of that. The biggest fault is that the situation as a whole is completely incoherent and I would bet $5 that there's not a single person who understands how it all works, because it is too complex, policies too convoluted and there's too many actors with their own exceptions.
Using complexity of systems to excuse criminal behavior is not in anyone's best interest. Regardless of the complexity of a system, there is always a way to at understand the root dynamics in somewhat simple form. This way you can cut through the layers of B.S. on top and see the truth. The fact that the majority of the world's banking system is built on sand is patently obvious to any 10th grader that can grasp the basics of the system. Simply understanding the little mathematical mind games that banking and financial systems play on the public, can go a long way toward seeing toward the layers of deception they have been playing on the world for hundreds if not thousands of years.
National central banks use fractional reserve lending along with fiat money - like a huge vacuum cleaner that sucks all the wealth and prosperity out of the nations of the world - these little math tricks fuel corporate rape of entire civilizations, and they enslave the entire world with phony fictitious debt.
Oh please, nothing in this is substantiated. We're not simply talking about the Washington Consensus where you might have a point. We're talking about stuff like a convergence of financial guarding policies to prevent stuff like the Asian investment crisis in the 90s. That, or Greece's current quagmire are due to irresponsible behavior by the country itself, not the banks or investors.
If this were an IMF BoG meeting or World Bank, or even WTO, I'd be arguing that the lending policies are unfair and cause poor countries to deteriorate. But G20 is much milder than that. This is basically all the major banking regions figuring out how to adjust their policies without screwing over a neighbor, something that was a very important step between the Federal Reserve and Deutsche Bank after the banks had collapsed. I'm sure some country, somewhere is negatively affected by it, but it's by oversight and not malice.
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On June 27 2010 20:38 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 20:07 Jibba wrote:
I have watched them and they're filled with half truths and a skewed narrative. In fact, we've had the very conversation on these forums on whether corporations are psychopathic or not.
See, when you actually study political science or economics, and I don't mean looking something up on Wikipedia but ACTUALLY learning decent information about them and the reasons behind things and the reasons behind those things, etc., you begin to see that the world is not a black and white picture where everyone is out to get one another or where egomaniacs and mega-entities secretly try to take over the world or because they want to become #1 in everything possible. It's comprised of mostly rational actors who deal with issues like ethics, societal influences, private pressure and who mostly make rational decisions that sometimes don't turn out well.
Education on the internet comes with a price, that being most of the information is bad.
Believing that there is a coherent scheme to international banking is a product of that. The biggest fault is that the situation as a whole is completely incoherent and I would bet $5 that there's not a single person who understands how it all works, because it is too complex, policies too convoluted and there's too many actors with their own exceptions. Maybe my good friend Karl Marx learnt about politics on wikipedia. I'm willing to bet $10,000 (yeah, smuft money) you haven't read any significant portion of Das Kapital. You cannot possible condense that monster into something readable in under a month, let alone something easily digestible for someone who hasn't studied economics.
Tyty, Boblion.
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Happy Birthday Jibba ( yea i'm late ) :D
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On June 28 2010 01:36 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 01:07 StarStruck wrote:
The Liberal party is much better than the Conservative party, but we should leave politics out of this. We all know where that will lead this.
To the post above mine, if you didn't see my post before one of the major complaints people have is the ridiculous amount of money we're paying to host such an event. But, you probably don't pay taxes yet, so it's a mute point. :/
The problem is it's unjustified. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want this coming out of my tax dollars. That's why there are so many different groups protesting. The money should have gone elsewhere. You dont know the difference between liberals and conservatives. You do realize, historically, Liberal spending and liberal taxation has been significantly higher than conservative spending/taxation (you should probably get your facts straight). The liberal government under Pierre Trudeau damn near bankrupted the country (yet every supporter seems to forget this - not that he wasnt an admirable man in other respects). The ruling party has nothing to do with it and to believe that having a different party in power would have prevented the G8 and the riots is ludicrous. A liberal government would have spent just as much if not more. That said, I agree with the fact that hosting the event somewhere secluded to cut down on costs would have been a better choice. Frankly I dont want to be taxed so other world leaders can stay at a 5 star hotel. That said, there is some merit in the Sikon's post above
I said, let's not turn this into a political thread and that is exactly what you are doing. Let's not argue who did what. This isn't a history lesson. Besides that, you are throwing an entirely different conversation. Our blessed government not only chose to host this Summit, but the location as well.
