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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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KwarK
United States44233 Posts
On April 06 2010 02:42 ZeeTemplar wrote: gorilla tactics There is only one gorilla tactic. Macro. On August 24 2006 13:04 Hot_Bid wrote: Iloveoov: oov like banana. you give oov banana. oov macro. oov win. | ||
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reit
Canada209 Posts
On April 06 2010 02:57 KwarK wrote: As much as I respect freedom of speech there ought to be limits imposed simply for the purpose of engaging in a rational debate. I mean where do I even start on trying to explain how silly this post is!? I'll happily argue with someone who believes the opposite as me but you're not even living in the real world. Any attempt to argue with you would be poisoned by the sheer volume of nonsense you're producing. The only rational approach is to ignore you which means you're just wasting page space. If you're not trolling, and I've seen less stupid opinions voiced as intentional trolls before, then please attempt to moderate yourself. So basically you have nothing to say? KwarK's thought process: 1) Skim through posts 2) Find a poster you disagree with 3) Proceed to say he doesn't know what he's talking about, without actually touching on any of the points or facts raised 4) ??????? 5) PROFIT! | ||
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
On April 06 2010 02:50 BlackJack wrote: There's clearly at least 4 people carrying something. The first 2 guys they show are the reporters with the cameras. The next 2 guys they show it looks like one of them is carrying an AK and another is carrying an RPG. Am I really the only person that sees these weapons or is everyone else neglecting to mention it? No i totally agree with you. Look at my post above. There is definitely at least 2 people with what look to be ak's and maybe even the RPG. People ask why they would fire? Because they are supposed to be keeping the peace and organized insurgents with ak 47's in a zone they are patrolling and RPG's possibly that can shoot down the Apache are a huge threat. Can we all just ignore Reit's comments. None of them are sensical and he is just trolling to the max. Kwark just ignore him. His comments are irrational. Also Kwark the army in alot of the sense is not scraping the bottom of the barrel for that reason. Some people join to serve, but mostly it is a poverty draft. | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
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KwarK
United States44233 Posts
On April 06 2010 03:02 reit wrote: So basically you have nothing to say? KwarK's thought process: 1) Skim through posts 2) Find a poster you disagree with 3) Proceed to say he doesn't know what he's talking about, without actually touching on any of the points or facts raised 4) ??????? 5) PROFIT! Your posts are so devoid of contact with the real world that I wouldn't know where to begin. Taking an annoying internet meme hasn't raised the level any either. | ||
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
On April 06 2010 02:57 KissBlade wrote: The US is trying to wage a war on a belief. As many colonial powers know those wars never end in favor of the aggressor. Yes i have said this for soooo long. You can't wage war on a belief. It is lunacy to expect to eradicate it. At least we have started the exodus from one country, and hopefully we will soon be leaving the other. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i44.tinypic.com/2vj756p.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/aph1kz.jpg) I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting for the next page since people don't seem to watch the video. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
This video was disturbing. But this is not the first time things like this happen, everytime a genocide occurs, these tragedies and crimes always occur. Listening to their dialogue and how little they cared about human life was simply disturbing. The media is horrible in general and needs to be much better, and actually cover things like this all over the world with no agenda. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On April 06 2010 03:07 samachking wrote: Listening to their dialogue and how little they cared about human life was simply disturbing. On April 06 2010 02:19 Hawk wrote: Having to deal with killing people all day isn't gonna exactly make you a ball of sunshine or something... should our soldiers be weeping like menstrating women every time they discharge a round? Jesus. I don't understand how people can be applying morals and ethics to soldiers in a war zone filled with suicide bombings and shit. Edit: Sorry I was quoting Hawk as a response to samachking. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On April 06 2010 03:12 Southlight wrote: I don't understand how people can be applying morals and ethics to soldiers in a war zone filled with suicide bombings and shit. Edit: Sorry I was quoting Hawk as a response to samachking. The two posts do not counter each other. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On April 06 2010 03:12 Southlight wrote: I don't understand how people can be applying morals and ethics to soldiers in a war zone filled with suicide bombings and shit. Edit: Sorry I was quoting Hawk as a response to samachking. I agree, wtf are you trying to prove here people? | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On April 06 2010 03:14 KissBlade wrote: The two posts do not counter each other. If you want a paraphrase: Samachking: omg these soldiers are killing people and not showing any remorse, fuck Americans! Hawk: they're soldiers, what are you expecting. