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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 08 2009 08:45 GMT
#121
He's not an officer he's actually The Terminator. Lol sucker.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
captainwaffles
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1050 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 13:35:40
December 08 2009 13:28 GMT
#122
I have a question regarding the whole rights thing, do they still apply to minors? I'm 17 (18 in march) and I was wondering If got pulled over for speeding or any other nefarious activities, do I have the right to remain silent?

Also, how does this work? I say hi and whatnot, but as soon as the questions start I say "plead the fifth?" kinda curious about how that works out.

thanks!

-EDIT- Also I live in FL...so yeah...

The only time I got pulled over was a few months ago (in July) just about 2 days after I got my license and I was on my way home, stopped at a red light trying to go left, a cop pulls in behind me fairly fast, I thought he was about to go after someone so I waited until there was no incoming traffic and took the left... needless to say he pulled me over. I told him what I thought was going to happen, gave him my license and info, and he just told me to be more careful (especially since I was a new driver, and I was a pretty shitty driver back then) and he took off. Although I think the only reason he let me off was cuz he felt sorry for me, I was shaking and stuttering (half on purpose, half out of genuine fear) and I "looked" like a good enough kid (glasses n whatnot).
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 23:36:58
December 08 2009 23:36 GMT
#123
On December 08 2009 13:57 sith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2009 12:53 Jayme wrote:
On December 08 2009 12:02 sith wrote:
On December 08 2009 10:25 Jayme wrote:
On December 08 2009 10:02 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
On December 08 2009 09:01 Number41 wrote:
In Florida you do not have to physically possess contraband to be considered in possession. You can be found to have constructive possession. A defendant can be found to have constructive possession where the contraband was in plain view in a common area under control of the defendant. Constructive possession can be exclusive or joint. (For example, both driver and passenger can be found to have constructive possession of contraband found on the passenger-side floor mat of a car. The contraband is in plain view, and both have reasonable control and access to the contraband. If neither fesses up or points fingers, both will likely be charged with possession.)

If this is your first offense, you will likely be eligible for pre-trial intervention. You will sign a contract admitting guilt and placed on something similar to probation. You will have to complete certain conditions, such as: complete a drug treatment program, pay applicable fines and remain drug free for a set amount of time. If you complete the conditions, the charges will be dropped.


The item was in a walmart plastic bag. So can i say that its not in plain view? you seem to know a lot. can you help me in my case?


I AM A POLICE OFFICER AND I PATROL.


You seem to be a police officer! Seeing as you're right here, I was wondering about busting parties.

I'm sure it depends on where you live, but how do party busts usually happen (talking about high school age here)? Is it called in by the neighbors? How much do cops actually care about parties assuming it's under control and indoors?

And I'm aware that you can simply refuse entry to police officers at your door if you want, they need a search warrant to enter, but they don't need one if they can see illegal activities occurring in plain view. Would a police officer actually go to a backdoor or downstairs window slit to try and view illegal activities (probably drinking)? And can they actually go and get a search warrant that night and come back?

Thanks, feel free to answer all my questions or none at all.


Party busts usually happen because teenagers are stupid...I'm being serious here. The main thing loud parties do is draw attention. Officers don't give a rats ass if your party is contained and indoors. Most wouldn't care if it was loud either but then people complain.

What happens is that they get too loud or roudy and the neighbor will call it in. Any call with a complainant HAS to be investigated by a police officer (at least here it does). If I get a noise complaint dispatched to me I'll generally see if it has a complainant or not. If not I'll drive by briefly to see how bad it really is and make my decision from there. If it does...well I have to knock on the freaking door, I have no choice.

Here is the thing. I'll normally tell you to keep it down and keep your party inside the house. As long as it isn't a habitual place of offense I'm more than willing to leave without busting a party. I was a teenager once too.

The issue is that there are usually empty beer cans outside, open beer cans in view, or I am forced back because they didn't listen to me the first time. Once I see any of those things I can go inside the house with a warrant...and they are pretty easy to get if you have probable cause.

If your backyard is FENCED IN an officer cannot just go back there and and peek through a backdoor. A fenced in area means it's part of the curtiledge of your home and thereby inaccessible without a warrant. Most officers I know personally would be too lazy to do this anyway.

Anyway around here as long as when an officer tells the party to shut the hell up and they do so...they will be left alone.

Smaller town cops generally have nothing better to do so they might be just a bit more aggressive in trying to get you with something. Just know this... answer the door with ONE person, make sure all open containers are out of sight of the doorway, and make sure the person answering the door is sober enough to communicate readily with an officer without flipping out. Keep your party inside the house if at all possible and every now and then one person should go outside to see if you can hear the party outside of the house.

