A NASA moon "bombing" will happen on Friday. It seems like a movie premise, but NASA is really bombing the moon this week in an attempt to find out how much water is NASA 'Bombing' Moon in Quest to Find Water actually on the moon. To go along with the proposed moon bombing is a FOX video that has been released called the "NASA Moon Bomb Animation", and it shows roughly what is expected to occur during the science experiment. In concept this seems like a really interesting idea, but it also comes with a bit of fear that something could go wrong and it could alter the way the moon affects our planet. The idea of finding water on the moon could be interesting, but is it worth the risk?
On Friday, October 9th at about 4:30 A.M. PST, NASA plans to slam two spacecraft into the moon in an effort to find water. One part of the spacecraft will be sent into a crater on the moon, and then a second part of that same spacecraft will follow it in and make impact with the new crater that the first part creates. The spacecraft is being called LCROSS, and the mission has been nicknamed "Got Water" by scientists involved in the experiment. The impact is expected to send a plume of debris into space that should be visible to anyone with a high powered telescope around the world. It probably won't be able to be seen by the naked eye unless something goes wrong.
The reason that NASA says they are conducting this "bombing of the moon" is to find out if there is water on the moon that can be used. If they find water there, then on future exploration missions or trips to the moon, water won't have to be carried. That will save space on the craft as well as fuel in trying to carry it there. Sure, this sounds like a great idea to be able to discover that there is water on the moon, but maybe the methods aren't quite as beneficial as scientists are claiming the could be. One possible problem is that we don't really know what is at the center of the moon. We have guesses, but what if the moon isn't solid and turns out to be hollow inside? What if these impacts divert the moon from its current rotation?
watched it live, nothing special to be honest.lets wait for them for analyze the pieces of surface and then be like OMG theres water.Would be cool if they would find it, i mean taking 1l of liquid to the moon costs like 30k $, so yeah, that would make it way easier to set a lunar base there, for future exploration of mars.
On October 09 2009 22:58 Amber[LighT] wrote: In economic crisis the best way to stimulate the economy is to destroy expensive technology.
BRAVO NASA... BRAVO!!!
not only are they destroying expensive technology, but they're fuckin crashing ships into the moon. i thought a more effective tool for bombing would be er... iunno? BOMBS?
On October 09 2009 22:58 Amber[LighT] wrote: In economic crisis the best way to stimulate the economy is to destroy expensive technology.
BRAVO NASA... BRAVO!!!
not only are they destroying expensive technology, but they're fuckin crashing ships into the moon. i thought a more effective tool for bombing would be er... iunno? BOMBS?
I know I don't see why they don't just nuke the moon it's not like we're getting use of those missiles here. Stupid UN ruining our fun!!!
but what if the moon isn't solid and turns out to be hollow inside? What if these impacts divert the moon from its current rotation?
yeah or what if it's MADE OUT OF FUCKING CANDY
is this reporter serious
On October 09 2009 22:58 Amber[LighT] wrote: In economic crisis the best way to stimulate the economy is to destroy expensive technology.
BRAVO NASA... BRAVO!!!
For all you know NASA had a whole bunch of budget cuts due to the recession. They're conducting an experiment to find out if there's water on the moon, and the main reason they're doing this is to save money transporting water in the future. I hate this mentality nowadays that because of the economic recession everyone is supposed to stop doing whatever some random person thinks isn't essential. What do you think is gonna happen if they don't conduct this experiment? You think the saved money is going to be sent back to the government?
but what if the moon isn't solid and turns out to be hollow inside? What if these impacts divert the moon from its current rotation?
yeah or what if it's MADE OUT OF FUCKING CANDY
is this reporter serious
OP linked to article written by Ryan Christopher DeVault Born in Seattle, Washington, 31 year old college graduate working in the field of Education and Research. Hes also freelance writer and news provider. lol.
One possible problem is that we don't really know what is at the center of the moon. We have guesses, but what if the moon isn't solid and turns out to be hollow inside?
LOL R U FOR RELA? hollow inside? ommfgggggggg rofl yeah, its definitely hollow inside... the craters are just dents on it, like when you get a dent in a ping pong ball. I wrote better science reports in fucking middle school rofl
"One possible problem is that we don't really know what is at the center of the moon. We have guesses, but what if the moon isn't solid and turns out to be hollow inside?"
