On October 01 2009 11:49 Kennigit wrote: Oh god here we fucking go....next even slightly nationalistic/china bash/racist comment = 1000 year ching chong bing bong ban.
r u kidding? go ban yourself then mr "ching chang bing bong" yes that is "even slightly racist"
On October 01 2009 10:32 Masamune wrote: I wish America did this. We probably have no clue about the kind of shit they have, with all their top secret technology and military-related stuff. It would be like looking into the future, only it would be the present.
I would probably only watch the Chinese version if it was the only program on the only television channel being broadcasted. It seems like it will just be a large bunch of people marching in unison, with second rate tech compared to the Americans, with the only message being how strong they are...
China has largely caught up in military technology compared to the Western powers and it is projected for them to be even with the US in a decade or so.
On October 01 2009 15:26 Disregard wrote: Anyone here from Southern China (Excluding Hong Kong and Macau)?
Hunan motherfuckers whoo.
This. Not originally from Hunan, but I live there now.
And I don't see why people have to shit up a thread like this... Who cares about who was the center of the world, this is a great day for China and it should be celebrated as such. Forget about any political or moral or whatever agendas you might have, just enjoy the day for what it is: a day of celebration and pride for a great country whose people love it.
I'm proud to have the opportunity to be in China and to participate in the festivities and enjoyment that have been shared here on this day and over the past week. Although I really wish I hadn't stayed out all night and slept through the parade
hunan people unite
where are you guys at? changsha?
Yeah, Changsha is where I'm at.
Not there now but born and raised. All I speak with my parents still is changshahua.
On October 01 2009 10:32 Masamune wrote: I wish America did this. We probably have no clue about the kind of shit they have, with all their top secret technology and military-related stuff. It would be like looking into the future, only it would be the present.
I would probably only watch the Chinese version if it was the only program on the only television channel being broadcasted. It seems like it will just be a large bunch of people marching in unison, with second rate tech compared to the Americans, with the only message being how strong they are...
China has already caught up to the US and other European countries in terms of military technology, that's why they buy equipment from Russia.
But as far as I know, Timbuktu is also on the verge of rivaling the American and Chinese military. In fact, they have new biological missiles, which when detonated, fly over enemy territories and release a newly bioengineered species of Cordyceps that affect Homosapiens. This causes its victims to find the highest altitude they can reach (usually skyscrapers in metropolises or barns in rural areas), where they die shortly after, releasing more of these deadly spores onto unknowing victims.
On October 01 2009 15:26 Disregard wrote: Anyone here from Southern China (Excluding Hong Kong and Macau)?
Hunan motherfuckers whoo.
This. Not originally from Hunan, but I live there now.
And I don't see why people have to shit up a thread like this... Who cares about who was the center of the world, this is a great day for China and it should be celebrated as such. Forget about any political or moral or whatever agendas you might have, just enjoy the day for what it is: a day of celebration and pride for a great country whose people love it.
I'm proud to have the opportunity to be in China and to participate in the festivities and enjoyment that have been shared here on this day and over the past week. Although I really wish I hadn't stayed out all night and slept through the parade
hunan people unite
where are you guys at? changsha?
Yeah, Changsha is where I'm at.
Not there now but born and raised. All I speak with my parents still is changshahua.
Guang Xi - Gui Lin =DDD
any1 from near where i live? >< like in guang xi? ><
On October 01 2009 14:35 MuffinDude wrote: Lol, my dad went back to china just to watch it.
On October 01 2009 14:20 Empyrean wrote:
On October 01 2009 14:15 Xxio wrote:
Ill add to this in saying the reason we dont learn much about china is because quite honestly the perception whether right or wrong is that they werent that important in the grand scheme of things. They were important in a sense that they had trade and were a stable power for an incredibly long time......but their sphere of influence just wasnt that big at least in the western world, probably because they kept to themselves militarily(afaik).
Thats more of what I was getting at when I was saying that china was never the center of the world.
This is coming from a "Western" viewpoint obviously.
Why are you so confident when you admit you never learned anything about this?
China invented paper, gunpowder, the compass. Without the compass there never would have been any globalization. When Europe and China began to trade in the 17th cent. China only exported (similar to today) while silver flowed in. European goods that reached China were just curiosities. Pepper from China was the most sought after and expensive good in the world along with ceramics. Ceramics "changed the standards of aesthetics in Europe" (Vermeer's Hat) and European nations fought over trade with China. China didn't give a shit about them yet through this one sided trade the East Asian Company among others that pioneered significant international trade were created. Even philosophical ideas like Indra's Net were studied by literati like Voltaire who thought that China was a utopia of Sage-King rulers. The trade was so one sided that through until the mid 19th century that Britain literally initiated war with China to create unfair treaties so they wouldn't fall victim to their own greed for Chinese goods. Chinese art, clothes, and architecture became signs of status among the European upper class. China made tea popular in Britain ffs. Many many scholars attribute the beginnings of modernization to China.
I can provide sources if you want.