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On April 06 2010 03:18 Southlight wrote: If you want a paraphrase: Samachking: omg these soldiers are killing people and not showing any remorse, fuck Americans! Hawk: they're soldiers, what are you expecting. Maybe you should read his post instead of making up his post in your head on what you thought you read. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On April 06 2010 01:56 Liquid`NonY wrote: I don't see reason for outrage here. I don't know whether you saw the video or not, because I see alot of reason for outrage. I'm surprised anyone defends this. I'm not american and I know the States comes under alot of fire for it's actions overseas. However, if Australian armed forces massacred a group of civilians in another country I'd be pretty horrified. To those saying that it was hard to tell from that distance what the journalists were holding, I'd say this: all you see from the video is that they have straps over their shoulders. If that's enough to open fire on a bunch of people calmly and slowly walking around in broad daylight then how are you safe carrying a bag or anything with a shoulder strap? Also, if you can't tell if your firing at a bunch of insurgents carrying weapons or civilians walking around - then that might be a good time not to engage. If you're going to pretend that you try to minimise civilian casualties like Major Brent Cummings does in his press statement then this video is a shocking indictment. It clearly shows the soldiers were lacking in judgement and negligent in their duty. If 8 western civilians were gunned down in this matter it'd be a major controversy. Lastly when they open fire on the van - it's a van. And they falsely report that the people exiting the van are picking up "wounded and guns" when moments before they are busily searching for weapons themselves and haven't identified anyone yet reaching or holding a weapon. Terrible. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On April 06 2010 03:18 KissBlade wrote: Maybe you should read his post instead of making up his post in your head on what you thought you read. no, it was a pretty good paraphrase, and even if it wasn't it's still a valid point. | ||
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reit
Canada209 Posts
Guess they're preparing the cannonfodder for when it's time to march on their own country. Shoot first, cover-up the mess after. And lol at KwarK ... I'm sorry that you can't accept to face reality. The invasion was based on forgery, lies and propaganda. If you don't agree with that, it's not a question of opinion, it's simply denial of facts. I pointed out that: - The governing class in America (as in the majority of Western countries) controls education. - The media looped stories about Iraq acquiring nuclear weapons, which we now know to be a lie, based on fake documents (google Nigerian Yellow Cake). - The media also managed to link Iraq with terrorism and 9/11, another total lie, which the public bought (that kool-aid tasted great!) - There is a critical mass of "idiots" in the army, grunts that don't think about what they do, they just do it. - Most of these grunts have never experienced the world, or even stepped out of the US before, their views of the world are based on sub-par elementary and high school education (and let's be honest, most of the American youth has much more knowledge and interest for the latest MTV reality show than to learn about the world we live in) - Not being the president doesn't mean you don't hold responsability, America claims to be the spearhead of freedom and democracy, well then if the government is run by the people, for the people, the people are RESPONSIBLE for the death of each and every Iraqi civilian. - They could coldly murder kids and women and have a giggle about it (if you haven't seen the vids, you've dug your head in the sand, Iraq is a fucking genocide at this point). Where is the "cut off from reality part?". If you can't argue but don't want to agree, just ignore my posts like you ignore the truth. Of course, genocide is called nation building when America does it. I'd love to see the outrage if China was bombing a US "terrorist camp" and accidentally killed a half dozen civilians. You'd have people tearing their shirts on the public place screaming at the injustice of this. I'd like to say you'd have people blowing themselves up on chinese troops but I don't think the average American has any balls, I mean they won't even rise against tyranny taking over their country... But it's ok in Iraq, it's lowly sandniggers, right? | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On April 06 2010 03:21 starfries wrote: no, it was a pretty good paraphrase, and even if it wasn't it's still a valid point. Actually it wasn't. Reread Samachking's post. If anything, it's more or less saying the same thing Hawk was except he expressed more sympathy on the matter. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www3.ausa.org/chapweb/tdc/assets/images/US_Army_Logo.gif){kind=logo} MAKING THE WORLD A SAFER PLACE! unless you are African, Arab, south-east Asian, have a brownish/black coloring or we have you on our sights for any reason. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On April 06 2010 03:18 Southlight wrote: If you want a paraphrase: Samachking: omg these soldiers are killing people and not showing any remorse, fuck Americans! Hawk: they're soldiers, what are you expecting. I never said anything about americans. You are putting words in my mouth. I only said this is completely disturbing. Most people in war do this, especially in positions of power(see My Lai,Nanking massacare,The Holocaust,Rwandian Genocide), and many genocides that were done before were much worse, and many worse are going on in Africa right now which no media company actually puts up. Why are you attacking me I don't know. If you don't think this is disturbing something is probably wrong with you. I never put race into it. I only said humanity in power when in war. | ||
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