So ridiculous, fearing that the impact could cause any significant changes to the moon's movement...
Yeah, the moon COULD be hollow inside, but since we can calculate the mass of the moon through its speed and distance from the earth as well as the earth's mass, we can conclude that the hull of the supposedly hollow moon has to be extremely dense. Maybe the moon actually is a dusty, giant galactic table tennis ball made of pure gold.
And since we now know that the moon is made of gold and therefore very heavy, we can calculate how much the moon will be accelerated by the impact of the spacecraft (which is probably somewhere around 100 tonnes or less, no idea how fast it is gonna be). Since they want to watch the impact, we can assume that they won't hit the back of the moon. So it is unlikely that NASA actually plans to throw the moon at the earth, as interesting as that would be. Instead the moon will probably end up falling into the sun. Eternal lunar eclipse ftw!
On October 10 2009 00:17 Lemonwalrus wrote: "One possible problem is that we don't really know what is at the center of the moon. We have guesses, but what if the moon isn't solid and turns out to be hollow inside?"
Do they have reason to believe there is water up there or is this just a shot in the dark? Seems like a terrible waste of resources if it's the latter. Though I suppose there's always the chance they could find something better than water, like cheese.
I love all the TTGL references. it's amazing <3 now we just need to find a holographic girl that explodes once destroyed in the middle of the moon ...mmm...
What's worse than the ridiculous nature of the article, are some of the comments on that linked source. Like "OMG WHY DO YOU GOTTA DO STUPID STUFF AMERICA, TRYING TO KILL US ALL??? HATE!!!" (not exact quote =p). And other people just you know, BELIEVING that the moon is hollow or that this experiment would somehow actually shift the moon.
On October 10 2009 00:51 madnessman wrote: OH MY GOD! some people are starting up the LHC! there's gonna be a massive blackhole and we're all going to die!! oh wait. nothing happened.
on the other hand... if they do somehow mess up the moon's orbit we are kinda screwed.
The moon is falling into earth anyways. Might still take a while though. And the moon has been hit by much heavier and/or faster objects in the past, such a small impact doesn't matter in the least.
Yeah, collisions like this happen all the time. We just caused and watched this one up close with sensors, since we actually knew when it was going to happen.
how on earth are they gonna bomb the moon?the moon's gravity is very little and when the bombs are gonna be dropped they're gonna be floating in space.the bombers could make circles around the dropped bomb by the time it hits the ground.
On October 10 2009 01:06 Slow Motion wrote: Why don't they just hire Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck to drill into it?
NASA plans to shoot two Hollywood stars into the moon Friday, in order to find out if the moon contains water. Stage 1 commences at 4:05 PM CST, at which time Ben Affleck will be deployed into rotational orbit around the earth. Stage 2 will involve activating a large jetpack attached to Mr. Affleck's space-suit, which will be controlled remotely by NASA Ground Control, who will pilot him at high-speeds into a pre-selected moon crater. Bruce Willis will be present at Ground Control to observe the events, and will be given a chance to back out if he doesn't like what he sees. When questioned about his commitment to find water on the moon, Mr. Willis was quoted as saying,
"Hey man, I love Ben and I love science, but let's face it: I'm still doing work and Ben hasn't been. I think this is good for Ben."
click on any news website article on this and see how many thousands of comments there are of people worried about the moon and how were wasting money on useless crap -- and how it's obama's fault as well
it's pretty sad how opposed people are to space research.
On October 10 2009 00:51 madnessman wrote: OH MY GOD! some people are starting up the LHC! there's gonna be a massive blackhole and we're all going to die!! oh wait. nothing happened.
on the other hand... if they do somehow mess up the moon's orbit we are kinda screwed.
The moon is falling into earth anyways.
No, the moon is actually slowly getting further and further away from the earth.
The L-Cross Mission is pretty interesting, something we were sure the public would enjoy. At my center (NASA AMES) we worked on this Mission extensively, not me in particular because my branch does re-entry physics, and last night we had a giant viewing (430am ftl). I am definitely way to lazy to watch it live, looking forward to seeing all the videos once I get into work.
