Nodar Kumaritashvili lost control of his sled during training, went over the track wall and struck an unpadded steel pole near the finish line at Whistler Sliding Center. Paramedics and doctors were unable to revive the 21-year-old luger, who died at a hospital, the International Olympic Committee said.
So sad to hear, will cast a dark shadow over the olympics.
Sick. It's horrible that these things happen, but if the possibility wasn't there, then the thrill wouldn't be there either. I'm happy that I can get a kick just out of playing video games.
Unfortunate for something like this to happen before the Olympics even officially begin. There were actually several accidents during training today for both the bobsled and luge. Someone else had to be airlifted out but survived the accident. The track in Whistler is supposedly the most technically demanding and fastest track in the World.
I remember in the 2004 Olympics during the mens archery competition, an American pretty much had the gold medal locked up on his final shot, all he had to do was make a decent shot which was easy for somebody of his skill level, and he accidently shot at the wrong target. He ended up getting 0 points for the shot and finished in 8th place when he very easily could have had gold. That was heartbreaking, and at the time i considered that a tragedy. That, however, doesnt even compare to this... truly a terrible event and im sure there will be some sort of remembrance for him at the games.
wow, that really sucks Can't belive this is happening during such an event :/ I mean, it's the Olympics, not just a random sport show RIP and hope it won't happen again. This is scary as hell irl
On February 13 2010 09:18 duckhunt wrote: wow that video... why was there no guard rail or something on the track? T_T
I think when you are going 90 miles an hour on a little sled a gaurd rail isnt going to work.. my main question is why would they design a track so that could even happen... and why was the pole not padded... sigh i feel horrible right now. the opening ceremony starts soon as well...
very tragic event for someone so close to acheiving his goal and competing in the grandest stage of the Olympics..
however, it seems very odd that there isnt more of these happenings in this field.. I mean, it seems that its very easy for these things to happen - 1 wrong move or slight mis-adjustment during the sled-run and it could happen over and over.. like fish-tailing in a car, starts out as a meer wiggle, then progressively gets worse until the car is flipped over, and its hard to counter-act, at least in sledding, i presume.
Again though, very unfortunate. Condolences to his family.
On February 13 2010 09:18 duckhunt wrote: wow that video... why was there no guard rail or something on the track? T_T
I think when you are going 90 miles an hour on a little sled a gaurd rail isnt going to work.. my main question is why would they design a track so that could even happen... and why was the pole not padded... sigh i feel horrible right now. the opening ceremony starts soon as well...
i mean like a huge 10 foot rail on either side lol T_T i dno i guess it was just a freak accident
Fuck man that guy is a hero dieing doing what he loved. I can't believe that happened so tragic right before the Olympics omg. So hard to believe. WTF seriously.
Yeah, I saw this earlier. Honestly, I just clicked on it to read the story...but saw the pictures included...and now a fucking video. I wish people would fucking have some respect and keep that shit off the internet. People are hurting now because of this accident, and it's only making it 100000x worse that the entire world gets to see it now.
What dumb ass engineer thought it would be a good idea to put metal rails right next to the banks? Surely they would've thought someone would fly off those things eventually. There are other ways to hold up a roof (not that you even need one).
On February 13 2010 09:37 Kenny wrote: Yeah, I saw this earlier. Honestly, I just clicked on it to read the story...but saw the pictures included...and now a fucking video. I wish people would fucking have some respect and keep that shit off the internet. People are hurting now because of this accident, and it's only making it 100000x worse that the entire world gets to see it now.
Seriously..I wish media had a fucking brain.
Hiding things like this just makes it more likely for similar thing to happen in the future..
Some construction supervisor could see this and be inspired to make his workplace more safe for his employees.
It is not disrespectful to tell the story as it happened, with pictures and video if possible, unless you are like making phonecalls to his family or something.
If my death is the result of a preventable accident I hope it gets exposure too.
On February 13 2010 09:37 Kenny wrote: Yeah, I saw this earlier. Honestly, I just clicked on it to read the story...but saw the pictures included...and now a fucking video. I wish people would fucking have some respect and keep that shit off the internet. People are hurting now because of this accident, and it's only making it 100000x worse that the entire world gets to see it now.