Officers in big cities usually have other things to do than bust parties. Even on the rare circumstances I'm forced to do so I just make everyone go home. I have no desire to fill out 20000 booking slips to arrest that many kids who are just having fun anyway.

Oh yea, don't joy ride -.- That'll actually piss people off because you're starting to endanger other people.


Thank you for the well written response, I do appreciate it. I'll take this advice into consideration when...uh....advising others about parties.

Edit: Just curious, what type of area do you live in/patrol? I live in a suburban area myself.


A top 10 major city >.> so very urban.

To the guy above me...being younger doesn't affect your civil rights. If anything it gives you even more protection.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
December 09 2009 02:41 GMT
#124
Hey guys, Ima try to talk to my prosecutor to see if they can drop the charges.
Who should i talk to?
how do i know the people that gonna prosecute me. are they the district or state or county atourney
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
December 09 2009 02:50 GMT
#125
On December 07 2009 17:23 iamke55 wrote:
Wow you look kinda like Bisu.


lol
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
CaptainPlatypus
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States852 Posts
December 09 2009 03:40 GMT
#126
Honestly, if all you want is to stay out of trouble, the best way to deal with cops is to be straightforward and polite. "Sure I'll talk to you, officer." And then smile and don't say anything incriminating. If you're paranoid (which, in some situations, you should be, like if you're SMOKING ILLEGAL DRUGS IN PUBLIC ) you should record the conversation (just call an answering machine or something and put your phone on speaker). Don't agree to do anything you don't have to and don't want to (like let them search your car or stop recording), but other than that do your best to accommodate them. Cops for the most part won't go out of their way to fuck with you unless you've done something seriously wrong (give heroin to kids, punch old ladies) or annoyed them. Assuming you're a decent enough person not to commit any serious moral offenses, all you need to keep them off your back is to not annoy them, which is where you failed. Learning experience.
iheartgna
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States184 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-09 03:47:12
December 09 2009 03:46 GMT
#127
On December 09 2009 11:41 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
Hey guys, Ima try to talk to my prosecutor to see if they can drop the charges.
Who should i talk to?
how do i know the people that gonna prosecute me. are they the district or state or county atourney


You're being charged by the state, they aren't going to drop the charges.

Edit: You should try contacting the arresting officer if anyone
Hell is other people.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-09 04:07:09
December 09 2009 04:02 GMT
#128
OP video and the OP real life scenario are a testament how this shit doesn't really apply literally to life.
Most cops are on power trips and will abuse their power often (even to the smallest degree- parking in handicap or red zone for prolonged period, getting a friend out of a minor moving violation ticket, etc). So if you flat out tell a cop you won't talk, you are taking his training and power of the situation away and he knows it. So he can defaultly take you down to the station with probable cause and blah blah. They will do everything they can to hassle you for hassling them and try to take back their power.

What you should have done is just said, "Am I under arrest? Are you going to read my Miranda rights to me?", If they say no and/or don't arrest you then you can simply say "I don't want to say anything incriminating against my friends or myself and choose not to speak". If they do arrest you, and do read you your rights you can say the same thing.

But again, cops being cops they might still get pissed and try to hassle the fuck out of you even if you did nothing wrong (in there minds they are serving street justice on you to teach you a lesson to talk to police and answer their questions). Plus they just assume since you aren't denying it and everyone else was, then you must be the one who did it.
Thank god these retards are not also the judges.

Btw, It could possibly have been your friends blaming you. So take that into consideration.

And about the search- Don't ever allow it if they ask, even if you are clean. It's just an invasion of privacy and waste your time and theirs. (use this bolded line IRL) Plus, when is the last time you looked around your car? Maybe someone dropped something in the back seat? Maybe the cop is crooked as fuck and plans on planting shit in your glove box.


..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
sS.NuB
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Angola107 Posts
December 09 2009 04:49 GMT
#129
On December 08 2009 01:00 ghermination wrote:
fuck the police my friend.
Never admit to anything, never give a statement, never consent to shit.
Good vibes.


Word up!
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 09 2009 04:54 GMT
#130
Yeah, the few times ive been in trouble with the cops i was just nice and they let us go. Now, the time yo do not want to say a word is when you are already in an interrogation room and they are telling you that your friends squealed you out and htat they are only charging you unless you tell them the story or who really did it. Whole bunch of shit, if nobody talks they got nothing.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
December 09 2009 05:06 GMT
#131
On December 09 2009 13:02 CharlieMurphy wrote:
OP video and the OP real life scenario are a testament how this shit doesn't really apply literally to life.
Most cops are on power trips and will abuse their power often (even to the smallest degree- parking in handicap or red zone for prolonged period, getting a friend out of a minor moving violation ticket, etc). So if you flat out tell a cop you won't talk, you are taking his training and power of the situation away and he knows it. So he can defaultly take you down to the station with probable cause and blah blah. They will do everything they can to hassle you for hassling them and try to take back their power.