On October 10 2009 00:51 madnessman wrote: OH MY GOD! some people are starting up the LHC! there's gonna be a massive blackhole and we're all going to die!! oh wait. nothing happened.
on the other hand... if they do somehow mess up the moon's orbit we are kinda screwed.
The moon is falling into earth anyways.
No, the moon is actually slowly getting further and further away from the earth.
Really? Well, it's just as believable as what I assumed. I don't know any sources for my statement but I guess you do have somefor yours so I am tempted to believe you
The "finding water" excuse is a lie! They finally discovered the giant "laser" on the moon and want to take it out!
On a serious note, though, I fail to see much benefit from this experiment. While I seriously doubt this "bombing" will cause the moon to fall off of it`s general course, it still seems like a heavy-handed way of conducting research.
Plus, even if the suspicions of water being on the moon are not unfounded, wouldn`t the impact potentially cause some of the water to be drawn out into space and thus be accidentally lost? Considering the impact finding water on the moon would have for future space exploration, it seems like a bad way to go about looking for it.
On October 10 2009 02:44 Tom Phoenix wrote: The "finding water" excuse is a lie! They finally discovered the giant "laser" on the moon and want to take it out!
On a serious note, though, I fail to see much benefit from this experiment. While I seriously doubt this "bombing" will cause the moon to fall off of it`s general course, it still seems like a heavy-handed way of conducting research.
Plus, even if the suspicions of water being on the moon are not unfounded, wouldn`t the impact potentially cause some of the water to be drawn out into space and thus be accidentally lost? Considering the impact finding water on the moon would have for future space exploration, it seems like a bad way to go about looking for it.
Something tells me that NASA isn't a dumb group of people.
On October 10 2009 02:44 Tom Phoenix wrote: The "finding water" excuse is a lie! They finally discovered the giant "laser" on the moon and want to take it out!
On a serious note, though, I fail to see much benefit from this experiment. While I seriously doubt this "bombing" will cause the moon to fall off of it`s general course, it still seems like a heavy-handed way of conducting research.
Plus, even if the suspicions of water being on the moon are not unfounded, wouldn`t the impact potentially cause some of the water to be drawn out into space and thus be accidentally lost? Considering the impact finding water on the moon would have for future space exploration, it seems like a bad way to go about looking for it.
The whole point is to draw the water out from the crater...how else are they supposed to analyze it without sending all sorts of expensive rovers and whatnot there? NASA used a spent rocket from the launch of the LRO (which went up together with this project) to impact and create a dust cloud they could analyze to see if water has sublimated in those craters.
I suggest you research the LCROSS/LRO projects, and you'll see just how efficient they are.
On October 09 2009 23:13 Frits wrote:For all you know NASA had a whole bunch of budget cuts due to the recession. They're conducting an experiment to find out if there's water on the moon, and the main reason they're doing this is to save money transporting water in the future. I hate this mentality nowadays that because of the economic recession everyone is supposed to stop doing whatever some random person thinks isn't essential. What do you think is gonna happen if they don't conduct this experiment? You think the saved money is going to be sent back to the government?
exactly - and not only that: it has been well studied that for every dollar that has been spent on NASA research and development, the US has obtained a 10 fold return on it. This is the reason why now China, India, Korea, Japan and other countries are setting up or putting more money into their space programs.
On October 10 2009 01:07 BloodDrunK wrote: how on earth are they gonna bomb the moon?the moon's gravity is very little and when the bombs are gonna be dropped they're gonna be floating in space.the bombers could make circles around the dropped bomb by the time it hits the ground.
DUR and the moon is hollow. But you would know because you actually read the article or some of the posts.
On October 10 2009 02:44 Tom Phoenix wrote: The "finding water" excuse is a lie! They finally discovered the giant "laser" on the moon and want to take it out!
On a serious note, though, I fail to see much benefit from this experiment. While I seriously doubt this "bombing" will cause the moon to fall off of it`s general course, it still seems like a heavy-handed way of conducting research.
Plus, even if the suspicions of water being on the moon are not unfounded, wouldn`t the impact potentially cause some of the water to be drawn out into space and thus be accidentally lost? Considering the impact finding water on the moon would have for future space exploration, it seems like a bad way to go about looking for it.
