Just saw on the news, alot of the problems are coming from a francophone montreal group called LPAC who are an anti-capitalist group. They are apparently using the UofT as a cover for being students.
That said, this thread is quickly getting out of control
I think its important to note that most of the people protesting arent protesting the exploitation of third world states, they are protesting capitalism and globalisation. While I realize that the two are connected I dont think alot of these protestors care that much about the third world. A good portion of them call themselves anarchists, and just dont believe in government and support any opportunity to screw with the social norm.
Also its pretty sad that people cant discuss something like this without resorting to name calling.
On June 28 2010 01:44 sikyon wrote I also hate it when people try to get the government to give more aid. You're basically trying to take money away from your neighbors in taxes to give to a cause you believe in. Instead, you should just be donating that money you're saving by not having additional taxes directly. The aid that's given by governements should be what hte majority of people agree with.
You do realise that the rich world are able to help the poor countries without spending a dime right?
Just remove the trade barrier that is being enforced when a 3rd nation tries to export its products to a rich country. So even if a 3rd world nation wanted to hardcore-work itself out of povertry, which is a noble cause and should be encouraged by strong nations, they cant because when they try to export their products it gets too expensive at the end costumer. Think of it, if the 3rd world worked their ass off and became less poor and could afford to provide basic services for their population, there would be no need to send aid and our budgets would be better.
All too ironic that Monarch Park high school banned to kill a mockingbird because it has the word nigger in it. Also...Anarchist Group??? Are you kidding me? Talk about someone who doesn't believe in what they say they do.
No doubt you'll hear the crowd dancing while chanting "kill the pig! cut his throat! kill the pig! bash him in!"
On June 28 2010 01:44 Biff The Understudy wrote I also hate it when people try to get the government to give more aid. You're basically trying to take money away from your neighbors in taxes to give to a cause you believe in. Instead, you should just be donating that money you're saving by not having additional taxes directly. The aid that's given by governements should be what hte majority of people agree with.
You do realise that the rich world are able to help the poor countries without spending a dime right?
Just remove the trade barrier that is being enforced when a 3rd nation tries to export its products to a rich country. So even if a 3rd world nation wanted to hardcore-work itself out of povertry, which is a noble cause and should be encouraged by strong nations, they cant because when they try to export their products it gets too expensive at the end costumer. Think of it, if the 3rd world worked their ass off and became less poor and could afford to provide basic services for their population, there would be no need to send aid and our budgets would be better.
lol dude, quote properly I am not the one who said that ffs.
On June 28 2010 02:23 Roe wrote: All too ironic that Monarch Park high school banned to kill a mockingbird because it has the word nigger in it. Also...Anarchist Group??? Are you kidding me? Talk about someone who doesn't believe in what they say they do.
No doubt you'll hear the crowd dancing while chanting "kill the pig! cut his throat! kill the pig! bash him in!"
Yeeeeaaaah. They're certainly not political anarchists. Just a bunch of skinny kids having fun breaking shit.
On June 27 2010 11:15 Kwidowmaker wrote: Sadly I'm stuck in sauga and I can't watch the carnage
Exact same situation. Although I wouldn't call it "stuck".
yay one advantage to being in UTM over StGeorge campus.
I did have to go downtown though to write a test at the prometric centre, and it was on the 24th (day 1 of the summit). Luckily it wasn't as bad since I needed to commute back to sauga
I got off work at 8 and got biked through the downtown core around 9 but didn't see anything except some boarded up windows and a few cracked ones in banks and groups of people standing around doing nothing (probably observers like me).
edit: personally I think all meetings should be done online to save money.
global south: yo man call off the debt plz our ppl are starving here c'mon... g20: lolol screw you noobs, suck less. you still owe me dem natural resources and shit.
On June 28 2010 02:23 Roe wrote: All too ironic that Monarch Park high school banned to kill a mockingbird because it has the word nigger in it. Also...Anarchist Group??? Are you kidding me? Talk about someone who doesn't believe in what they say they do.
No doubt you'll hear the crowd dancing while chanting "kill the pig! cut his throat! kill the pig! bash him in!"
Yeeeeaaaah. They're certainly not political anarchists. Just a bunch of skinny kids having fun breaking shit.
You should have seen Paris a few years ago. Our nihilists are much better than yours.
Well most poor country can only blame their government. Noone forces them to listen to the west. All countries who made it out of poverty disregarded the international rules. If a country wants success it should implant trade barriers to protect blossoming industries and steal patents from first world countries to establish a framework. Most poor country just focus on exporting raw materials and importing the finished good we produce with these materials. Noone gets rich that way. Trade barriers are bad for the global economy but good for their country. Well and most poor countries have a ridicoulous level of corruption.
