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On November 30 2009 10:58 cUrsOr wrote:
Wow. I'll just make a simple post that says this sucks.
Telling people what to wear, and I was under the impression that they had a very liberal government. Very sad day. Suppose next they will be banning books or something? I'm sure there are many other signs of Islamisation there as well.
What? Who are these crazy giant muslims wearing minarets?
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I learned something in this thread, ghostWriter is an absolute moron.
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In the end, this whole referendum wasn't really about those minarets at all, it was more about the fears regarding Islam and integration at all: No shit.
That's why the topic is 17 pages long; no one expected you guys to vote a constitutional amendment to prohibit minarets, especially into the same legal document that has your bill of rights.
Looking at the history, this has been going on for 3 years.
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On November 30 2009 17:31 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
I learned something in this thread, ghostWriter is an absolute moron.
 I think hes wrong too, but thats a bit much lol.
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I'm ashamed by the result.
But well... After this has formed into a law there is probably not much left of the minaret ban... I mean this has to be balanced with the constitution, the human rights and other *higher* laws. It's actually quite common that such votes get watered down like crazy until they made it and barely do anything anymore.
In the end it probably won't be much different from now on.
But still... ugh... to live with nearly 2/3 of your population voting yes to something like this... ugh. I thought only 1/3 of the swiss were retards, I was wrong  .
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On November 30 2009 17:35 L wrote:Show nested quote + In the end, this whole referendum wasn't really about those minarets at all, it was more about the fears regarding Islam and integration at all: No shit. That's why the topic is 17 pages long; no one expected you guys to vote a constitutional amendment to prohibit minarets, especially into the same legal document that has your bill of rights. Looking at the history, this has been going on for 3 years.
well, the thing with the document is a well known problem. Every "initiative" leads to a constitutional amendment there isn't a thing like a "law-only"-initiative of some sorts... this is why you can also find some "bagatelle issues" in our constitution.
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@Velr
you live with 20% Yes voters, not 2/3.
@putting this shit into the constitution.
Switzerland has cancelled the right of ppl to make a direct law very recently. It has been cancelled because it was not possible to have the ppl write the law, because lawyers always find way to fuck that up thats why it is handled with the constitution to let lawyers formulate the actual laws so they will be written better than from some random idiot.
@banning church bells
Many asked why switzerland isn't banning church bells. Well, guess what, they are banned to some degree. This is handled by the local community (like building minarets should be handled). But there is also a major difference between churchbells and muezzin prayer calls. A churchbell tells you an accurate international time, the muezzin is only for muslims.
Another plus towards churchtowers is, they almost always have a clock on them telling me the time, a minaret has nothing. I don't have a watch (had one for a total of 2 years or so) and I heavyly rely on public clocks like on trainstations, watches shops or as said churchtower watches.
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On November 30 2009 17:31 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
I learned something in this thread, ghostWriter is an absolute moron.
i won't say that.
btw @ ghostWriter : i can clearly understand from your posts that you ABSOLUTELY hate Muslims.But in future if you want to post a comment badmouthing Muslims then i strongly suggest you kindly read the Holy Qur'an before posting any further comments about Muslims.
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On November 30 2009 17:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
@Velr
you live with 20% Yes voters, not 2/3.
I just declare the non voters as silent supporters.
Hell, i actually went to the Urn after 2 hours of sleep with a hangover that would make David Hasselhoff proud. For nothing, that actually pisses me off even more :p
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On November 30 2009 17:58 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 17:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
@Velr
you live with 20% Yes voters, not 2/3.
I just declare the non voters as silent supporters.
thats a major fault so many ppl make. They are rather silent opposer than supporter.
I don't vote because I think it's definitly not my job to say whether some muslim can build a minaret in geneva, I live like 300km from there, wtf do I care?
and it's not just the ppl who are not taking their right to vote you missed, but also all the <18y and foreigners. 1.5 mio votes yes, 1.2 or so voted no still a shitload missing up to 7.7mio population in switzerland.
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did anyone else read this as "switzerland banning minerals", and then thinking how much gas they were gonna have?
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I wish I lived in a country where something like this could go to national referendum. Forget about terrorism, illegal immigration, gay rights, the economic crisis, etc. They're building freaking minarets out there and we have to put an end to it!
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I agree it would be nice. But I'd be happy if we could just challenge/veto legislation. Such as warrantless wiretapping....just wow.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
damn just what i was wonderinga bout
SWITZERLAannddd!!
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On November 30 2009 18:04 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 17:58 Velr wrote:On November 30 2009 17:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
@Velr
you live with 20% Yes voters, not 2/3.
I just declare the non voters as silent supporters. thats a major fault so many ppl make. They are rather silent opposer than supporter. I don't vote because I think it's definitly not my job to say whether some muslim can build a minaret in geneva, I live like 300km from there, wtf do I care?
A silent opposer is no opposer because he isn't opposing anything but just swallowing everything, no matter if he likes it or not.
Chances are high that non voters are mostly just lazy.
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On November 30 2009 17:58 BloodDrunK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 17:31 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
I learned something in this thread, ghostWriter is an absolute moron. i won't say that. btw @ ghostWriter : i can clearly understand from your posts that you ABSOLUTELY hate Muslims.But in future if you want to post a comment badmouthing Muslims then i strongly suggest you kindly read the Holy Qur'an before posting any further comments about Muslims.
Why? Because he'd be too scared to raise his voice again after reading it?
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Lol, The Swiss must be so insecure
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On November 30 2009 18:43 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 18:04 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On November 30 2009 17:58 Velr wrote:On November 30 2009 17:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
@Velr
you live with 20% Yes voters, not 2/3.
I just declare the non voters as silent supporters. thats a major fault so many ppl make. They are rather silent opposer than supporter. I don't vote because I think it's definitly not my job to say whether some muslim can build a minaret in geneva, I live like 300km from there, wtf do I care? A silent opposer is no opposer because he isn't opposing anything but just swallowing everything, no matter if he likes it or not. Chances are high that non voters are mostly just lazy.
not really. They are not exactly "silent", as we notice the number (~46% in this case). In middle school (gymnasium) we did a similar thing. The teacher always wanted to play the same gay game we hated, so we just stopped taking part in the gymclasses. We sat on the floor and waited until the class was over. Not taking part in something is actually a form of protest, and looking it as silent support like so many politicians do is horrible.
I am not swallowing everything that was said but do the opposite, I just do it anyway (like smoking weed).
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On November 30 2009 18:46 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 17:58 BloodDrunK wrote:On November 30 2009 17:31 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
I learned something in this thread, ghostWriter is an absolute moron. i won't say that. btw @ ghostWriter : i can clearly understand from your posts that you ABSOLUTELY hate Muslims.But in future if you want to post a comment badmouthing Muslims then i strongly suggest you kindly read the Holy Qur'an before posting any further comments about Muslims. Why? Because he'd be too scared to raise his voice again after reading it?
It's so he can learn a bit more about Islam so he has a higher possibility of making a better-informed post. What, did you think the Koran/Qur'an is full of fanatical suicide bombing quotes and about going to paradise and killing infidels?
YOU should read the Koran, for the same reason as Ghostwriter.
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