On October 10 2009 02:44 Tom Phoenix wrote: The "finding water" excuse is a lie! They finally discovered the giant "laser" on the moon and want to take it out!
On a serious note, though, I fail to see much benefit from this experiment. While I seriously doubt this "bombing" will cause the moon to fall off of it`s general course, it still seems like a heavy-handed way of conducting research.
Plus, even if the suspicions of water being on the moon are not unfounded, wouldn`t the impact potentially cause some of the water to be drawn out into space and thus be accidentally lost? Considering the impact finding water on the moon would have for future space exploration, it seems like a bad way to go about looking for it.
On October 09 2009 23:13 Frits wrote:For all you know NASA had a whole bunch of budget cuts due to the recession. They're conducting an experiment to find out if there's water on the moon, and the main reason they're doing this is to save money transporting water in the future. I hate this mentality nowadays that because of the economic recession everyone is supposed to stop doing whatever some random person thinks isn't essential. What do you think is gonna happen if they don't conduct this experiment? You think the saved money is going to be sent back to the government?
exactly - and not only that: it has been well studied that for every dollar that has been spent on NASA research and development, the US has obtained a 10 fold return on it. This is the reason why now China, India, Korea, Japan and other countries are setting up or putting more money into their space programs.
One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
On October 09 2009 23:13 Frits wrote:For all you know NASA had a whole bunch of budget cuts due to the recession. They're conducting an experiment to find out if there's water on the moon, and the main reason they're doing this is to save money transporting water in the future. I hate this mentality nowadays that because of the economic recession everyone is supposed to stop doing whatever some random person thinks isn't essential. What do you think is gonna happen if they don't conduct this experiment? You think the saved money is going to be sent back to the government?
exactly - and not only that: it has been well studied that for every dollar that has been spent on NASA research and development, the US has obtained a 10 fold return on it. This is the reason why now China, India, Korea, Japan and other countries are setting up or putting more money into their space programs.
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
hahaha, blame USA for using a completely different metrics system from the rest of the world
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
hahaha, blame USA for using a completely different metrics system from the rest of the world
Yea, it's beyond retarded. The entire US measurement system is fucked. 5280 feet in a mile? 12 inches in a foot? What the fuck?
Both the American and Soviet space programs sent spacecraft to impact the moon several times during the space race for various reasons IIRC. It's part of the process of returning to the moon.
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
hahaha, blame USA for using a completely different metrics system from the rest of the world
Yea, it's beyond retarded. The entire US measurement system is fucked. 5280 feet in a mile? 12 inches in a foot? What the fuck?
"The metric system is a system of units for measurement developed in late 18th century France by the chemist Lavoisier to replace the disparate systems of measures then in use with a unified, natural and universal system."
It's no surprise that when the USA was settled and founded, a system other than the metric system became commonly used. The issue is really the difficulty of overcoming a change in system (which is not insignificant).
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
hahaha, blame USA for using a completely different metrics system from the rest of the world
Yea, it's beyond retarded. The entire US measurement system is fucked. 5280 feet in a mile? 12 inches in a foot? What the fuck?
"The metric system is a system of units for measurement developed in late 18th century France by the chemist Lavoisier to replace the disparate systems of measures then in use with a unified, natural and universal system."
It's no surprise that when the USA was settled and founded, a system other than the metric system became commonly used. The issue is really the difficulty of overcoming a change in system (which is not insignificant).
I guess it's that 10, 100, 1000, 10000, 100000, 1000000 is slightly more logical than 1, 12, 5280 and whatever.
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
hahaha, blame USA for using a completely different metrics system from the rest of the world
Yea, it's beyond retarded. The entire US measurement system is fucked. 5280 feet in a mile? 12 inches in a foot? What the fuck?
"The metric system is a system of units for measurement developed in late 18th century France by the chemist Lavoisier to replace the disparate systems of measures then in use with a unified, natural and universal system."
It's no surprise that when the USA was settled and founded, a system other than the metric system became commonly used. The issue is really the difficulty of overcoming a change in system (which is not insignificant).
I guess it's that 10, 100, 1000, 10000, 100000, 1000000 is slightly more logical than 1, 12, 5280 and whatever.
True, but not really relevant as I was explaining.
Yea good thing we have 500 years of gravitation to know how much the moon weighs and how objects are formed...