Seriously..I wish media had a fucking brain.
I honestly don't see what's disrespectful about watching the video. This person died doing what they love and simply watching a video of it is one way to validate this. What is disrespectful is any inappropriate comments anonymous users are going to make about it, which would happen regardless if they saw the video or not. Either way, this is a terrible tragedy. Condolences to their family and friends. rest in peace.
On February 13 2010 09:37 Kenny wrote: Yeah, I saw this earlier. Honestly, I just clicked on it to read the story...but saw the pictures included...and now a fucking video. I wish people would fucking have some respect and keep that shit off the internet. People are hurting now because of this accident, and it's only making it 100000x worse that the entire world gets to see it now.
Seriously..I wish media had a fucking brain.
I completely agree to this. The videos and images do not need to be publicized as much like they are.. its a video of someones death.. its a terrible thing, and this video and pictures are on every single website right now... And I'm sure some people are watching it for.. other reasons..
Please keep the posts mannered, not like the idiot who posted the stupid poster of Cool Runnings. I'm not saying we all need to sob for this and become depressed, but at least show some respect... he was a 21 year old olympian with a dream. Show some respect...
On February 13 2010 09:37 Kenny wrote: Yeah, I saw this earlier. Honestly, I just clicked on it to read the story...but saw the pictures included...and now a fucking video. I wish people would fucking have some respect and keep that shit off the internet. People are hurting now because of this accident, and it's only making it 100000x worse that the entire world gets to see it now.
Seriously..I wish media had a fucking brain.
I completely agree to this. The videos and images do not need to be publicized as much like they are.. its a video of someones death.. its a terrible thing, and this video and pictures are on every single website right now... And I'm sure some people are watching it for.. other reasons..
Please keep the posts mannered, not like the idiot who posted the stupid poster of Cool Runnings. I'm not saying we all need to sob for this and become depressed, but at least show some respect... he was a 21 year old olympian with a dream. Show some respect...
this isnt about respect, this is a 21 year old kid who lost his life, because some fucking retard decided it was alright to slack off on an olympic track
how much would it have cost to pad the steel poles at the VERY LEAST. sickening that this shit happens.
and to the retard who posted that picture, you are disgrace enjoy your ban, and i hope they IP check your ass in case thats a smurf.
On February 13 2010 09:37 Kenny wrote: Yeah, I saw this earlier. Honestly, I just clicked on it to read the story...but saw the pictures included...and now a fucking video. I wish people would fucking have some respect and keep that shit off the internet. People are hurting now because of this accident, and it's only making it 100000x worse that the entire world gets to see it now.
Seriously..I wish media had a fucking brain.
I completely agree to this. The videos and images do not need to be publicized as much like they are.. its a video of someones death.. its a terrible thing, and this video and pictures are on every single website right now... And I'm sure some people are watching it for.. other reasons..
Please keep the posts mannered, not like the idiot who posted the stupid poster of Cool Runnings. I'm not saying we all need to sob for this and become depressed, but at least show some respect... he was a 21 year old olympian with a dream. Show some respect...
this isnt about respect, this is a 21 year old kid who lost his life, because some fucking retard decided it was alright to slack off on an olympic track
how much would it have cost to pad the steel poles at the VERY LEAST. sickening that this shit happens.
and to the retard who posted that picture, you are disgrace enjoy your ban, and i hope they IP check your ass in case thats a smurf.
Umm I really don't think he's gonna get banned for that.. most threads about someone passing away are much MUCH more disrespectful than that.
Even the kid with cancer that died had worse jokes from multiple people.
Why the fuck weren't the corners lifted or made tunnels?
That's what they do in corners, they lift them high or corner them so that he can't fucking get out of the track.
A romanian participant also has been injured yesterday on the same track. But she's fine and she can compete. However, the thing she told is that this track is very badly designed, more for show and less for safety.
