EPTAnd why the hell are they even shooting the van?
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majohanimo
Germany19 Posts
And why the hell are they even shooting the van? | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 06 2010 01:56 Liquid`NonY wrote: I don't see reason for outrage here. yea as opposed for reps fro TSI not being posted immediately after the games have been played. Now thats a tragedy. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On April 06 2010 01:52 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: it just seems pisses me off to fucking hell when its a drama when a western guy gets killed but when 1000 arabs get killed it doesnt matter at all. Do you know many westerners named Saeed Chmagh and Namir Noor-Eldeen | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On April 06 2010 01:52 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: well apparently they dont matter nearly as much. ... so it seems like a us/citizen is like 100 times as much worth as a arab. ... this is hypocrisy at its best and most disgusting level. ... it just seems pisses me off to fucking hell when its a drama when a western guy gets killed but when 1000 arabs get killed it doesnt matter at all. *When someone is killed by a murderer* Well, apparently they don't matter as much. It seems like your own family is like 100 times as much worth as someone else's. This is hypocrisy at its best and most disgusting level. It just pisses me off to fucking hell when it's a drama when your own family gets killed by when like 1000 other people get killed it doesn't matter (to you) at all. | ||
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Puosu
7086 Posts
On April 06 2010 01:56 Liquid`NonY wrote: I don't see reason for outrage here. Ya maybe because its not really news. Since the dawn of time idiots have been idiots and have shot at innocent people without really having enough information to even go through with it, yet they've done it. Since the dawn of time those idiots have been hiding the facts while making sure every single bad thing the opposing force does is in the first page of the newspapers all over the world. | ||
Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On April 06 2010 01:48 Hawk wrote: The guy being trigger happy has absolutely no bearing on it at all. He ultimately got clearance. That's all he needs. From that distance, you can't be sure at all what he's carrying, and it sure as shit looks like some kind of weapon. The part at 16:00 where they super zoom to the truck and try to make it like the two objects in the van look are clearly distinguishable as children is fucking stupid. I don't agree with the war at all in the slightest bit, but I'm sorry, this is nothing more than rueters playing victim here and trying to make the Americans look like they did something wrong here. They got clearance to fire on a questionable target. There is no way at all to verify that there was children in the van. Everything checks out here and it's an unfortunate circumstance. Anyone who says otherwise isn't even trying to be objective Yeah that's what I'm trying to say. It sucks, but you can't see, and it's war.... they did the right thing here. You don't wait until there's a fucking rpg coming at the chopper windshield to return fire. I think the trigger happiness is a problem. We can't have troops in war situations wanting to kill. However, your point about the RPG does stand. However, I wouldn't say the Apache was in imminent danger, simply because it seemed like it was really, really far away from the "targets", and RPGs aren't exactly the most reliable weapons at long range... Another problem occurs when you realize that this is merely a video of one incident of many. If other incidents like these are caused by soldiers with the same mentality, then we have a pretty big problem. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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Pervect
1280 Posts
On April 06 2010 02:07 wishbones wrote: its at times like these i wish i cud find those americans soldiers families and murder them with a blade (PERIOD) i wud do it, just pay for me airfare, give me addresses, and a few handy guns. Ill shoot the whole team involveds parents, his kids, and his wife. wait no kids or wife, those were not dead victims. Really, really hope you're just trolling. | ||
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reit
Canada209 Posts
this wont ever stop, nothing will be done, they drink the kool-aid from mainstream media and wont ever stand up until the knife's under their throat, sheeple are fucking dumb, theyre brainwashed into mass consumption and mass entertainment, not into thinking critically about the world around them. they could give 2 fucks about Iraq, what happens in Tiger Woods' bed is much more important. cowards cowards cowards | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On April 06 2010 02:04 EtherealDeath wrote: I understand that once the firing begins, firing on a van that comes to pick the wounded up may be necessary wat? so when innocents get shot and other innocents try to help them its ok to kill em? wow... | ||
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reit
Canada209 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32159 Posts
On April 06 2010 01:59 Mystlord wrote: I think the trigger happiness is a problem. We can't have troops in war situations wanting to kill. However, your point about the RPG does stand. However, I wouldn't say the Apache was in imminent danger, simply because it seemed like it was really, really far away from the "targets", and RPGs aren't exactly the most reliable weapons at long range... Another problem occurs when you realize that this is merely a video of one incident of many. If other incidents like these are caused by soldiers with the same mentality, then we have a pretty big problem. How is trigger happiness an issue if they're following protocol?? Most normal civies couldn't be put in that situation, and I think finding a solider who isn't trigger happy is simply impossible, given the circumstances. These dudes face IEDs, ambushes and the like on a daily basis. Someone who isn't attentive and ready to shoot an enemy at a moment's notice is a liability to an entire unit, platoon or whatever. I agree, the apache was not necessarily in immediate, shoot without question danger. Still, it was certainly within range that a lucky random shot could kill them. Plus, there was American groundtroops in the area. I don't know the exact protocol, but I'm sure the military doesn't want enemies it believes to be armed just floating around openly with weapons. at any rate, thank you for being one of the few people who watched the vid and responded rationally. It's really apparent most people didn't watch, because you can't tell what they're carrying, or that people are just letting their emotions and strong opinions about the war make their judgement... | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
Really, what makes them think they can invade another country just cause they 'assume' they have nuclear weapons. Maybe im not the right one to say such a thing but US keeps doing stupid stuff. | ||
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Eben
United States769 Posts
On April 06 2010 02:11 reit wrote: it began cause americans are idiots and cowards and their military forces is a representative sample of their idiotic population this wont ever stop, nothing will be done, they drink the kool-aid from mainstream media and wont ever stand up until the knife's under their throat, sheeple are fucking dumb, theyre brainwashed into mass consumption and mass entertainment, not into thinking critically about the world around them. they could give 2 fucks about Iraq, what happens in Tiger Woods' bed is much more important. cowards cowards cowards While some Americans are like that not all of us are. | ||
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
Nah, this kind of shit just makes people really angry.. that's all. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On April 06 2010 02:12 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: wat? so when innocents get shot and other innocents try to help them its ok to kill em? wow... And how do you know that they are innocent. Usually innocent people don't run into a battle, however one sided that one was. Edit: and as the above poster mentioned, the helicopter trooped lied about the van peoples' actions, such that it portrayed an image which suggested insurgent reinforcements to the people back at command who then gave them clearance to engage. | ||
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
How is trigger happiness an issue if they're following protocol?? Most normal civies couldn't be put in that situation, and I think finding a solider who isn't trigger happy is simply impossible, given the circumstances. These dudes face IEDs, ambushes and the like on a daily basis. Someone who isn't attentive and ready to shoot an enemy at a moment's notice is a liability to an entire unit, platoon or whatever. its one thing following protocol and trying to save your/your buddies lifes BUT its a totally different thing when the guy enjoys what he is doing. remember those blackwater(?) vids of guys sniping people from far away and giggling going " lol thats like duck shooting rofl :D" . people like that should be shot in both knees with their own gun and then put into prison forever. and not be responsible for "safety" in a country they hate. | ||
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