People commentating on these news IRL are so annoying to convince... they saw the movie "The Time Machine" and are thinking that's what's gonna happen.
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
hahaha, blame USA for using a completely different metrics system from the rest of the world
Yea, it's beyond retarded. The entire US measurement system is fucked. 5280 feet in a mile? 12 inches in a foot? What the fuck?
"The metric system is a system of units for measurement developed in late 18th century France by the chemist Lavoisier to replace the disparate systems of measures then in use with a unified, natural and universal system."
It's no surprise that when the USA was settled and founded, a system other than the metric system became commonly used. The issue is really the difficulty of overcoming a change in system (which is not insignificant).
To be fair to standard vs metric it's pretty fucking stupid to measure anything from the size of a pencil eraser to the height of a man in the same units. Centimeters just don't cut it and meters are too big.
BoT, are there gonna be any images/videos of the whole thing as it is unfolded?
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
hahaha, blame USA for using a completely different metrics system from the rest of the world
Yea, it's beyond retarded. The entire US measurement system is fucked. 5280 feet in a mile? 12 inches in a foot? What the fuck?
"The metric system is a system of units for measurement developed in late 18th century France by the chemist Lavoisier to replace the disparate systems of measures then in use with a unified, natural and universal system."
It's no surprise that when the USA was settled and founded, a system other than the metric system became commonly used. The issue is really the difficulty of overcoming a change in system (which is not insignificant).
To be fair to standard vs metric it's pretty fucking stupid to measure anything from the size of a pencil eraser to the height of a man in the same units. Centimeters just don't cut it and meters are too big.
BoT, are there gonna be any images/videos of the whole thing as it is unfolded?
Yeah, they should really invent a unit between centimeters and meters.
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
hahaha, blame USA for using a completely different metrics system from the rest of the world
Yea, it's beyond retarded. The entire US measurement system is fucked. 5280 feet in a mile? 12 inches in a foot? What the fuck?
Don't blame us, we didn't make it up. You can blame us for continuing to use it sure, but the 5280, 12 and so forth was already in place when the United States began.
And dumb as it is, 5 foot something or 6 foot something tells me height in a way that's nicely understandable. I know the approximate height of each continent's highest mountain in feet, am used to mph etc. Intertia, thanks to idiots like me, keeps the imperial system going. Not in science though (NASA subcontractor screwup not withstanding) where you have to know the metric system. And I do know it, it just doesn't feel as natural. But the imperial system should just slowly erode away on its own, perhaps with a mixture of units for a while (as in the UK, with road signs in miles and mph still last time I checked).
On October 10 2009 10:06 Sharp-eYe wrote: I died a little inside. We have a recession, and NASA is spending millions on bombing the moon... jeez...
How long do you think they have been planning this experiment for? If you are all for a complete freeze on NASA related research, then you can make that claim, but you shouldn't just wait until someone reports on some experiment and then suddenly throw up your hands and say, how could you have spent money on that?
Metric system should just invent new measurement that is 30 cm which would be used to measure anything you would normally measure in feet. I mean I don't go around telling people I'm 74 inches tall when they ask. It's absurd.
On October 10 2009 10:50 CharlieMurphy wrote: Metric system should just invent new measurement that is 30 cm which would be used to measure anything you would normally measure in feet.
The metric system is fine. I don't see why you feel a need to change it. There is no need to mess with meters and centimeters, or decimeters for that matter.
On October 10 2009 10:50 CharlieMurphy wrote: Metric system should just invent new measurement that is 30 cm which would be used to measure anything you would normally measure in feet. I mean I don't go around telling people I'm 74 inches tall when they ask. It's absurd.
yeah, because we couldnt go around saying 3 decimeters all day now could we? real nuisance..
On October 10 2009 11:07 SiDX wrote: Its a shame they don't have the technology to land people on the moon and bring them back..wait didn't they do that 50 years ago?
Well it was 40, but regardless I don't see what your point is...
Actually if they had to do it again it would be a real problem... the old methods, equipment, etc, all wouldn't work nowadays.
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
hahaha, blame USA for using a completely different metrics system from the rest of the world
Yea, it's beyond retarded. The entire US measurement system is fucked. 5280 feet in a mile? 12 inches in a foot? What the fuck?
