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Canada1522 Posts
On June 27 2010 22:08 muse5187 wrote: fucking police go away, we want to smash things. this is why they spent 1.1 billion on security. its sad to see that huge waste of money get justified, a peaceful protest would have been in many way more effective imo, because now it just shows the country that they in fact did need to spend that much money | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
To the post above mine, if you didn't see my post before one of the major complaints people have is the ridiculous amount of money we're paying to host such an event. But, you probably don't pay taxes yet, so it's a mute point. :/ The problem is it's unjustified. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want this coming out of my tax dollars. That's why there are so many different groups protesting. The money should have gone elsewhere. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
The orders to do that must come from high up, right? What would the police theirselves stand to lose by letting the protesters protest? Maybe what I am saying is obvious. I am just surprised more people aren't outraged / incredibly disgusted by it. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:08 travis wrote: I know I am a few pages too late due to going to bed, but if it's been proven that the police go undercover to try to incite riot in the midst of peaceful protestors - doesn't that suggest conspiracy of a high caliber? The orders to do that must come from high up, right? What would the police theirselves stand to lose by letting the protesters protest? Maybe what I am saying is obvious. I am just surprised more people aren't outraged / incredibly disgusted by it. Well, they probably know that more violent it gets, less the protesters will be heard. But in a way, that's sad, but it is obvious. | ||
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exeexe
Denmark937 Posts
G20 is imba and should be nerfed. Because only the richest countries are involved in this. So the decissions at these meetings will be in the rich countries favour, in return putting the poor countries into a bigger slump than they are already. Its like if Blizzard only hired Zerg players to make balance issues in starcraft 2. Ofcourse then the game would be imbalanced in zergs favour. That would in return prompt protests from terran, protoss players and, at rare occasions, from zerg players, because theres no fun if the zerg players are having it too easy. So at this demonstration we are basically seing the zerg protesters aka people from the rich part of the world, turning against their own dominance, because they can see its unfair. They want the order of the day to be more balanced and even so more people can have fun =D | ||
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Ramsing
Canada233 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:07 StarStruck wrote: The Liberal party is much better than the Conservative party, but we should leave politics out of this. We all know where that will lead this. To the post above mine, if you didn't see my post before one of the major complaints people have is the ridiculous amount of money we're paying to host such an event. But, you probably don't pay taxes yet, so it's a mute point. :/ The problem is it's unjustified. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want this coming out of my tax dollars. That's why there are so many different groups protesting. The money should have gone elsewhere. It's just as rotten to see the wasteful spending of billions on maternal health in developing countries. We're in the middle of a recession, are going into a massive deficit, our naval ships on the East Coast are sitting in drydocks rusting away, our social programs are soon to be hit (Well...they already have begun to be hit) by the babyboomers, etc. etc. and we're wasting money on something as useless as maternal health? It does not help Canadians to waste money on improving other countries: let's deal with our own before we start funding the development of the rest of the world. | ||
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Ramsing
Canada233 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:18 exeexe wrote: Because only the richest countries are involved in this. So the decissions at these meetings will be in the rich countries favour, in return putting the poor countries into a bigger slump than they are already. Good. I'm in a rich country and I support my country getting richer. Why would I want anything less than the very best for my people? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:20 Ramsing wrote: It's just as rotten to see the wasteful spending of billions on maternal health in developing countries. We're in the middle of a recession, are going into a massive deficit, our naval ships on the East Coast are sitting in drydocks rusting away, our social programs are soon to be hit (Well...they already have begun to be hit) by the babyboomers, etc. etc. and we're wasting money on something as useless as maternal health? It helps Canadians not a whit to waste money on improving other countries: let's deal with our own before we start funding the development of the rest of the world. When you start considering that the whole economy of rich countries is built on fucking poorer countries in the ass, the obscenity of your post becomes more blatant. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:23 Ramsing wrote: Good. I'm in a rich country and I support my country getting richer. Why would I want anything less than the very best for my people? Because your people live on the whole of the earth and not just within the same country as you. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:23 Ramsing wrote: Good. I'm in a rich country and I support my country getting richer. Why would I want anything less than the very best for my people? Because you prefer knowing that ten people live well rather than one being obscenely rich and the nine other dying of hunger. Unless you consider african to worth less than north american, in which case the discussion is over for me. It's common sense. | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