Whistler was always a death trap, people keep dying there but it's $ so nothing is done. A kid in my senior HS year, last year died because of Whistler non-safety
On February 13 2010 09:55 Etherone wrote: this isnt about respect, this is a 21 year old kid who lost his life, because some fucking retard decided it was alright to slack off on an olympic track
how much would it have cost to pad the steel poles at the VERY LEAST. sickening that this shit happens.
Padding isn't going to do anything. The dude was going 140+kph - it's like padding the bumper of a car so it doesn't kill you when you run into speeding highway traffic. Nobody is slacking off. The tracks get faster and more difficult as the athletes' ability level increases, and there is a chance that by a freak accident you can exit the track during a crash.
Best idea would be to make higher sidewalls to the track, but then you lose light on the track as well which is never a good thing for safety or performance.
On February 13 2010 09:55 Etherone wrote: this isnt about respect, this is a 21 year old kid who lost his life, because some fucking retard decided it was alright to slack off on an olympic track
how much would it have cost to pad the steel poles at the VERY LEAST. sickening that this shit happens.
Padding isn't going to do anything. The dude was going 140+kph - it's like padding the bumper of a car so it doesn't kill you when you run into speeding highway traffic. Nobody is slacking off. The tracks get faster and more difficult as the athletes' ability level increases, and there is a chance that by a freak accident you can exit the track during a crash.
Best idea would be to make higher sidewalls to the track, but then you lose light on the track as well which is never a good thing for safety or performance.
I can sure as hell tell you it won't hurt. It's become very obvious from many Olympic athletes that this track is not fucking designed properly. When is the last time you heard big news of an Olympic Luger dying on a track? It's a dangerous sport, sure, but it's quite obvious this is a terrible fucking design.
To all of you that act that blowing this shit into the media isn't a bad thing..you are so desensitized to this it's sad. Someone dying (especially at a young age, but anyone really) is not OK to be streaming off to the masses. It DOES NOT help improve safety, news can do that alone. Pictures/Videos only help to sensationalize the event, not improve the current structure of it.
I watched the video purely on the basis of me thinking that he would like to see people doing what he did for a living and died in the pursuit of, but really, don't watch it. It will just make you hollow.
On February 13 2010 09:55 Etherone wrote: this isnt about respect, this is a 21 year old kid who lost his life, because some fucking retard decided it was alright to slack off on an olympic track
how much would it have cost to pad the steel poles at the VERY LEAST. sickening that this shit happens.
Padding isn't going to do anything. The dude was going 140+kph - it's like padding the bumper of a car so it doesn't kill you when you run into speeding highway traffic. Nobody is slacking off. The tracks get faster and more difficult as the athletes' ability level increases, and there is a chance that by a freak accident you can exit the track during a crash.
Best idea would be to make higher sidewalls to the track, but then you lose light on the track as well which is never a good thing for safety or performance.
I can sure as hell tell you it won't hurt. It's become very obvious from many Olympic athletes that this track is not fucking designed properly. When is the last time you heard big news of an Olympic Luger dying on a track? It's a dangerous sport, sure, but it's quite obvious this is a terrible fucking design.
Sure, it won't hurt, but it won't help either, so why bother? Again, compare it to padding a car bumper so people that play in highway traffic won't get hurt. I doubt you'll find any tracks with padding at every obstacle you could hit on the off chance you flew out of the track.
The only thing that has become obvious is that it's the fastest and most technical track in the world, and therefore is more dangerous than others.
Multiple competitors have been injured this week on this very same track. Those same people, who are all olympic quality, have stated that this track is too extreme.
This is NOT a normal course. Also, he didn't die instantly upon impact. If there had been heavy padding on the metal, his chances of survival would no doubt of been higher.
Whoever built that course needs to be hung in public.
"Hey guys lets put METAL POLES right after a high-risk curve."
This shit is so scary, the complete ignorance and lack of knowledge people have, have ended this mans life, and it was supposed to be his first olympic apperance.
On February 13 2010 11:47 Senx wrote: Whoever built that course needs to be hung in public.
"Hey guys lets put METAL POLES right after a high-risk curve."
This shit is so scary, the complete ignorance and lack of knowledge people have, have ended this mans life, and it was supposed to be his first olympic apperance.
Wow..
You serious?