Don't blame us, we didn't make it up. You can blame us for continuing to use it sure, but the 5280, 12 and so forth was already in place when the United States began.
And dumb as it is, 5 foot something or 6 foot something tells me height in a way that's nicely understandable. I know the approximate height of each continent's highest mountain in feet, am used to mph etc. Intertia, thanks to idiots like me, keeps the imperial system going. Not in science though (NASA subcontractor screwup not withstanding) where you have to know the metric system. And I do know it, it just doesn't feel as natural. But the imperial system should just slowly erode away on its own, perhaps with a mixture of units for a while (as in the UK, with road signs in miles and mph still last time I checked).
Its nicely understandable to you because you were taught this since early (dude, i hope i didnt mess the verbs here). I was taught always in meters, centimeters, decimeters, kilometers, etc, so m, km and so on sounds very understandable to me. Its like measuring temperature, im used to use Celsius, so when i watch american weather forecasting and they show up the temperatures in Farenheith im just like "what? 80F? wtf? is it gonna be cool or heat??"
On October 10 2009 10:50 CharlieMurphy wrote: Metric system should just invent new measurement that is 30 cm which would be used to measure anything you would normally measure in feet. I mean I don't go around telling people I'm 74 inches tall when they ask. It's absurd.
...only because you've grown up used to speaking in feet. If they never existed and there was only inches you would be perfectly fine with that! People and their choices.
On October 10 2009 05:10 Jonoman92 wrote: One of my engineering professors told our class that recently quite a few million dollars were wasted when NASA was working with some European agency and NASA did their stuff in American measurements instead of SI units.
I'm sure this crash bombing couldn't have a very significant effect on the moon though.
This was in the 1980's iirc (might have been 1990's) and it was a joint venture with the Soviet Union/Russia to send a probe to Mars. Americans read the Soviet measurements as inches when they were in fact centimeters (or miles/kilometers, same principle), and ended up launching the probe too hard and it just exploded on Mars. GG. It was a multi-million, if not billion, dollar venture.
hahaha, blame USA for using a completely different metrics system from the rest of the world
Yea, it's beyond retarded. The entire US measurement system is fucked. 5280 feet in a mile? 12 inches in a foot? What the fuck?
"The metric system is a system of units for measurement developed in late 18th century France by the chemist Lavoisier to replace the disparate systems of measures then in use with a unified, natural and universal system."
It's no surprise that when the USA was settled and founded, a system other than the metric system became commonly used. The issue is really the difficulty of overcoming a change in system (which is not insignificant).
To be fair to standard vs metric it's pretty fucking stupid to measure anything from the size of a pencil eraser to the height of a man in the same units. Centimeters just don't cut it and meters are too big.
BoT, are there gonna be any images/videos of the whole thing as it is unfolded?
Yeah, they should really invent a unit between centimeters and meters.
Oh wai
Yeah.. I hope they really do. And call it something cool like CuteAngelmeter
On October 10 2009 23:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: Is there like any VODs up for this? or any conclusions so far? :\ I've read through the whole thread and not much of it was helpful.
On October 10 2009 10:50 CharlieMurphy wrote: Metric system should just invent new measurement that is 30 cm which would be used to measure anything you would normally measure in feet. I mean I don't go around telling people I'm 74 inches tall when they ask. It's absurd.
Uh if someone tells me they are 190 CM I know objectively how tall they are/would look like.
If someone tells me they are 6 ft 2 I know objectively how tall they are/would look like.
It's frankly all about practice and being raised with the measurements in mind.
man the person who wrote that article is inclined to be retarded. slamming shit into space objects is a widely used method to determine what it's made out of- they usually do it to asteroids. and crashing some spacecraft into the moon may have an impact on the earth? do they believe we can shoot up anything big enough to kick the moon out of its trajectory? the moon might be hollow? ohh my... maybe it's inhabited by leprechauns or made out of cheese...