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On June 28 2010 04:33 Sabu113 wrote:
Who would want to read a significant portion of Das Kapital? >>
I don't know a single economist who likes reading it, even Germans. But I guess if Marx is Biff's friend. Maybe he needs a proofread or something from Biff. D:
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Can't the world leaders skype or something?
I can't wait to move out of Canada in a few years so my tax money doesn't go to this kind of bs.
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Cant wait to see the sound cannon trucks in use.
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On June 28 2010 04:40 ironchef wrote:
Cant wait to see the sound cannon trucks in use.
Can't wait, Well I am one to deliver!
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that's the best footage i can find, its really good footage though, too bad we aren't allowed to protest anymore, well, without a "permit" at least.
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On June 27 2010 16:46 GuerrillaRepublik wrote:
Anarchists arent anti-gov there in same side... they demonize the public by having anarchist vandalizing the streets and trashing the stores. prime example would be the Seattle riot. Just look at the mainstream news talking about the violence always and when they do show peaceful protests they say because of heavy police presence. you most people dont realize the magnitude of control these secret luciferian groups have in the society since ages, which now they control the population through corporate cosmology. iam very deeply worried what kind of world my children will live in as we slip deeper and deeper into oblivion.
+2 people's prespective of this world is too naive to find the truth of reality, its truely sad for mankind.
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On June 28 2010 01:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:![[image loading]](http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r4/Heimdall00/SF/Rome-Africa.jpg) THIS is why the rich countries are rich and why the poor countries are poor.
Africa is poor because they had a giant fucking dessert running through it cutting off trade and expansion for the last couple thousand years, and the economic and social development that goes along with it. Northern africa isn't that bad. In fact, some small northern african countries along the coast have standards of living that rival many european countries.
Canada is wealthy because you have 10x the amount if natural resources that had never been touched or developed upon then any other nation save America, as well as continuous trade with the most power and wealthy nation throughout most of the last couple centuries.
Stop being a smug little bitch.
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stupid fucking hippies
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Has it been said yet? Black Bloc members are planted by the gov't to discredit the "peacefulness" of protests. Easy way to save face when you need to bust out the batons.
*Just saw the 2009 video posted last page. Same idea.*
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On June 28 2010 06:00 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 01:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:THIS is why the rich countries are rich and why the poor countries are poor. Africa is poor because they had a giant fucking dessert running through it cutting off trade and expansion for the last couple thousand years, and the economic and social development that goes along with it. Northern africa isn't that bad. In fact, some small northern african countries along the coast have standards of living that rival many european countries. Canada is wealthy because you have 10x the amount if natural resources that had never been touched or developed upon then any other nation save America, as well as continuous trade with the most power and wealthy nation throughout most of the last couple centuries. Stop being a smug little bitch.
That's funny, there are plenty of super rich countries in the middle east and they are IN THE MIDDLE OF A DESERT. Guess why? They had resources they are able to sell, for their own country's economy. If you think exploitation of africa has played no role regarding their current economic state you are about as ignorant as you can get. From the slave trade, to goods like sugar and tobacco, to minerals and gemstones(diamonds anyone?), to metals, to oil - to even warfare(selling of weapons - leads to western profits), exploitation of africa has held that region down for centuries. How much money has africa made off of the things I listed compared to how much money the west has made off of them? God damn, you're just so clueless I really don't even want to put much effort into this post because it's so freaking obvious.
I've stopped caring if I hurt people's sensitivities. I am just going to say it as it is. You deserve to have your sensitivities hurt when you post like you're an expert or something when it's clear you've actually done little to no research at all.
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I hate protests because there are so many people there who are not there for legitimate reasons. Some people like to cause havoc, some people just like to be in a group. Protests are largely ineffective when the group makeup is so poor and it was a very poor decision on behalf of all of the protesters to show their discontent via this medium.
On June 28 2010 06:17 Cedstick wrote:
Has it been said yet? Black Bloc members are planted by the gov't to discredit the "peacefulness" of protests. Easy way to save face when you need to bust out the batons.