Lake Placid
Lillehammer
Torino
Poles are sort of a necessity at a bobsled track...
Well..duh. Do you see the significant difference between these though? I don't see a wicked double curve followed 20 feet by a short bank and huge metal poles. Not denying other courses may not be designed properly either..THAT is sure eye opening to the world of safety.
Anyone know why this seems to be the only death in the General forum that people are getting butt-hurt over the lame jokes? I'm not saying it's cool to make shitty puns about anyones death, but I just feel this hypocrisy is laughable.
On February 13 2010 13:27 [X]Ken_D wrote: I don't agree with the design of the course.
The course allows greater speeds, but at the cost of decrease safety. I believe it would be better for all if it was design at a lower speed.
Imagine if this wasn't held in those other corrupt countries where they cut significant cost in construction so they can pocket the money.
A faster and more difficult course has a greater ability to separate the good from the great, which becomes increasingly necessary at international-level competition. At the top level of competition in many sports the level of danger and risk of injury ramps up, that's the nature of the game.
holy shit. was just reading in Time or some magazine about how members of the public can pay to try out the luge track in Lake Placid. Wasn't sure I'd be comfortable doing that. Especially not now
On February 13 2010 08:24 neobowman wrote: They need to implement safety measures like making the thing a complete tube if it's just training.
Thats a good question lol. Why can't they make the thing a tube like a water slide? That way these guys can't go flying off into the air at light speed.
On February 13 2010 12:42 Valentine wrote: Anyone know why this seems to be the only death in the General forum that people are getting butt-hurt over the lame jokes? I'm not saying it's cool to make shitty puns about anyones death, but I just feel this hypocrisy is laughable.
Yeah they played the video 3 times in a row on the news. Like wtf, we just saw this shit, don't need to see it again within 2 minutes.
Also how do they even practice? It seems like making a mistake will really fuck you up (obv not kill you in most cases but it would hurt a lot) I mean you're going highway speed and hitting hard ice, it's not gonna be a fun time.
I honestly hope that the difficulty of the whistler track dissuades youngsters from picking up the sport; quite frankly its the dumbest shit I've ever seen and i'm all for winter sports in general.
Then again, the majority of winter sports are fucked now that i think about it. Its all about going fast on ice or flying through the air or pretending to be a bullet.
In all seriousness, I wonder why they don't put higher plexiglass walls on those tracks. I mean there was a wall on the actual big turn, but it ended at the point when his trajectory became unstable and he shot out. Had it continued maybe for 10 more feet, he might have lived.
1988'er = 21 years old. I hope the Olympic Committee (who have already paid a small tribute to the deceased athlete), does something further to honor his memory before the games are over.
On February 13 2010 17:18 Sadistx wrote: In all seriousness, I wonder why they don't put higher plexiglass walls on those tracks. I mean there was a wall on the actual big turn, but it ended at the point when his trajectory became unstable and he shot out. Had it continued maybe for 10 more feet, he might have lived.
Yeah... frick when I saw the video... the first thing that came to mind was "You guys didn't see this coming?" People are racing down that track at like 140km/h on this flimsy little sled and yet there are shallow walls and unpadded steel pillars around it?
Here is the thing, it was completely foreseeable... I don't know why people are shocked when athletes who perform in high risk sports die in accidents.
watched the replays on TV and let me just say that watching a human fly above the wall and create a loud "THONK" sound as it hits metal is the most unnerving thing i've seen on TV. and medics doing CPR with the guy bleeding out of his ears, that just makes me mad at the course designers.
Race track designers figured this out long ago that putting steel fences over a wall keeps things like car engines and human bodies from flying outside a track, and yet bobsled course designers never learned from this? disgusting, really. and putting roof support structures so close to the track? just because nothing happened in other courses doesnt mean preventative action shouldnt be taken.
and to the people saying padding would help, it won't. decelerating from 140km/h to 0km/h in milliseconds is a pretty substantial amount of deceleration. you'd need meters of padding to help increase the time spent decelerating, you're better off having no posts there at all.