sadly reminds me of the ppl who are/were protesting against CERN... plain dumb
i feel that some people think of scientists as some evil geniuses who will risk the safety of all mankind in their selfish quests for knowledge... :/
On October 11 2009 05:28 HeaDStrong wrote: man the person who wrote that article is inclined to be retarded. slamming shit into space objects is a widely used method to determine what it's made out of- they usually do it to asteroids. and crashing some spacecraft into the moon may have an impact on the earth? do they believe we can shoot up anything big enough to kick the moon out of its trajectory? the moon might be hollow? ohh my... maybe it's inhabited by leprechauns or made out of cheese...
sadly reminds me of the ppl who are/were protesting against CERN... plain dumb
i feel that some people think of scientists as some evil geniuses who will risk the safety of all mankind in their selfish quests for knowledge... :/
On October 09 2009 23:01 da_head wrote: not only are they destroying expensive technology, but they're fuckin crashing ships into the moon. i thought a more effective tool for bombing would be er... iunno? BOMBS?
The russians tried doing that, then they realized there's no oxygen on the moon, so bombs are out of the equation.
On October 09 2009 23:01 da_head wrote: not only are they destroying expensive technology, but they're fuckin crashing ships into the moon. i thought a more effective tool for bombing would be er... iunno? BOMBS?
The russians tried doing that, then they realized there's no oxygen on the moon, so bombs are out of the equation.
On October 11 2009 05:28 HeaDStrong wrote: man the person who wrote that article is inclined to be retarded. slamming shit into space objects is a widely used method to determine what it's made out of- they usually do it to asteroids. and crashing some spacecraft into the moon may have an impact on the earth? do they believe we can shoot up anything big enough to kick the moon out of its trajectory? the moon might be hollow? ohh my... maybe it's inhabited by leprechauns or made out of cheese...
sadly reminds me of the ppl who are/were protesting against CERN... plain dumb
i feel that some people think of scientists as some evil geniuses who will risk the safety of all mankind in their selfish quests for knowledge... :/
you say that as if it's not made out of cheese...
SWISS cheese to be exact... IMO space rockets are cool. I want humans to colonize the solar system. NASA is piss poor now after all the subsequent cuts by the Congress over the years. They are looking at each dollar thrice. Most projects don't get the money and get scrapped. The rest are delayed or cut down anyway.
On October 10 2009 11:07 SiDX wrote: Its a shame they don't have the technology to land people on the moon and bring them back..wait didn't they do that 50 years ago?
No, they can if they wanted to and NASA got a budget boost. Although, I hear that the old rockets = fail/take forever to set up a moon base, so that's probably out of the question. Thus, new rockets and systems are being developed.
you can see them possibly because you are regged or logged in in sk-gaming or something.
I cant see it either and i'm not from angola
Yep, Sk-gaming seems to have a screwed-up image viewing system. I can see the picture on my desktop but i can't see it on my laptop unless I google it first. No hard feelings fanatacist man, didn't mean to make fun of your country or anything.
On October 09 2009 23:01 da_head wrote: not only are they destroying expensive technology, but they're fuckin crashing ships into the moon. i thought a more effective tool for bombing would be er... iunno? BOMBS?
The russians tried doing that, then they realized there's no oxygen on the moon, so bombs are out of the equation.
No. Bombs (C4, gunpowder, TNT, etc) have their own oxidizer. That means they don't need any extra oxygen to detonate. If they needed the oxygen out of the air, then any "bomb" would just fizzle because the concentration of oxygen in air isn't too great (Like gasoline burning). But you don't need bombs for this experiment.. because:
You can just accelerate an object to fast speeds and just ram it into the moon. For example, a kilogram of TNT exploded releases 4.184 × 10^6 J. But a object that is 1Kg traveling at 2892 meter/sec (Or ~6500 mi/hr) can do the same job. And in space travel, those speeds are not really hard to reach. Plus, with the second method, you don't have to worry about the mechanisms for detonating the TNT working.
i just found out today that my hallmate's dad headed the LCROSS (the satellite that hit the moon) building project. nothing too big to brag about but it was pretty cool going "oh shoot he's that guy working on that thing".
On October 13 2009 12:34 Ichigo1234551 wrote: so did they find water?
“A preliminary analysis of the STIS spectra do not show any clear evidence for hydroxyl, but further analysis is needed,” said Hubble co-investigator Alex Storrs.
So far, no. The lcross team refers it will take "days" for full analysis (why? they need to analyze the data from several sources and over time: http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/water.htm)
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