SCREW THAT. That's letting violence and intimidation win. I refuse to allow my government to give into that shit. These violent protesters do not speak for me and I want to see them arrested and do time in jail. I want to see their lives ruined as they can't get decent jobs or leave the country upon release and learn what it means to live in a developed nation - what sorts of responsibilities you have to the public order. ![[image loading]](http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r4/Heimdall00/SF/Rome-Africa.jpg) THIS is why the rich countries are rich and why the poor countries are poor. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3700 Posts
As I see it, in developed countries G8 and G20 protests are just excuses for people to go and riot/vandalize shit. When the G8 was held in Switzerland all the shop-windows were boarded up, and those that weren't were just broken into and stolen from. Really, how much of a social statement are these angsty, frustrated-with-mediocre-state-of-life people making, and look at the image they portray of their nation... | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:07 StarStruck wrote: The Liberal party is much better than the Conservative party, but we should leave politics out of this. We all know where that will lead this. To the post above mine, if you didn't see my post before one of the major complaints people have is the ridiculous amount of money we're paying to host such an event. But, you probably don't pay taxes yet, so it's a mute point. :/ The problem is it's unjustified. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want this coming out of my tax dollars. That's why there are so many different groups protesting. The money should have gone elsewhere. You dont know the difference between liberals and conservatives. You do realize, historically, Liberal spending and liberal taxation has been significantly higher than conservative spending/taxation (you should probably get your facts straight). The liberal government under Pierre Trudeau damn near bankrupted the country (yet every supporter seems to forget this - not that he wasnt an admirable man in other respects). The ruling party has nothing to do with it and to believe that having a different party in power would have prevented the G8 and the riots is ludicrous. A liberal government would have spent just as much if not more. That said, I agree with the fact that hosting the event somewhere secluded to cut down on costs would have been a better choice. Frankly I dont want to be taxed so other world leaders can stay at a 5 star hotel. That said, there is some merit in the Sikon's post above | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:31 sikyon wrote: Alot of people are mad because they decided to host in toronto. CLEARLY they should have GIVEN IN to the protestors and moved the conference elsewhere. SCREW THAT. That's letting violence and intimidation win. I refuse to allow my government to give into that shit. These violent protesters do not speak for me and I want to see them arrested and do time in jail. I want to see their lives ruined as they can't get decent jobs or leave the country upon release and learn what it means to live in a developed nation - what sorts of responsibilities you have to the public order. THIS is why the rich countries are rich and why the poor countries are poor. That kind of racist self-satisfied shit makes me so fucking angry. If americans, canadians and european companies didn't exploit the raw material of theses countries while supporting coprrupted government and fucking theses people who never see a penny of their own wealth in the ass, you couldn't hold the same discourse. | ||
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Ramsing
Canada233 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:26 travis wrote: Because your people live on the whole of the earth and not just within the same country as you. I am a Canadian and I am a German. Those are my people. You might reject nationalism, but I do not. When you start considering that the whole economy of rich countries is built on fucking poorer countries in the ass, the obscenity of your post becomes more blatant. I'm well aware of how we became rich. If being rich means someone else has to be poor, then that's unfortunate. But it doesn't mean that we should stop being rich; we now enjoy the highest quality of living ever, and I'm not willing to give up what my ancestors fought to provide simply for the sake of global equality. Global equality will not improve my life, whereas constantly screwing poorer countries will, so why would I support it? It's entirely unrealistic to expect people to not act in a self-interested manner, yet that's precisely what people here seem to be advocating for, for what seems like purely altruistic reasons. Well, I reject that altruism and I'll stick with the methodologies that have been proven effective in a world with scarce resources. | ||
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exeexe
