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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 14 2014 02:20 GMT
#1061
Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto clearly sees his epochal economic reforms as his legacy. Yet for the growing number of Mexican citizens taking to the streets, what stands out is his government’s failure to protect them.

That failure is reflected in the widespread anguish and outrage over the disappearance of 43 students on Sept. 26. The victims were kidnapped in Iguala, the third-biggest city in Guerrero, one of Mexico’s poorest and most violent states. The accused are a vicious, all-too-familiar cabal of criminal gangs, police, and local officials. Iguala’s mayor, who reportedly instigated the assault, and his wife, whose family belonged to a narco gang that supplies heroin to the U.S., have been arrested. So were 36 police officers suspected of being on the gang’s payroll.

Peña Nieto had resolutely tried to divert attention from Mexico’s epic mayhem to its economic potential, pointing to a declining homicide rate as proof that things are getting better. But the numbers are sketchy, reflecting a decline in big gang feuds more than effective policing. When he took office two years ago, Peña Nieto pledged to focus more on reducing crime and violence than on dismantling drug-trafficking organizations. Unfortunately, as a forthcoming Brookings Institution report details, his efforts to differentiate his approach from that of his predecessor have amounted to little more than a redrawing of the org chart.

If Peña Nieto wants his constituents to feel and be safer, he should pursue reform of Mexico’s existing police forces with the vigor, commitment, and ingenuity he has brought to opening its energy and telecommunications markets. Police, after all, are a state’s most visible face. In Mexico, however, they are mostly a source of fear and contempt: In 2010, for instance, 90 percent of Mexicans said they had little or no confidence in their local police, and 75 percent said the same about federal police.

The Iguala case illuminates many aspects of the problem, beginning with pay. According to one investigator, the police were being paid $460 a month by the city—and $770 a month by their gang bosses, despite a decree that all Mexican police be vetted for corruption and links to organized crime by October 2013. Even when there’s scrutiny, the process lacks credibility: In crime-ridden Chihuahua state, for instance, 98 percent of a 12,000-person force was found to pass muster.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 15 2014 02:46 GMT
#1062
Forensic experts in Mexico have identified the body of a Ugandan Catholic priest among the remains found in a mass grave last month.

Father John Ssenyondo had been missing since being kidnapped in south-western Guerrero state six months ago.

The grave was located by federal police looking for 43 students who went missing in the area on 26 September.

The case of the missing trainee teachers caused outrage in Mexico and prompted a nationwide search.

DNA tests carried out earlier this month suggested that the bodies in the hidden grave near the town of Ocotitlan - where Father Ssenyondo's remains were found- were not of the students.

Father Ssenyondo was abducted on 30 April by unknown gunmen, who blocked a road and forced him into their car.


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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-15 04:17:34
November 15 2014 04:14 GMT
#1063
What do you guys feel, when the University in Austria confirms DNA tests , will there be a nationwide response (as in civil war)?

Mexicans have fought back with the cartels in the past, and given the extension of the protests right now, i can imagine that when the results come and identify as positive the response of the whole mexican people against the government will not be a light one. (im not even sure right now if i can say there is a difference between the govt and the cartels, their members might well be way high up in the chain)

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miky_ardiente
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico387 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-15 18:18:02
November 15 2014 04:50 GMT
#1064
nothing needs to be confirmed, everyone here already knows it was the state who did it.

and no, nothing will happen, a civil war is very unlikely, the vast mayority of mexicans are still to ignorant or dumb to care, hell theres even people that eat up what the corrupt goverment said, that the students were drug dealers and were going to attack lol

i would say only 1/3 of the population has awekened, the other 2/3 still dont care cuz they think it doesnt affect them or believe things cant change (cuz their idiots).

you are right about the govt and the cartels being the same, pri party has been with them pretty much since forever, and pan and prd joined them later, the problem began when calderon sold the "territories" to all the big cartels so they started fighting each other over them. If hell exists i assure u that bastard will be on it.

