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On November 13 2009 13:37 biomedical wrote:
ouiji board isnt necessarily due to idiomotor (and theres fuck-all research into idiomotor anyway).
a spirit doesnt need to channel itself through the glass...the glass is just there as a marker for the board. the spirit can just channel itself through the person, the persons arm etc.
Did you see that Penn & Teller Bullshit where they blindfolded a Ouija group and turned the board upside down?
It was hilarious.
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On November 13 2009 15:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2009 13:37 biomedical wrote:
ouiji board isnt necessarily due to idiomotor (and theres fuck-all research into idiomotor anyway).
a spirit doesnt need to channel itself through the glass...the glass is just there as a marker for the board. the spirit can just channel itself through the person, the persons arm etc.
Did you see that Penn & Teller Bullshit where they blindfolded a Ouija group and turned the board upside down? It was hilarious.
I have that episode on my computer. One of the best episodes 
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Speaking of the Penn and Teller episode - there have been similar studies done with the letters face down, or the participants blindfolded (and letters re-arranged), and the results have all been the same. If the participants cannot see the letters, the glass doesn't end up forming comprehensible words, or sometimes simply "the glass doesn't move".
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I liked all of them except for the psychic reading. there's no doubt that that is the way you are supposed to do psychic readings, it's just that the scammer did a terrible terrible job with it and the person being scammed didn't seem to bright.
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that was pretty interesting. definitely have to try the ghost one for halloween
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On November 13 2009 10:09 Kennelie wrote:
Yang I am the science of scams. When u buy something expensive go back to the store(doesn't matter if its the same store or not) and pull the same product that you bought. Now what you do is go to the customer service desk and ask for a refund with the receipt of the expensive product that you bought earlier. Voila now you got your product for free.
Science of scams~
edit: of course this will not work with many products like high end electronics but it does work. I usually do it with alot of medicine that cost me more than 10 bucks.
I really hope you get caught.
I thought the Ouija board thing was pretty much common knowledge, and only complete tards and little kids thought it was real.
On November 13 2009 15:49 B-612 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2009 15:36 gameguard wrote:
lol this barefoot guy's claims are even more ridiculous than kevin treadeu's garbage and thats saying something. Here is the sad part; they have worked together a lot in the past, Coral Calcium was one of the 'cures' from the book by Treadeu called 'Cancer cures they don't want you to know about'
People that buy into that stuff are so incredibly stupid. My argument against all these "natural cures" is a simple one: if that shit worked so well, why did the people that used it die so young all the time? I mean, if modern medicine isn't as good as the anti-medicine people claim, why has the average age of death risen so much? And that's not to say that all natural things are bad or don't work. I'm sure there are legitimate things that work, but to denounce all medical science in favor of natural alternatives is absurd.
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On November 18 2009 17:08 AtlaS wrote:
the person being scammed didn't seem to bright.
So, pretty much the standard person who pays for a psychic reading.
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On November 13 2009 08:56 thopol wrote:
I dig science > mysticism. I don't dig over-dramatized television. How much of each of those segments consisted of repetitions of that same graphic?
This made it impossible for me to watch all of the clips. Also, both the guy and the girl have really annoying mannerisms.
As for the tricks, I'd seen most before, so it was kind of a letdown, though sometimes the explanations were a little too shallow. I'm not a superstitious person, but just like when Mythbusters have to do a show over because they didn't do it properly the first four or five times, these people are just touching on the subject. Like the ghost, a very specific use of a deliberate scam, and the Ouija board, explaining it away with "oh they're moving it, psychological phenomenon you know" is very shallow.
Those two vids were the only interesting ones imo, the other ones were a bit too obvious.
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On November 18 2009 18:01 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2009 08:56 thopol wrote:
I dig science > mysticism. I don't dig over-dramatized television. How much of each of those segments consisted of repetitions of that same graphic? This made it impossible for me to watch all of the clips. Also, both the guy and the girl have really annoying mannerisms. As for the tricks, I'd seen most before, so it was kind of a letdown, though sometimes the explanations were a little too shallow. I'm not a superstitious person, but just like when Mythbusters have to do a show over because they didn't do it properly the first four or five times, these people are just touching on the subject. Like the ghost, a very specific use of a deliberate scam, and the Ouija board, explaining it away with "oh they're moving it, psychological phenomenon you know" is very shallow. Those two vids were the only interesting ones imo, the other ones were a bit too obvious.
Yeah, the production on these videos is awful. I skipped the clips of the hoaxes at the beginning, knowing they'd replay them about a million times throughout the video.
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You have to look under the hood so to speak when you watch Penn and Teller or Derren Brown. Indeed they claim to clearly show that most of the things are scam and so on. Yet they select the people who are the most notorious for this kind of scam.
I've never seen any of them take under serious investigation for instance people who have real credentials like Joe McMoneagle (he does remote viewing to target locations and has done many tests to show that what he did decipher was accurate). And there are a whole range of phenomena unexplained but they don't bring it to show people evidence in favor of this experiences. They present one-sided opinions. You cannot make assumption that if in the cases studied you've discovered that they are scams then in all cases this is the case.
Take in mind they select the most weak examples. After I watched one of the series with Deren Brown I searched on the google the names involved in the show, a few of them. It was clear evidence even from the websites format. It was made for making money.
I understand this is show-biz that brings money to producers but people who watch should look into the phenomena themselves and make an opinion after studying in more detail.
As a conclusion the shows are one sided and I do still watch them but I also do my own research and have my own conclusions which are different from the show. I view it as entertaiment for a good laugh. For this purpose they are doing a good job.
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On November 18 2009 18:23 Angel[BTL] wrote:
You have to look under the hood so to speak when you watch Penn and Teller or Derren Brown. Indeed they claim to clearly show that most of the things are scam and so on. Yet they select the people who are the most notorious for this kind of scam.
I've never seen any of them take under serious investigation for instance people who have real credentials like Joe McMoneagle (he does remote viewing to target locations and has done many tests to show that what he did decipher was accurate). And there are a whole range of phenomena unexplained but they don't bring it to show people evidence in favor of this experiences. They present one-sided opinions. You cannot make assumption that if in the cases studied you've discovered that they are scams then in all cases this is the case.
Take in mind they select the most weak examples. After I watched one of the series with Deren Brown I searched on the google the names involved in the show, a few of them. It was clear evidence even from the websites format. It was made for making money.
I understand this is show-biz that brings money to producers but people who watch should look into the phenomena themselves and make an opinion after studying in more detail.
As a conclusion the shows are one sided and I do still watch them but I also do my own research and have my own conclusions which are different from the show. I view it as entertaiment for a good laugh. For this purpose they are doing a good job.
Talking about good laughs, you might want to read up on Project Alpha, there were others more impressive than Joe McMoneagle at Stanford :p
James Randi would make any example look much weaker than this show does anyways.
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Kind of awesome! Thanks YPang!
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Interesting videos, though I'm still never gonna touch a Ouiji board.
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The only time when I will believe that there is a ghost is when the text "nuclear launch detected" pops up.
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On November 13 2009 08:56 thopol wrote:
I dig science > mysticism. I don't dig over-dramatized television. How much of each of those segments consisted of repetitions of that same graphic?
Also, cute chick is cute.
which chick are you talking about?
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