Your first paragraph makes me believe you're full of shit.

You must live in a place where there isn't much to do. Most cops here don't give a rats ass if some teenagers says "NO I'M NOT TALKING." Really, what difference does it actually make?

This "most" crap you're spewing is remarkable. There has been such a crack down on these so called "power trips" that if you're caught doing them you can expect to get suspended for 2+ weeks up and including to getting fired.

In a busy place the only real reason I'm going to talk to you is because you drew your attention to me somehow. I've made some pretty big dope finds on someone that was just "looking around." IE someone I haven't ever seen before standing around the corner at 2 am in the morning...

A car in an abandoned parking lot will always be suspicious. It's literally like hanging up a sign that says "HEY IM DOING SOMETHING ILLICIT HERE PLEASE HARASS ME." People generally get harassed because they actually did something wrong, they know it, the cop knows it, and now it's just a cat and mouse game.

Don't want to be bothered? Don't draw such obvious attention to yourself. I won't deny of course that there are crooked cops out there and ones that harass for no reason other than to go off on a power trip but most of the people I've met are really normal...just more cynical and morbid because you deal with the worst people have to offer all the time.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 09 2009 05:20 GMT
#132
Ok Jayme this is the part where you tell us some notorious story of how you saved some chick in a drug war, killed 40 guys and banged her out after.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
SkepTicAL
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada872 Posts
December 09 2009 05:25 GMT
#133
On December 07 2009 17:04 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 17:03 meeple wrote:
Damn, thats stiff man. 150 bucks because you were in the car with a vaporizer?

Yea its just the bond money. I have to go to court.
I guess the police got mad cuz i didnt want to talk

My in-laws are almost all cops, and honestly, if you co-operate with them(especially since you are innocent) they are way more leniant on you... If you decide to keep your mouth closed, they give you the persona of a young punk trying to act tough infront of his friends with the cops there. Your better off talking in situations like that... now if you killed someone! thats a different story!
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Xenixx
Profile Joined June 2008
United States499 Posts
December 09 2009 05:50 GMT
#134
I started laughing my ass off at the irony in this thread at first. Then I tried to straighten it out, your story doesn't make much sense to me. Until I hear more I'm assuming there's something you're not telling us.

And, I'm going to make a video that explains why you should not only talk to the police but fucking run in every situation. Fender bender on the highway? HAUL ASS TO THE WOODS. Police make a house call because of a noise complaint? OUT THE BATHROOM WINDOW AND INTO THE FORESTS.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
December 09 2009 09:25 GMT
#135
WTF. OP go get some professional legal advice. This is one case where TL will probably never be able to tell you anything useful. We have no idea where you live and what the local administration is like.

And yes NEVER consent to a search. Be polite about it but always assert your right to not be searched without due process.
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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
December 09 2009 09:31 GMT
#136
On December 07 2009 17:11 evanthebouncy! wrote:
This is probably out of line but...
+ Show Spoiler +

SICK mug shot!! you sexy thing haha!! you even managed to smile. Big balls yo!

This is absolutely true. Best mug shot ever.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
December 10 2009 03:25 GMT
#137
http://www.amazon.com/Represent-Yourself-Court-Prepare-Winning/dp/1413307108/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260415396&sr=8-21
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old times sake
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
165 Posts
December 11 2009 19:50 GMT
#138
On December 09 2009 14:25 SkepTicAL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 17:04 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
On December 07 2009 17:03 meeple wrote:
Damn, thats stiff man. 150 bucks because you were in the car with a vaporizer?

Yea its just the bond money. I have to go to court.
I guess the police got mad cuz i didnt want to talk

My in-laws are almost all cops, and honestly, if you co-operate with them(especially since you are innocent) they are way more leniant on you... If you decide to keep your mouth closed, they give you the persona of a young punk trying to act tough infront of his friends with the cops there. Your better off talking in situations like that... now if you killed someone! thats a different story!

This might be how it seems from their perspective, but to me this sounds more like a bunch of people who want to be dominating a submissive, and get upset if anyone makes more work for them, punishing them for doing what is their right, and using the (often false) promise of leniency in order to get them to give up their rights to their own disadvantage. Why does it sound like this to me?
Lol it's so funny watching the level of posting deteriorate so rapidly when supporters of this decision are confronted with such nefarious things as REASONS. --fanatacist
oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
December 18 2009 00:17 GMT
#139
ROFL baller picture......
I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.
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