there is currently a group that are planning a pacific resistance movement and a national strike for nov 20 but honestly i dont think were many enough to have an impact.
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-15 11:55:45
November 15 2014 10:46 GMT
#1065
youre part of the movement on the 20th ? respect

ive read some of your prev posts here, so the country is pretty much led by organised crime and narcos at the moment, right? and they call themselves "government"
thats quite... mindblowing

also i dont think legalizing drugs in mexico would be the solution, i think that would just lead to gangs reorienting their main activity to extortion - kidnapping etc - and stealing the oil from the pipes. ive seen a Vice report on youtube on how the gangs are stealing the oil, like in a few hours during the night they extract $10k worth of oil

i think at this point what you need is an external army involvement that should open fire on the cartels bigtime, but thats not going to happen. but not the US - there are nowadays private military organisations, that you literally hire on contract. like, instead of ordering a pizza, you order your own personal army

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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-15 13:26:42
November 15 2014 13:26 GMT
#1066
The “normalistas” are not appeased. They are sending caravans of protesters to states throughout Mexico, promising to torch 43 more government buildings—one for each missing student.

Although some polls show that public support for the protests is declining, it remains an open question whether the movement gathers momentum and sparks genuine change or whether it will fizzle and be forgotten.

During a Thursday telephone interview, a representative of the “normalistas” from Ayotzinapa told Fox News Latino, “We are sending caravans [of protesters] to Chiapas, to Morelos, and also to states in the north. Then we will all congregate in Mexico City on the 20th [of November].”


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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-16 10:29:55
November 16 2014 10:29 GMT
#1067
not sure if this was already mentioned on the thread, its from september but its related

Mexican Drug Cartels Are Using Social Media Apps to Commit Virtual Kidnappings


According to Carl Pike, assistant special agent in charge at the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Special Operations Division in Mexico, People tend to stereotype—and underestimate—the Mexican drug cartels. “They almost equate them to the old mafia movies, like for some reason they think criminal organizations don’t evolve and they’re not current,” he tells me. “It’s not that at all. Especially when you talk about the Mexican cartels, they’re just as savvy as any corporation or any government in the world in what they would use. So when the kids are using WhatsApp or whatever the latest communication is, that’s what the cartels are using, too.”
...
The DEA is currently investigating how criminals are using Snapchat, which offers obvious benefits to organized crime members who might want to share important but damning information—or send a quick threat that a victim won’t be able to show authorities before it disappears. And according to the Mexico City cyber cops who issued the WhatsApp alert, at least some of those contacted do actually pay up.
...
“For it to be a successful scam, the culprits have to put on a theater; they have to intimidate their target,” Reed says. “The more information they know, the more realistic their threat is going to appear to the target.” When someone posts on Facebook that he is traveling, for example, that person becomes an easy mark. “If we can keep him isolated we can call his family, who knows he’s traveling to Cancun, and say he’s been kidnapped.”
...
“Social media has really helped out virtual kidnappings—it’s provided a wealth of information that extortionists need,” Reed says. “Research on your target is critical for an extortionist or kidnapper and platforms like Facebook or Twitter feeds have placed all the information they need in one place.”



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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 16 2014 16:52 GMT
#1068
(CNN) -- Prosecutors in the Mexican state of Guerrero said Friday they have formally charged former Iguala Mayor Jose Luis Abarca in the disappearance of 43 students.

Abarca is described as the "probable mastermind" in the September 26 disappearance of the students. He is charged with six counts of aggravated homicide and one count of attempted homicide, the state attorney's office said.

Authorities said the students -- mostly men in their 20s studying to be teachers -- were abducted by police in September at Abarca's direction. Police killed some students, and the rest are believed to have been turned over to gang members to be executed, Mexican Attorney General Jesus Murillo Karam has said.

The men's bodies were burned, and some remains were thrown in a river.

The students were traveling to Iguala to protest a lack of funding for their school.

Officials have said that Abarca ordered the city's police chief to stop the demonstration out of concern it would disrupt one of his own events.


