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On July 15 2010 13:57 Ndugu wrote:
I don't really see why this is such a debate.
Mac hardware is incredibly overpriced. It's usually around 1.5x what the equivalent parts would cost in a PC. That is being very generous. A while back a new Macbook line launched and I got a Asus laptop with the same exact specs as the Macbook Pro (slightly better videocard), and with blu-ray. It cost around $1000 versus $2000.
That being said, its usually very high build quality, at least aesthetically. It also uses a fisher-price operating system that some love.
If you think the OS and aesthetics are worth having a worse computer for your money, go for it. If you're debating that Macs aren't really overpriced, you're factually wrong and a fanboy.
No one is (or at least most people aren't) arguing that you don't pay a significant premium for Macs. But I do hate when people immediately dismiss any advantage macs might have. For some, especially when money isn't as much of a consideration, the superior build quality, screen, touchpad, and OS (yes, it is preference, but OSX does have some very nice things about it) are worth the money and tradeoffs. And for the standard user, excluding gaming, the negatives about macs are very few (basically, price, and OS depending on preference).
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MACs are really expensive and can be very annoying with gaming, due to a lot of incomparability issues.
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On July 15 2010 14:58 theonemephisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 13:57 Ndugu wrote:
I don't really see why this is such a debate.
Mac hardware is incredibly overpriced. It's usually around 1.5x what the equivalent parts would cost in a PC. That is being very generous. A while back a new Macbook line launched and I got a Asus laptop with the same exact specs as the Macbook Pro (slightly better videocard), and with blu-ray. It cost around $1000 versus $2000.
That being said, its usually very high build quality, at least aesthetically. It also uses a fisher-price operating system that some love.
If you think the OS and aesthetics are worth having a worse computer for your money, go for it. If you're debating that Macs aren't really overpriced, you're factually wrong and a fanboy. No one is (or at least most people aren't) arguing that you don't pay a significant premium for Macs. But I do hate when people immediately dismiss any advantage macs might have. For some, especially when money isn't as much of a consideration, the superior build quality, screen, touchpad, and OS (yes, it is preference, but OSX does have some very nice things about it) are worth the money and tradeoffs. And for the standard user, excluding gaming, the negatives about macs are very few (basically, price, and OS depending on preference).
um add incompatilibity with many many programs and apps, the inability to upgrade parts (which is huge actually)
i also hate that macs try to be "different" in very superficial, annoying ways.. for example the placement of the "close buttons" or their retarded mouse, or the placement of the command key (copying and pasting is sooo awkward)
and "basically" price?
that's a mega disadvantage; it's akin to saying merc s classes's only disadvantage to toyata camry is "just" price. Price makes all the difference...
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OP, Sorry if this is off-topic, but I'm super curious...
What kind of math/accounting job requires you to program in Scheme?
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On July 15 2010 15:13 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 14:58 theonemephisto wrote:On July 15 2010 13:57 Ndugu wrote:
I don't really see why this is such a debate.
Mac hardware is incredibly overpriced. It's usually around 1.5x what the equivalent parts would cost in a PC. That is being very generous. A while back a new Macbook line launched and I got a Asus laptop with the same exact specs as the Macbook Pro (slightly better videocard), and with blu-ray. It cost around $1000 versus $2000.
That being said, its usually very high build quality, at least aesthetically. It also uses a fisher-price operating system that some love.
If you think the OS and aesthetics are worth having a worse computer for your money, go for it. If you're debating that Macs aren't really overpriced, you're factually wrong and a fanboy. No one is (or at least most people aren't) arguing that you don't pay a significant premium for Macs. But I do hate when people immediately dismiss any advantage macs might have. For some, especially when money isn't as much of a consideration, the superior build quality, screen, touchpad, and OS (yes, it is preference, but OSX does have some very nice things about it) are worth the money and tradeoffs. And for the standard user, excluding gaming, the negatives about macs are very few (basically, price, and OS depending on preference). um add incompatilibity with many many programs and apps, the inability to upgrade parts (which is huge actually) i also hate that macs try to be "different" in very superficial, annoying ways.. for example the placement of the "close buttons" or their retarded mouse, or the placement of the command key (copying and pasting is sooo awkward) and "basically" price? that's a mega disadvantage; it's akin to saying merc s classes's only disadvantage to toyata camry is "just" price. Price makes all the difference...
And i do not like ppl that still think you need to use a Mac mouse on a Mac, while you even do not get delivered a mouse with a laptop.