Really should just round up and kill the lot of them. Would save us a lot of hassle -.-. Idiots. Dn't understand jack about what they're protesting against or for.
On June 28 2010 01:44 sikyon wrote I also hate it when people try to get the government to give more aid. You're basically trying to take money away from your neighbors in taxes to give to a cause you believe in. Instead, you should just be donating that money you're saving by not having additional taxes directly. The aid that's given by governements should be what hte majority of people agree with.
You do realise that the rich world are able to help the poor countries without spending a dime right?
Just remove the trade barrier that is being enforced when a 3rd nation tries to export its products to a rich country. So even if a 3rd world nation wanted to hardcore-work itself out of povertry, which is a noble cause and should be encouraged by strong nations, they cant because when they try to export their products it gets too expensive at the end costumer. Think of it, if the 3rd world worked their ass off and became less poor and could afford to provide basic services for their population, there would be no need to send aid and our budgets would be better.
"without spending a dime", lol. You do realize that abolishing all import quotas from very poor countries would kill a lot of jobs in western countries, don't you? A lot of farmers without a job, a lot (more) manufacturing jobs gone overseas to people that work almost for free, a lot less taxes paid for the local goverments and a lot more money required for social services.
Nothing is simple in international trade. The world is moving towards more and more liberal (in the classical sense) regulations of international trade, but you can't abolish them outright without causing a friggin' meltdown. Funny thing is, the World Trade Organization these "protesters" hate so much is one of the key institutions that fight for more freedom in international trade.
That's because you're selfish, ignorant, purposely abrasive, or a combination of those. Anyone who gave a minutia of thought to the matter would see that human beings that live beyond your arbitrary territorial lines feel the same kinds of suffering as humans that live within it. But this is obvious, and willful ignorance cannot be conquered by anything other than the ignoramus desiring the truth. So I'll end this here.
I don't dispute the humanity of anyone. But I also don't believe in a utopia that is a popular theme among most leftists. We don't live in a perfect world and we shouldn't approach an imperfect world with scarce resources as anything but an imperfect world with scarce resources: it's illogical and, quite frankly damaging, to do otherwise.
You do realise that the rich world are able to help the poor countries without spending a dime right?
Just remove the trade barrier that is being enforced when a 3rd nation tries to export its products to a rich country. So even if a 3rd world nation wanted to hardcore-work itself out of povertry, which is a noble cause and should be encouraged by strong nations, they cant because when they try to export their products it gets too expensive at the end costumer. Think of it, if the 3rd world worked their ass off and became less poor and could afford to provide basic services for their population, there would be no need to send aid and our budgets would be better.
If it only it were so simple...There is always a trade-off involved in any economic policy, and the most obvious one involved with removing a trade barrier is more competition. On the face of the matter more competition is wonderful, but how can you, as an elected leader represented to best serve the interests of your community, go in front of your community and tell them that some of them will have to sacrifice their jobs and their livelihoods for your altruistic trade policies? How would you react to such a policy?
I don't pretend to say that it's fair that one person should have to live poorly for another to live well, but that's the world we live in and it's not going to change simply because we will it to be so. When one person realizes that they can do better for themselves and their family, it is perfectly logical that they would strive to make their own lives better, even if that means that someone else might not share in their prosperity. Of course people will say that we should all value each other equally, but when it comes down to it, you have to ask yourself if you can honestly say that you value the lives of a strangers children as much as you do your own. The answer is obvious and so too is the reasoning for the current system that has been instituted.
What do the protestors want exactly? At the start of this video they are chanting for socialism, which seems kind of ironic as they are getting shoved around by a government force. It seems kind of weird to me to see anarchists protesting alongside socialists. Don't they want the exact opposite? How did they find a common ground? (I'm assuming some of them are anarchists since people have said that in this thread and they are the usual suspects for these types of riots.)
On June 28 2010 03:01 BlackJack wrote: At the start of this video they are chanting for socialism, which seems kind of ironic as they are getting shoved around by a government force.
It's only ironic if you're so economically right wing you don't realize there's no contradiction.
On June 28 2010 01:31 sikyon wrote: Alot of people are mad because they decided to host in toronto. CLEARLY they should have GIVEN IN to the protestors and moved the conference elsewhere.
SCREW THAT. That's letting violence and intimidation win. I refuse to allow my government to give into that shit.
Uh... people were opposed to it because IT IS THE MOST COSTLY PLACE TO HOLD IT, not because of intimidation.
Even presuming your premise is correct that it would be giving in, did anyone "win" now that they held it in Toronto? What a silly view. It didn't have to be here, it was the worst place to hold it, and our PM is retarded.
I'm not sure if this has any relevance, but I think it does, what do you think community? Seems to me not everything is always as clear cut as society would like to claim it as.
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