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Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
November 16 2014 23:20 GMT
#1069
On November 15 2014 19:46 xtorn wrote:
youre part of the movement on the 20th ? respect

ive read some of your prev posts here, so the country is pretty much led by organised crime and narcos at the moment, right? and they call themselves "government"
thats quite... mindblowing

also i dont think legalizing drugs in mexico would be the solution, i think that would just lead to gangs reorienting their main activity to extortion - kidnapping etc - and stealing the oil from the pipes. ive seen a Vice report on youtube on how the gangs are stealing the oil, like in a few hours during the night they extract $10k worth of oil

i think at this point what you need is an external army involvement that should open fire on the cartels bigtime, but thats not going to happen. but not the US - there are nowadays private military organisations, that you literally hire on contract. like, instead of ordering a pizza, you order your own personal army

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LaSD8oFBZE


That will also only lead to a spiral of violence.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 18 2014 16:39 GMT
#1070
MORELIA, Mexico—If you want to know about the Mexican priest Padre Gregorio López, first of all you need to know that his parish is located in the small city of Apatzingán, at the heart of a region in southern Mexico known as a fiefdom of the Knights Templar drug cartel. Then you need to know that he considers it his religious obligation to drive the cartel out of the city and out of the state of Michoacán.

The lengths to which the padre is willing to go to achieve that end have carried his reputation far beyond the rough-and-tumble region known as Tierra Caliente, so named for an average annual temperature that rounds down to 95 degrees.

Land theft, the extortion of farmers, and the rise in kidnappings and murders were grievances left to simmer for years in the countryside. A year ago, in the fall of 2013, the frustration boiled over. Farming communities across the region rose up in arms, in some cases with guns and four-wheel-drive vehicles more in keeping with the army or a drug cartel than poor farmers.

In January, the president of Mexico put the law enforcement of Michoacán in trusteeship and a federal commission, once in place, began exerting pressure on the leaders of the self-defense movement to disarm and incorporate their ranks into a new rural police force. Most of the groups obliged. But the most authoritative spokesman for the movement, a surgeon named José Manuel Mireles, refused and continued to rally forces until the commission had him and 80 of his followers arrested in June for carrying unlicensed firearms.

Padre Goyo, as he is known to parishioners (Goyo is short for Gregorio), soon grew famous in the midst of this turmoil because of his straight talk and the occasional disclosures he made about public officials and the criminal underworld.

At a moment when Mexico is pretty desperate for heroes, when the disappearance of more than 40 students, allegedly at the hands of corrupt politicians, cops, and the cartels has inflamed the country, Goyo is just the kind of figure to capture the public imagination.

He is an animated, energetic man in his late forties, of average height and sturdy build with a high forehead, tan face, and dark hair winged with gray at the temples. He speaks in emphatic bursts, with the parish priest’s fondness for parables and jokes that bring a quick smile and a twinkle to his dark eyes when he sees he is understood. He was born to a humble family of farmers in a village of 500 not far from Apatzingán, majored in philosophy in Morelia and studied theology for four years at the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome. He speaks with the authority of a native of this land as well as the authority of priest.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 19 2014 22:31 GMT
#1071
Think of Schrödinger’s cat, a thought experiment in which a cat is left inside a box with a vial of poison. The vial may break and kill the cat. Or it might not. While the lid is closed, there is no way of knowing whether the vial broke. The cat can be thought both alive and dead. Either option is possible. Unless you open the box, you can’t really tell. This is Mexico today. Everything could be happening. Or nothing.

The country is in the midst of a crisis that, up until a few months ago, seemed unlikely. The government was passing structural and constitutional reforms in order to open up the state-owned oil company and to wrest education control from the teachers’ union, by changing the way they were evaluated, among other things. These changes earned widespread international acclaim. The Economist called President Enrique Peña Nieto’s election “Mexico’s moment.” In a cover story earlier this year, Time magazine proclaimed the president was “Saving Mexico.”