The command key is just button right of the original windowskey and it makes you problem? How you play Starcraft if you have even a problem with this 
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We intelligent people use "ctrl" key, which is left of the windows. Control C + V is way more natural and easier. Not to mention grouping units (esp. if you want to group to 1 or 2)
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On June 07 2010 12:04 Mykill wrote:
UPDATE:
I've already purchased a Samsung R480. It was $600 comes with Blu-Ray and Core i3. 4GB RAM. it runs well and so far i've been very happy with it.
Good choice! I fell for the Samsung R580.
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On July 15 2010 15:29 phosphorylation wrote:
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We intelligent people use "ctrl" key, which is left of the windows. Control C + V is way more natural and easier. Not to mention grouping units (esp. if you want to group to 1 or 2)
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We (more intelligent) people use the very same control key for grouping units. possible exception is when i#m grouping to 0, because then i use the right one.
Having the commando-key sit next to the spacebar is no problem for me at least, my thumb is easily flexible enough to switch to it while my index/middle finger presses x, c or v.
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On July 15 2010 15:13 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 14:58 theonemephisto wrote:On July 15 2010 13:57 Ndugu wrote:
I don't really see why this is such a debate.
Mac hardware is incredibly overpriced. It's usually around 1.5x what the equivalent parts would cost in a PC. That is being very generous. A while back a new Macbook line launched and I got a Asus laptop with the same exact specs as the Macbook Pro (slightly better videocard), and with blu-ray. It cost around $1000 versus $2000.
That being said, its usually very high build quality, at least aesthetically. It also uses a fisher-price operating system that some love.
If you think the OS and aesthetics are worth having a worse computer for your money, go for it. If you're debating that Macs aren't really overpriced, you're factually wrong and a fanboy. No one is (or at least most people aren't) arguing that you don't pay a significant premium for Macs. But I do hate when people immediately dismiss any advantage macs might have. For some, especially when money isn't as much of a consideration, the superior build quality, screen, touchpad, and OS (yes, it is preference, but OSX does have some very nice things about it) are worth the money and tradeoffs. And for the standard user, excluding gaming, the negatives about macs are very few (basically, price, and OS depending on preference). um add incompatilibity with many many programs and apps, the inability to upgrade parts (which is huge actually) i also hate that macs try to be "different" in very superficial, annoying ways.. for example the placement of the "close buttons" or their retarded mouse, or the placement of the command key (copying and pasting is sooo awkward) and "basically" price? that's a mega disadvantage; it's akin to saying merc s classes's only disadvantage to toyata camry is "just" price. Price makes all the difference...
Incompatability is an issue, but it's not nearly as big of one as some make it seem. I've had a mac for over 2 years now, and really the only times I've ever had compatibility issues was when I wanted to play games.
Upgrading parts is mostly for gamers. Really, you're not going to be needing to upgrade parts much, especially not on a laptop. And you can generally resell macs if you take good care of them.
Also, my mac's touchpad is better than any touchpad I've ever used or seen. Period. It is absolutely amazing, and honestly, I'd take a lot of those tradeoffs between a PC vs mac simply because I don't think I can go back to the touchpads I've seen on pretty much every non-mac laptop. And before you say it, I'm sure that there are great multitouch touchpads being put out there recently, but they're very rare and macs have had them for a while; definitely when I got this computer, the touchpad just absolutely blew me away.
I love my mac keyboard. And the command key actually feels much better to me now (in reality, it's just a getting used to it thing). In fact, I find it awkward to hit the control key on window's keyboards. The difference is that you hit the control key with your pinky, and you hit the command key with your thumb. It might just be the way that I angle my hand, but my left thumb is usually hovering over the left side of the spacebar anyways, and moving it to hit the command key (about .5-1 inches) is very natural and easy for me.
I'm just saying that some people here apparently think that everyone who buys a mac is an idiot and that no informed person would ever do so. That's not true. Macs have some distinct advantages that few other companies can offer. And yes, you're going to pay a premium (though that comparison was a bit of a stretch don't you think? it's not quite up to the price difference between a mercedes and a toyota), but for some people it's worth it.
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If you have a lot of time, not a lot of money, can build your own computer and do your own tech support and you play a lot of games then a PC is clearly the way to go. That's a minuscule percent of the population.
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i think mac will get better as more software developers make good software that also work in mac, but for now PC is wayyy more compatible with a lot more stuff.
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Here at my internship, everyone with a MAC has their hard-drive die almost every couple of years. Macs have a purpose but in my opinion it's strictly business. They are expensive and not worth it, I could build a faster PC for less than half the price.
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