I mean I dont know how the other tracks are exactly built but this is just so dangerous !? I doubt that putting some plastic or other stuff around that iron pole would have saved his life. At 130 or more km/h hitting any obstacle is basicaly deadly..
I mean is it something very very unlikely that someone will slip out of the track ? I dont want to blame anyone but this is looking so bad and unneccessary..
It feels as if in downhill there would be trees around the track.. I mean come on seriously !?
RIP.. And especially sad and terrible for the family.. =/
On February 13 2010 18:20 Eskii wrote: Here is the thing, it was completely foreseeable... I don't know why people are shocked when athletes who perform in high risk sports die in accidents.
They don't die everyday or on every olympic games or bobsleigh championship do they?
It was because of the poor design of the track.
I don't know if padding would've helped. But if padding would have gave at least 1% chances of staying alive, it should be taken.
But as i mentioned earlier, the problem is they didn't lift the track in the curve or tunnel it. It's only in curves that he can get out of the track like that.
Ok, their investigation is over. As always it's the dead mans fault.
Joint VANOC - FIL Statement on Men’s Luge Competition
Feb 12, 2010
The International Luge Federation is deeply saddened by the death of the Georgian athlete, Nodar Kumaritashvili, member of our Luge Family, who was fatally injured during the final training session in the last corner of the track at the Whistler Sliding Centre on Friday morning.
The Coroners Service of British Columbia, responsible for the investigation of all sudden deaths, together with the RCMP, concluded their on-scene investigations on the track and transferred the decision to FIL when the track can be re-opened. The FIL, through its technical officials, further investigated into the cause of this tragic incident. Based on a physical inspection of the track and a thorough review of the tapes they have concluded the following:
It appears after a routine run, the athlete came late out of curve 15 and did not compensate properly to make correct entrance into curve 16. This resulted in a late entrance into curve 16 and although the athlete worked to correct the problem he eventually lost control of the sled resulting in the tragic accident. The technical officials of the FIL were able to retrace the path of the athlete and concluded there was no indication that the accident was caused by deficiencies in the track.
Based on these findings the race director, in consultation with the FIL, made the decision to reopen the track following a raising of the walls at the exit of curve 16 and a change in the ice profile. This was done as a preventative measure, in order to avoid that such an extremely exceptional accident could occur again.
The FIL will resume men´s training Saturday morning with two full training runs prior to the competition taking place as scheduled at 17h00.
FIL and VANOC will conduct a joint press conference on Saturday, 13 February, at 8h30am at the Whistler Media Center with Josef Fendt, FIL President, Svein Romstad, FIL Secretary General and Tim Gayda, VANOC Vice-President, Sport. Media in Vancouver will be able to follow the press conference and post questions at the Main Press Center (MPC).
Armin Zoeggeler (Italy) the champion of the last two editions has also been hurt on the training as well as the romanian Violeta Stramaturaru.
Armin Zoeggeler declared that he is concerned that because the track was closed and the competition start will not be delayed that reduces training time on the track and therefore improves chance for accidents.
That's also dumb... so they closed the track i see for investigation... good. But they aren't going to delay the competition to give them time to train properly on the track?
I'm not going to be surprised if we're gonna see even more injuries here.
If it was just this guy that had a problem with it then I would understand. But there were other people aside from him that were injured on the same course. These guys aren't just scrubs that have no idea what they're doing either. They are the top competitors at this, and if multiple people from the cream of the crop are getting hurt and killed, then there must be some fault to the design of the track.
The risk is part of the excitement. I'm sure they know that the slightest mistake could mean life or death at that speed - same thing for down hill sky. It's part of the glory. I salute his devotion to his sport; it can be said that he lived his dream to the end.
"Officials have modified the last turn where he crashed, erecting a 12-foot-high wooden wall to cover the exposed steel beams. In the last hour before practice was set to resume, workers scraped and shaped ice from the edges in the last turn. Officials said they have modified the exit in the curve."
On February 14 2010 02:39 SultanVinegar wrote: "Officials have modified the last turn where he crashed, erecting a 12-foot-high wooden wall to cover the exposed steel beams. In the last hour before practice was set to resume, workers scraped and shaped ice from the edges in the last turn. Officials said they have modified the exit in the curve."