In retrospect, these supposedly monumental changes were built on a house of cards. The reforms came tumbling down almost as soon as the government tried to enact them. Oil, which makes up a third of Mexico’s revenue, has dropped in price and will continue to fall throughout 2015, according to local and international forecasts. Investors may not come flocking in as the government expected, despite efforts to privatize the oil industry, currently controlled entirely by Pemex, the state-owned oil company. The teachers are fighting back too and have stopped the enactment of the new laws in some states. And most important, Mexico’s weak rule of law, a subject no one was talking about until recently, has now garnered a global spotlight.


Tensions have come close to a breaking point over the last few weeks because of two different but equally gruesome events. First, in June the army executed 22 civilians in Tlatlaya, a small town in southeastern Mexico state. Officials said the military discovered a kidnapping ring during a scheduled patrol and fought the kidnappers, killing all of them. According to witnesses, however, those killed were not criminals, but the army executed them anyway. On Sept. 26, police killed six college students and 43 others went missing in Iguala, about 80 miles south of Mexico City. The 43 students were seized by local police and then reportedly handed over to a local drug cartel. Activists say the government worked alongside organized crime to abduct and then, in all likelihood, kill the students.

There have been few and contradictory answers. The government has given several press conferences and arrested almost 100 people, but nearly two months later, it cannot even confirm whether the missing students are dead or alive. Since October, thousands have taken to the streets in almost weekly protests. On Nov. 8, during a large and otherwise peaceful march to the Zócalo, the capital’s central square, a small group of people set fire to one of the doors of the National Palace, the president’s office. The flames were quickly contained, but the image circled the globe. Mexico was on fire.

A week later, investigators from Mexico City’s district attorney office who were responding to an alleged cellphone theft at the National Autonomous University fired shots, and a student was injured. Dozens of riot police were called in, and for a while it appeared the situation could quickly escalate — like almost everything else in Mexico at the moment.


A day later, as the president was en route to China for this year’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit, the online news site Aristegui Noticias broke a massive investigative story: Peña Nieto had built a private mansion with a cost of $6.5 million. That was not even the most important part of the story. Painted entirely white and dubbed the White House by the press, the mansion was built by Grupo Higa, a company that won most of the major infrastructure contracts in the state of Mexico while Peña Nieto was its governor and recently received another big contract, along with a Chinese consortium, to build the country’s first high-speed railway. The president abruptly canceled the contract a few hours before the news went online. But it was too little, too late.

His office later issued a statement saying the house was sold to his wife in monthly payments. No word on the clear conflict of interest; she bought a mansion built and financed specifically for her by one of the government’s main contractors. Like the case of missing students, Peña Nieto refused to talk about the issue on his seven-day international tour and only briefly addressed it at a press conference since he returned, off-handedly acknowledging that the story was published while he was away on business. During a small press conference on Tuesday, Peña Nieto went one step further. He characterized the reports as inaccurate and hinted that the reporters were not on board with “the national project,” suggesting they were trying to sabotage it.


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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
November 20 2014 20:31 GMT
#1072
Mexico missing students: Capital braced for mass protests

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Thousands of people are expected to take part in the march in the capital, which starts at 17:00 local time (23:00 GMT). Protests are also under way in other parts of Mexico and abroad.

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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 21:27:28
November 20 2014 21:26 GMT
#1073
Decoding Mexico's biggest criminal syndicates


The recent disappearance and assumed killing of 43 Mexican students from a teachers college in Guerrero state has again brought into the spotlight the pernicious influence of powerful drug gangs. The grisly incident was reportedly ordered by municipal officials and local police but executed by armed men linked to the Beltrán-Leyva organized crime syndicate.


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US asylum laws endanger Mexican victims of drug gangs




The Obama administration’s refusal to recognize the Mexican government’s complicity with criminal groups is making it nearly impossible for Mexicans fleeing violence to apply for asylum in the United States, according to legal experts.
...
In 2013, 93.8 percent of all crimes committed in Mexico went unreported or were not investigated, according to the Independent. The fact that these drug gangs operate with impunity indicates that the state is authorizing the crimes, Spector said.