While China may have been powerful and prosperous, that doesn't mean that it was the center of the world. For much of the time period we're talking about (I'm assuming what, 800-1800s or so?), the Arabian empires were the centers of trade, where global powers would converge and do business. Even if they weren't as technologically advanced or powerful as China was (also debatable here), they were literally at the "center" of the world, where everyone came to conduct business, trade, and spread knowledge.
EDIT: I actually went to high school in the US, and we learned quite a deal about Chinese history. Just responding to whomever said that US schools don't teach Chinese history.
A lot of things are revolved around china nowadays, as america owe china billions of dollars.
And I go to high school in US, in my senior year, taking gov/econ and trust me, you learn shit about China. All you learn is that communism takes over and how shitty mao was at running a country. You arn't taught that americans/europeans were dirty mother fuckers who took advantage of disorganized china.
First, I wasn't even talking about the modern era. And if we were to, I'd argue that there isn't a single center, as economies are so interconnected these days that it'd just be foolish to argue that one country is the center of the world. Just because China holds hundreds of billions of dollars of U.S. debt doesn't make it any more important than any other country; pretty much the entire global economy is so interdependent that the removal of any one node would collapse much of the current system. By that notion, China being a significant trade partner with the U.S. doesn't grant that much more clout than, say, the E.U. besides increased trade volume.
As for your high school, you must have not been lucky enough to attend one with decent history classes. In our world history class we learned all about American, European, and Japanese imperialism at China's loss and negotiations such as the Unequal Treaties, Opium Wars, and other such measures taken against a pathetically weak Qing China. As for "classical" China, we also covered the various rises and falls of different Chinese dynasties, and its relations with other powers such as caliphate Arabia, smaller Asiatic empires, and Europe.
We also learned about Mao's numerous failures (Cultural Revolution, Great Leap Forward) that did show that yes, there were instances in which he sucked at running a country. We also learned about Deng Xiaoping's subsequent westernization and modernization of China's industry and economy and led to its current success.
Sure I learned those, but heres the problem, thats about half the shit that usa and europeans did to china. The government took it out of the curriculum because don't want to mention it.
On October 01 2009 14:35 MuffinDude wrote: And I go to high school in US, in my senior year, taking gov/econ and trust me, you learn shit about China. All you learn is that communism takes over and how shitty mao was at running a country. You arn't taught that americans/europeans were dirty mother fuckers who took advantage of disorganized china.
Here are the history classes that I learned in high school.
World History - Mainly focuses on europe and china is mentioned during imperialism when european and americans are fucking china over because they look down on anybody but white American History - Talk about china during the red scare. All I learned was some guy wanted to the nuke china during the korean war because he looked down on anybody but white Government/Econ - Talk about how us owes china billions of dollar.
Sounds like you really are taking your education seriously. "All I learned was...", with a lead-in like this, any argument you have to offer is completely defunct - there is much more to the story than that. Get off your high-horse and stop trying to argue that China is this pure, even handed state which the rest of the evil world is trying to corrupt.
All countries have had their problems, all have made their contributions and basically every major power, at some point has taken advantage of another country. Its the way humanity has acted for centuries.
Also watch you language. Im a european and I do not like having my heritage stamped upon, as well as incorrectly portrayed by someone who clearly has not bothered to listen in class. Learn some manners, and treat everyone in the world with the respect and courtesy they deserve.
Hey, all I stated was the truth. If you don't like how the truth goes, then its your ancestor's fault isn't it?
On October 01 2009 16:17 jfazz wrote: Read what i said more carefully before posting please. Did I ever say european countries have never caused harm to other countires?
All countries have had their problems, all have made their contributions and basically every major power, at some point has taken advantage of another country. Its the way humanity has acted for centuries.
Actually, it looks like I said exactly what you are saying...
If you actually look at history, even though chinese history is much longer than european history, europeans has fucked over more minorities than china has.
On October 01 2009 10:32 Masamune wrote: I wish America did this. We probably have no clue about the kind of shit they have, with all their top secret technology and military-related stuff. It would be like looking into the future, only it would be the present.
I would probably only watch the Chinese version if it was the only program on the only television channel being broadcasted. It seems like it will just be a large bunch of people marching in unison, with second rate tech compared to the Americans, with the only message being how strong they are...
China has already caught up to the US and other European countries in terms of military technology, that's why they buy equipment from Russia.
But as far as I know, Timbuktu is also on the verge of rivaling the American and Chinese military. In fact, they have new biological missiles, which when detonated, fly over enemy territories and release a newly bioengineered species of Cordyceps that affect Homosapiens. This causes its victims to find the highest altitude they can reach (usually skyscrapers in metropolises or barns in rural areas), where they die shortly after, releasing more of these deadly spores onto unknowing victims.
Oh stop arguing about the military. We're at a point where if we declared war on each other, we can end humanity.
It's a parade, which means its for ordinary folks. Hardly any amazing relevations in quality nor quantity, restricted by the format itself. What's this wishy washy talk about China catching up to US? Level of technology cannot be discerned from the shape of a tank or the aircraft. Some of the 'strategic bomber' shown are the same that appeared 10 years ago, themselves Russian models licensed for production.