Denmark937 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:47 Ramsing wrote: I am a Canadian and I am a German. Those are my people. You might reject nationalism, but I do not. I'm well aware of how we became rich. If being rich means someone else has to be poor, then that's unfortunate. But it doesn't mean that we should stop being rich; we now enjoy the highest quality of living ever, and I'm not willing to give up what my ancestors fought to provide simply for the sake of global equality. Global equality will not improve my life, whereas constantly screwing poorer countries will, so why would I support it? It's entirely unrealistic to expect people to not act in a self-interested manner, yet that's precisely what people here seem to be advocating for, for what seems like purely altruistic reasons. Well, I reject that altruism and I'll stick with the methodologies that have been proven effective in a world with scarce resources. It's true that nationalism has brought so many good things to germany. Man you are really smart. But you know what? I don't think saying that a german or canadian worths more than a non-german or non-canadian is "nationalist". I would call that plain racism. Anyway. No wonder whay there are wars and why people kill each other all over the world with such enlightened reasonment. Geez... | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:44 Biff The Understudy wrote: That kind of racist self-satisfied shit makes me so fucking angry. If americans, canadians and european companies didn't exploit the raw material of theses countries while supporting coprrupted government and fucking theses people who never see a penny of their own wealth in the ass, you couldn't hold the same discourse. I'm actually an immigrant from China, which has been historically fucked up the ass by european countries. However, like many other asian countries we basically learned from their superior technology and made our own quality of life better. Canada has one of the greatest reserves of natural resources in the world so don't give me crap about third world raw materials. The fact is that the best sciences, math and technology were invented by western countries, which they now leverage. It's not like there is some sort of responsibility to give this shit away to other people. Anyhow I'm comfortable where I am and I am more concerned for myself than for the other nations that can deal with their own problems. WHY do I have some sort of responsibility towards them? I also hate it when people try to get the government to give more aid. You're basically trying to take money away from your neighbors in taxes to give to a cause you believe in. Instead, you should just be donating that money you're saving by not having additional taxes directly. The aid that's given by governements should be what hte majority of people agree with. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:47 Ramsing wrote: I am a Canadian and I am a German. Those are my people. You might reject nationalism, but I do not. That's because you're selfish, ignorant, purposely abrasive, or a combination of those. Anyone who gave a minutia of thought to the matter would see that human beings that live beyond your arbitrary territorial lines feel the same kinds of suffering as humans that live within it. But this is obvious, and willful ignorance cannot be conquered by anything other than the ignoramus desiring the truth. So I'll end this here. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
On June 28 2010 01:58 sikyon wrote: I'm actually an immigrant from China, which has been historically fucked up the ass by european countries. However, like many other asian countries we basically learned from their superior technology and made our own quality of life better. Canada has one of the greatest reserves of natural resources in the world so don't give me crap about third world raw materials. The fact is that the best sciences, math and technology were invented by western countries, which they now leverage. It's not like there is some sort of responsibility to give this shit away to other people. Anyhow I'm comfortable where I am and I am more concerned for myself than for the other nations that can deal with their own problems. WHY do I have some sort of responsibility towards them? I also hate it when people try to get the government to give more aid. You're basically trying to take money away from your neighbors in taxes to give to a cause you believe in. Instead, you should just be donating that money you're saving by not having additional taxes directly. The aid that's given by governements should be what hte majority of people agree with. You know, I have an aunt who have worked in Amazonia and have seen what american companies do. What she was reporting was so gross, was so criminal that a tenth of them would be enough to make you cry of anger. The wealth of our countries don't come from the fact that we are "so much smarter". It comes from centuries of colonial opression, it comes from people being paid 1 $ a day making your shoes, it comes from ressources from all around the world being exploited without people of theses country having any benefit from it. Do you know what France does in Africa? How they support the most corrupted dictatorship so that their diamond companies can exploit their ressources without having to pay high taxes? Do you know that South Korea corporations bought most of Madagascar lands to the detriment of native farmers? Let's not talk about what US did in South America during the last half century. You don't know about it? That's where the wealth you are so proud of comes from: the blood of whole continents. If things were fair, europ and north america would 70% less rich than they are. So stop crying about the half percent help that we are giving to theses people. People worth the same everywhere. Your egoistic reasonment makes me feel sick. | ||
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