“There has been bi-national conspiracy ever since the war on drugs began to intentionally conceal violence in Mexico,” said Spector.



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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14106 Posts
November 20 2014 22:51 GMT
#1074
I wonder if its time to consider american Military intervention into Mexico.
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Haato
Profile Joined March 2011
Mexico81 Posts
November 21 2014 04:58 GMT
#1075
Tons of people marched today all over the world for the 43 missing. I'm sure CC will cover it nicely.
Just got home from the one in Monterrey and it was pretty packed.
We had a facebook event with over 25,000 people "attending" get taken down. Guess they do think it makes a difference, unlike those two thirds of the population milky_ardiente was talking about who just bash us for being rowdy...

Anywho, there's some pics up on the US Uncut facebook page for y'all:
https://www.facebook.com/usauncut
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miky_ardiente
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico387 Posts
November 21 2014 05:36 GMT
#1076
...ah what a great day today it was, finally more people seems to be waking up
My anaconda dont want none... u know the rest
miky_ardiente
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico387 Posts
November 21 2014 05:57 GMT
#1077
On November 15 2014 19:46 xtorn wrote:
youre part of the movement on the 20th ? respect

ive read some of your prev posts here, so the country is pretty much led by organised crime and narcos at the moment, right? and they call themselves "government"
thats quite... mindblowing

also i dont think legalizing drugs in mexico would be the solution, i think that would just lead to gangs reorienting their main activity to extortion - kidnapping etc - and stealing the oil from the pipes. ive seen a Vice report on youtube on how the gangs are stealing the oil, like in a few hours during the night they extract $10k worth of oil

i think at this point what you need is an external army involvement that should open fire on the cartels bigtime, but thats not going to happen. but not the US - there are nowadays private military organisations, that you literally hire on contract. like, instead of ordering a pizza, you order your own personal army

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LaSD8oFBZE

thanks xtorn, its nice for us to see there are people outside who are interested on the matter, to all of u thanks a lot

legalizing drugs is no longer the issue, that ship has sailed long time ago, the cartel wars are not an independant problem per se, they are the symptom of a much bigger problem which is the corrupted goverment that has been making arrengements with them for decades

people are still claiming for a peaceful movement, the resign of epn, the whole congress, supreme cort of unjustice, etc
the only route i see for this is the national strike
My anaconda dont want none... u know the rest
miky_ardiente
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico387 Posts
November 21 2014 22:55 GMT
#1078
myself and another thousands of mexicans just got a new wallpaper :D

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My anaconda dont want none... u know the rest
miky_ardiente
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico387 Posts
November 21 2014 23:23 GMT
#1079
Here are some more photos of yesterday from different parts of the country


1. sign reads: "i dont want to be the 44"
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2.sign on the bottom right: "#im tired already" (in mock of general attorney murillo karam who said that on an interview)
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3.peaceful march in Oaxaca state
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4.I dont know where was this but its awesome
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5.Do a good action, Kill the PRI party. (Veracruz state)
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6.gotta love these pseudo anarchists, i wish they had real weapons
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7.lol this guys actually build a concrete wall just outside the door of the secretary of education office
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8. social networks warns about undercover govment agents doing riots so then the govement has an excusse to use full force
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9. fuck da police
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10.people celebrating the burn of our narco thief "president" figure
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sorry long post
source:http://aristeguinoticias.com/category/multimedia/fotos/ (mexican domain, beware of lag)
My anaconda dont want none... u know the rest
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 23:52:30
November 21 2014 23:44 GMT
#1080
dr dre is the name, still not loving police

you guys do what you gotta do and win the support of the army, which is now in the hands of the cartels
you manage to do that, THEN you can overthrow the system. until then its all gonna be lukewarm

btw, i am waiting for the Vice report on the riots, looks like they are working on it as we speak



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