A pad wouldn't do anything other then shut up the hundreds of thousands of people that think a steel pad would have helped. Also, I definitely expect to see more injuries this year. I surely hope not. Not only does it suck when people die in the Olympics, it probably would look bad for Canada.
On February 14 2010 08:09 Bosu wrote: A pad wouldn't do anything other then shut up the hundreds of thousands of people that think a steel pad would have helped.
Well of course padding steel with steel wouldn't help.
WHISTLER, Feb 13 (Reuters) - The Olympic men’s luge competition will run from the lower women’s start as an extra precaution after the death of a Georgian slider in training, organisers said on Saturday.
Way to ruin the event... I wonder if they move the Women's start, perhaps just above the very last turn.
i feel fucking sick after seeing that picture of the luger covered in blood with his lifeless eyes staring lifelessly into the sky. I keep seeing my own face instead of his.
i just got into a snowboarding accident on tuesday and i feel like i just cheated death. i was following a friend down a trail that I wasn't very familiar with nor am I as good of a snowboarder as my friend and I didn't see this ski lift pole with a giant concrete block on the bottom of it until it was too late and I hit it head on.
i broke every bone on the right side of my face including the frontal bone in my forehead which is supposed to take 200Gs of acceleration to break. the orbital bone that holds my eye was completely shattered and they had to cut the top of my scalp from ear to ear and literally peel my face back in order to insert 10 titanium plates in order to piece my face back together.
If I would've hit the block two inches higher, I would've been blind. If I would've hit the concrete block two inches lower, I would've been paralyzed. If the back of my head would've hit the concrete block, I would've have been brain dead. If my I hit two inches upper-right in my temple, I would've died on impact. The sheer fact that I had my sinuses to act as a buffer is the sole reason I am not worse off than I am now. I'm going to be most likely partially blind in my right eye and my face slightly misshapen, but nothing even close to what could have happened.
I'm fucking shook up and sick to my stomach after seeing this. I've never been this close to an encounter with death and I can't believe that I escaped death within inches of my life. It's fucking sickening to think that my life could have ended on tuesday. Never knew how much I took it for granted until I almost lost it.
On February 14 2010 09:11 AtlaS wrote: i feel fucking sick after seeing that picture of the luger covered in blood with his lifeless eyes staring lifelessly into the sky. I keep seeing my own face instead of his.
i just got into a snowboarding accident on tuesday and i feel like i just cheated death. i was following a friend down a trail that I wasn't very familiar with nor am I as good of a snowboarder as my friend and I didn't see this ski lift pole with a giant concrete block on the bottom of it until it was too late and I hit it head on.
i broke every bone on the right side of my face including the frontal bone in my forehead that is supposed to take 200Gs of acceleration to break. the orbital bone that holds my eye was completely shattered and they had to cut the top of my scalp from ear to ear and literally peel my face back in order to insert 10 titanium plates in order to piece my face back together.
If I would've hit the block two inches higher, I would've been blind. If I would've hit the concrete block two inches lower, I would've been paralyzed. If the back of my head would've hit the concrete block, I would've have been brain dead. If my I hit two inches upper-right in my temple, I would've died on impact. The sheer fact that I had my sinuses to act as a buffer is the sole reason I am not worse off than I am now. I'm going to be most likely partially blind in my right eye and my face slightly misshapen, but nothing even close to what could have happened.
I'm fucking shook up and sick to my stomach after seeing this. I've never been this close to an encounter with death and I can't believe that I escaped death within inches of my life. It's fucking sickening to think that my life could have ended on tuesday. Never knew how much I took it for granted until I almost lost it.
Rest in Peace, Nodar Kumaritashvili.
Wow, that sound terrible, just reading your description was enough to make me cringe. Get well soon mate.
My question is why were there thick poles there in the first place? They could have made it much safer with something like chain-link fence poles that would have bent over when hit instead of doing serious damage, or put the poles on the inside of the turn only. I blame the person that thought heavy steel poles on the "outside" at the end of a turn was a good idea. Athletes make mistakes and the venue shouldn't punish them like that.