*Just saw the 2009 video posted last page. Same idea.*
I think that the police are there just to make sure that things don't get incredulously out of hand. While they may not stop the violent members from doing things such as breaking windows because they are outnumbered, I am sure that if somebody in the group pulls out a gun and starts making threats, they will stop said person. I believe that is their purpose for going undercover, not to rile up the crowd and cause violence, what kind sense does that make? (Don't go making any conspiracy comments about this either)
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On June 28 2010 04:27 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 20:38 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 27 2010 20:07 Jibba wrote:
I have watched them and they're filled with half truths and a skewed narrative. In fact, we've had the very conversation on these forums on whether corporations are psychopathic or not.
See, when you actually study political science or economics, and I don't mean looking something up on Wikipedia but ACTUALLY learning decent information about them and the reasons behind things and the reasons behind those things, etc., you begin to see that the world is not a black and white picture where everyone is out to get one another or where egomaniacs and mega-entities secretly try to take over the world or because they want to become #1 in everything possible. It's comprised of mostly rational actors who deal with issues like ethics, societal influences, private pressure and who mostly make rational decisions that sometimes don't turn out well.
Education on the internet comes with a price, that being most of the information is bad.
Believing that there is a coherent scheme to international banking is a product of that. The biggest fault is that the situation as a whole is completely incoherent and I would bet $5 that there's not a single person who understands how it all works, because it is too complex, policies too convoluted and there's too many actors with their own exceptions. Maybe my good friend Karl Marx learnt about politics on wikipedia. I'm willing to bet $10,000 (yeah, smuft money) you haven't read any significant portion of Das Kapital. You cannot possible condense that monster into something readable in under a month, let alone something easily digestible for someone who hasn't studied economics. Tyty, Boblion.
Tintin!!! You just lost 10 000 $ 
To have fun, I take a random page, let's say...
page 1175 of the second book of the "Folio Essays" french edition: here is the first sentence of the page:
"est toujours avancée en argent, même dans le processus de production continue ou cette forme est simplement celle de la monnaie."
I haven't read the whole Capital, though, it's true. I have read the first book and a portion of the second. But come on, seriously, you don't need to know by memory the whole Das Capital to understand precisely enough his point to have a clear opinion.
Especially if you have read other marxist philosophers such as Althusser (I read parts of his Lire le Capital and most of his late essays) or Rancière, or even (don't get me wrong I don't like them) Lenin and Mao.
What about "in under a month". It's like Kant Critic of Pure Reason, you don't read it from the beginning to the end in one time. Usually, you refer to bits, you read this or that chapter, unless you are a damn specialist. I am not a philosopher, I'm a musician!
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On June 28 2010 06:00 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 01:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:THIS is why the rich countries are rich and why the poor countries are poor. Africa is poor because they had a giant fucking dessert running through it cutting off trade and expansion for the last couple thousand years, and the economic and social development that goes along with it. Northern africa isn't that bad. In fact, some small northern african countries along the coast have standards of living that rival many european countries. Canada is wealthy because you have 10x the amount if natural resources that had never been touched or developed upon then any other nation save America, as well as continuous trade with the most power and wealthy nation throughout most of the last couple centuries. Stop being a smug little bitch.
WWWWTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFF
I didn't post that!!! I answered to the guy who posted and basically sayinog he was a racist bastard. Stop quoting shit with my name on top of it ffs! Second time in this thread!
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On June 28 2010 04:39 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 04:33 Sabu113 wrote:
Who would want to read a significant portion of Das Kapital? >> I don't know a single economist who likes reading it, even Germans. But I guess if Marx is Biff's friend. Maybe he needs a proofread or something from Biff. D:
Das Capital is rather studied in Philosophy than in Economy since Economy today is disconnected completely from Political Economy (actually what people study in Economics today is typically what Marx would have called Bourgeois Economy).
Das Kapital was in the subject of the highest french philosophy degree (agregation) two years ago in the German section. You can't understand shit about people such as Adorno, the School of Franckfurt, Deleuze, Lyotard, Derrida, Balibar, Foucault, even Lacan, Badiou, Althusser, Guattari, or Sartres if you haven't read and understood what Marx was very precisely about.
And theses guys are basically all huge figures of XXth century continental philosophy.
Marx's work is not the bible there is a lot to leave, but reading him is just necessary to understand the world and history of the last two centuries.
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