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Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 02:32:55
May 22 2010 02:27 GMT
#81
Craig Venter is the new Charles Darwin.

He's also working on the idea of incorporating synthetic (i.e. not A, G, T, or C) nucleotides into DNA. The new codons could be used to code for synthetic amino acids, meaning you could theoretically create proteins that could not possibly be created by life as we know it so far.

Imagine growing an organism on the moon that gets its energy from solar radiation, it's nutrients from rocks, and spits out hydrocarbons as byproducts.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24752 Posts
May 22 2010 02:47 GMT
#82
On May 22 2010 11:26 mmp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 10:23 aced wrote:
would this be able to cure aids?


So quick to nuke...

Craig Venter mentioned in his press announcement combating HIV as an objective on the horizon. I'd give it 30-50 years.

I don't think he was banned because of this post... it was from previous accounts.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43436 Posts
May 22 2010 04:23 GMT
#83
On May 22 2010 10:43 ArKaDo wrote:
Yeah seem very interessant and dangerous.
What is life is NOT a biological question, it's a philosophical one... that's the problem in my point of view.

Seriously, the idea of "improving evolution", and "improving people" is very very scary.

Anyway LOL at the guy saying you actually need to know biology to say this is dangerous : you are morons.
And LOL at the guy saying "improving evolution" is the same as medecine...

Can't you see that it is a dangerous idea just to "improve evolution"; cauz you need to define what you need to improve (need two legs? change dna so that people are not violent? just read Huxley guys...).

PS: when the guy is saying "playing god" he is not referring to god like the christian or islamic god or anything (well maybe he is but that is not the point), he is referring to an entity who is omnipotent: who knows everything and can control everything. That's not the case of humanity and will never be. When you look at the possibilities of synthetic life, you can also (if you have a bit imagination) see all the bad that could come from such technologies.
I will just quote spider man since that's the kind of quote you like you science freek: with great power come great responsabilities.

I thought they had schools in France. :S
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1660 Posts
May 22 2010 04:29 GMT
#84
ho man, creating oil would be the worst idea ever.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 22 2010 04:44 GMT
#85
Cool.
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madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
May 22 2010 04:56 GMT
#86
I wonder how religious organizations are going to react to this. there was a paragraph in the OP about ethics but I thnk this is huge landmark event ethically.
AeroGear
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 05:32:55
May 22 2010 05:32 GMT
#87
Transferring genetic material from one cell to another is relatively old news, its pretty similar to how cloning works, altough in the case of cloning you'd transfer the nuclei rather than extract it, sequence it and use a PCR to create a copy of it (its pretty old tech).

They arent engineering a new bacteria, its just about being able to copy/paste some already existing genome. Its quite another thing to understand the dynamics of the genes contained in a genome to create a completly new and unexisting organism. They've been studying drosophilia (fruit fly?) genome for decades and they probably havent figured 10% of it.
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The_Voidless
Profile Joined March 2010
United States184 Posts
May 22 2010 05:49 GMT
#88
I guess new things like this always pushes the bounds of ethics and religion but the worst thing to do would be get radical in kill the scientist, like they did the Russian geneticist because they thought they were playing god.
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snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
May 22 2010 05:51 GMT
#89
This is the beginning of SkyNet.

Lord have mercy.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 22 2010 05:52 GMT
#90
On May 22 2010 08:56 FragKrag wrote:
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On May 22 2010 08:35 On_Slaught wrote:
Doesn't this allow scientists to bypass stem cells? Usually you need cells from a fetus to have cells to work with but it seems this would allow us to create advanced solutions without relying upon the volatile issue that is stem cell research.


If stems cells are volatile, this would be like putting nitroglycerin in a blender


stem cells dont just explode by themselves are u stupid fragkrag
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Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
May 22 2010 06:30 GMT
#91
This hardly qualifies as "Synthetic" life. I'll save that description for when we actually start designing and building new proteins from the ground up.
mrproper
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania93 Posts
May 22 2010 08:11 GMT
#92
On May 22 2010 14:32 AeroGear wrote:
They arent engineering a new bacteria, its just about being able to copy/paste some already existing genome. Its quite another thing to understand the dynamics of the genes contained in a genome to create a completly new and unexisting organism. They've been studying drosophilia (fruit fly?) genome for decades and they probably havent figured 10% of it.

Actually, they are.

They wrote the code from scratch, using a limited number of existing genes to create a brand new genome. Two years ago they just regenerated the genome of a bacteria by artificially building the DNA molecule. Now they created a new DNA sequence (new species) using software.

Intelligently Designed life exists :D
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
May 22 2010 09:02 GMT
#93
On May 22 2010 15:30 Biochemist wrote:
This hardly qualifies as "Synthetic" life. I'll save that description for when we actually start designing and building new proteins from the ground up.

With regards to scientific development this is a very small step on a long road and labeling it synthetic is not quite right. However, this experiment shows that mankind can actually play for god. A cell does not need to get its DNA by replication within a cell. We can create DNA that a cell will use, just fine. This goes against the belief that life is more special than humans can comprehend, so special that the divine must be the source. In this context I think it is quite fine to call the result of this experiment 'synthetic life'.
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gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
May 22 2010 09:45 GMT
#94
A lot of scientists don't even believe HIV exists. AIDS is hardly understood.

Even the ones who don't agree HIV is the only thing going on with AIDS, still agree HIV exists.


Imagine growing an organism on the moon that gets its energy from solar radiation, it's nutrients from rocks, and spits out hydrocarbons as byproducts.

Are you suggesting that they would be able to transmute something that isn't hydrogen/carbon/oxygen into something that is?
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Kashmir
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand178 Posts
May 22 2010 10:18 GMT
#95
On May 22 2010 02:43 buhhy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 02:39 sixghost wrote:
On May 22 2010 02:24 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Just don't let blizzard get ahold of this.

How else will they finally film their Starcraft movie? They have to grow actual zerg.


But if you get a synthetic body part, Blizzard will claim ownership of it. :/


Zing!
Nobody is perfect. I am nobody. Therefore, I am perfect.
sKylo
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany6 Posts
May 22 2010 10:25 GMT
#96
This is how the zerg will be created
doppelt!
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
May 22 2010 10:30 GMT
#97
What this is is a small technical step along the road to something that has a lot of potential.
What it definitely is NOT is the creation of synthetic life.
I like Ventor but in this case I feel he's just playing to the media to hype his project and maybe to get his noble prize (which I think he probably deserves). There are no new ethical concerns attached to this particular advancement, the media hype has just re-ignited issues that were already present.

For me a far more impressive step would be if they manage to design a larger strand of DNA and alter a bacteria in an entirely new way to do something useful for mankind.

What they've done is like the equivalent of showing you can store charge in a vacuum tube... until you use that to actually make a computer it's not really a monumental step.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 22 2010 11:15 GMT
#98
This is a monumental step.
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Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 11:59:49
May 22 2010 11:57 GMT
#99
--- Nuked ---
KungKras
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden484 Posts
May 22 2010 12:10 GMT
#100
Still a long way to go before I can have my pet dragon.
"When life gives me lemons, I go look for oranges"
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