The only things remotely interesting were the drones, simply showing China is also developing in the un-manned weapons department.
Nowadays, equipment identical in outward appearance can be vastly different in combat given it's the electronics and counter measures that more and more determines the outcome of an engagement. The indigenious J-10s are approximate in performance (traditional measures such as range/speed/turning) to F-16 which is 30 years old. The difference in electronics and weaponory technology we can never tell however given how China still sought european/russian technology which arguably lag behind US, it is pretty obviously not quite there yet.
One thing China is good at is targetted development, not going engaging in a arms race on the strengths of US. For example, China has not put overwhelming resources in aircraft carriers, partly due to technology and lack of suitable aircraft, but also partly due to the cost effectiveness of developing counters such as missiles and subs instead of competing in the same arena.
On October 01 2009 16:25 illu wrote: On the other hand, if you still think it's atrocious, here's something to keep in mind: the following countries also have specific names that are not direct transliterations:
- 英国 (Great Britain), lit. Country of Bravery - 法国 (France), lit. Country of Law - 德国 (Germany), lit. Country of Virtue - 美国 (US), lit. Country of Beauty
This is all bullshit and complete transliteration.
The Chinese names take the first sound of every country's original name.
En, Fr, Deu, Me
There's no reason anyone needs to even defend the name "Middle Kingdom." It came into use not at the beginning but sometime later, and it's built into the identity of the country's long history.
Half right. Although you are right, and the characters do sound like the country's name, When it comes to naming things Chinese people are very careful, and usually pick out a nice name into a nice translation. For example, Zai jia xue zhongwen This can mean 2 things. At Home learning chinese At Canada learning chinese. On chinese broadcasts, they will typically use "Canada" as a pun.
On October 01 2009 11:49 Kennigit wrote: Oh god here we fucking go....next even slightly nationalistic/china bash/racist comment = 1000 year ching chong bing bong ban.
On October 01 2009 11:49 Kennigit wrote: Oh god here we fucking go....next even slightly nationalistic/china bash/racist comment = 1000 year ching chong bing bong ban.
Ugh I agree. It's apparently impossible for people to stay on topic and not go off into a melee when a China topic is opened =.=
On October 01 2009 11:49 Kennigit wrote: Oh god here we fucking go....next even slightly nationalistic/china bash/racist comment = 1000 year ching chong bing bong ban.
r u kidding? go ban yourself then mr "ching chang bing bong" yes that is "even slightly racist"
On October 01 2009 11:49 Kennigit wrote: Oh god here we fucking go....next even slightly nationalistic/china bash/racist comment = 1000 year ching chong bing bong ban.
r u kidding? go ban yourself then mr "ching chang bing bong" yes that is "even slightly racist"
gee, I wonder where you're from.
Does it matter?
I guess no, since he will still be a racist bastard.
Lol, I'm not racist, I just don't like ignorant nationalism. There's a reason why the China topics are always closed, when say, a topic regarding Japan will generally stay on course.
I don't see why there can't be more Chinese posters like Affla or Empyrean who are objective and proud of their country, yet not as retarded. Sorry for lack of better words.
On October 02 2009 10:40 MuffinDude wrote: [Oh stop arguing about the military. We're at a point where if we declared war on each other, we can end humanity.
And since this is a topic of China's military might, yes there can be a valid comparison drawn. Both countries can end humanity, but one can do it much more efficiently, quicker, and more times over, just to name a few.
On October 02 2009 11:35 Masamune wrote: Lol, I'm not racist, I just don't like ignorant nationalism. There's a reason why the China topics are always closed, when say, a topic regarding Japan will generally stay on course.
I don't see why there can't be more Chinese posters like Affla or Empyrean who are objective and proud of their country, yet not as retarded. Sorry for lack of better words.
We chinese arn't retarded, we chinese are just tired of people like you constantly trash talking us. We were picked on for the last century and the main reason is because of idiots like you, and we want to change that.
On October 02 2009 10:40 MuffinDude wrote: Oh stop arguing about the military. We're at a point where if we declared war on each other, we can end humanity.
And since this is a topic of China's military might, yes there can be a valid comparison drawn. Both countries can end humanity, but one can do it much more efficiently, quicker, and more times over, just to name a few.
I can't think of any more faster and efficient way of ending humanity than starting a nuclear war. And if you end humanity, I'm pretty sure you can't do it "more times over"
lol, it ain't him muffindude. he's just a some guy on the internet, the imperialists from the last century were businessmen. England funded their industrialization on colonialism. anyway the cost of modernity has been high but China needed it and with no foreign controling elements. The Chinese managed both which is reason for praise already. Last I check there ain't no foreign military base in the Middle Kingdom. Feel me?
And no, it doesn't matter Masamune. Why do you have to be Chinese to care?
Do you really think it makes any difference how many times a country can destroy the earth? Nobody wants even 1/10 destroyed. Sounds like something a kid would say.