EPTMost concerts are waaaay to fucking loud, sometimes I can barely hear anything over all the fucking noise... so sad...
The Loudness War - Page 5
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
Most concerts are waaaay to fucking loud, sometimes I can barely hear anything over all the fucking noise... so sad... | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
On September 03 2009 20:17 7mk wrote: Oh btw. something that I find much worse than this loudness issue is loudness in concerts. Most concerts are waaaay to fucking loud, sometimes I can barely hear anything over all the fucking noise... so sad... Really? I'm finding it to be the exact opposite recently. All these new regulations have meant that venues over here just aren't allowed to pump up their volume like they used to. On topic - Yeah, the loudness war is a sad one, and one for which digital technology is partly to blame. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On September 03 2009 20:17 7mk wrote: Oh btw. something that I find much worse than this loudness issue is loudness in concerts. Most concerts are waaaay to fucking loud, sometimes I can barely hear anything over all the fucking noise... so sad... Yeah I thought about too and I totally agree. Alot of times when I went to concerts with metal bands I can hardly hear shit, except for bass. It's fucking ridiculous. The best concert I've probably been to was Blind Guardian. They weren't that loud and the music sounded amazing, you could hear every noted played. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On September 03 2009 20:23 jtype wrote: Really? I'm finding it to be the exact opposite recently. All these new regulations have meant that venues over here just aren't allowed to pump up their volume like they used to. On topic - Yeah, the loudness war is a sad one, and one for which digital technology is partly to blame. What new regulations? Unfortunately I'm not very in touch with news, were theye EU-wide or just in the UK? My last concert was machinehead/slipknot (yeah, a pop concert) a few months ago, when machinehead played it was still ok, already quite loud but then slipknot (unfortunately main act) played and they turned it up soooooo much more. It was ridiculous. I don't get how anybody who didnt have something to cover their ears didn't get permanent tinitus | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On September 03 2009 02:58 the_enborfser wrote: The worst part of being a musician is knowing that anything you record is going to end up way over-compressed and in mp3 form... i hate mp3s so much That's not really the format's fault. You can create mp3s with very high bitrates and extremely good quality. It depends a lot on the people who compress the music. | ||
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Lancaster
Canada12 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On September 03 2009 20:07 7mk wrote: Loooooooooool, The Mars Volta is mainstream pop lololol I actually kind of agreed with you, very many RHCP are pop rock in my opinion, some were more funk, some alternative, but some are pretty popish - but I still like them cause they are just much much better than all these silly pop bands who use the same melodies over and over again. But Mars Volta? Lolol, they made some of the un-mainstream-friendly albums/songs ever. So a 10 minute song that starts with 3 minutes of weird atmospheric noises on the radio is mainstream nowadays?? Ah, I see... if that's mainstream than Children Of Bodom sure as hell is the pinnacle of fucking sell out + Show Spoiler + they aren't though also what is up with this: Yeah it's totally ridiculous, its like comparing apples and bananas, its like comparing... Oh wait, he asked you to compare RHCP to.... ... .. RHCP can't be that ridiculous then huh? It's no different than say Early Dimmu compared to later Dimmu. Bands change their production throughout their life. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Lower recording volume doesn't necessarily mean better clarity. Anyways, I'll watch the video then comment. I'm just challenging the notion that "every" band, or many bands are raising their volume levels purposefully creating worst musicianship for the sole purpose of "selling more records". Frankly, I'm waiting for the research to back this assertion up. Hell, listen to power metal they have the best production of any genre and the music is pretty loud. Case in point: + Show Spoiler + You telling me this has poor sound quality because it was produced at a higher dB? | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
Ok, so i listened to RHCP Californication Regular Album on 128 KBPS. Then i listened to the Unmastered (supposedly fuckinfantasticaly better version) of RHCP Californication on 192 KBPS and my conclusions are: They sound the SAME. I didnt hear no noticeable difference except for the (annoying) fact that the normal album is way louder. Besides that i didnt perceive any differences in ranges or depth or anything. Still just a preliminar test. Gonna try it later with headphones (good). | ||
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Wangsta
United States776 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
It's definitely awful but it's such old news by now, and most of the music I listen to isn't any mainstream poppy stuff that's getting mutilated by this - but when I pop on the few artists / albums that are, I cringe inside, it's noticable and really off-putting If any of you are head-fiers, I'm Luminette over at www.head-fi.org :'o | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On September 04 2009 10:55 phosphorylation wrote: It is also my opinion that 99 percent of bands are pretty damn clueless about what they are doing..both musically and artistically. With neither artistic integrity and credo, it is not surprising that they allow (or simply are ignorant that) such distorted, rubbish-sounding records get published. this has nothing to do with a band's musical or artistic talent. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
try reading my post again | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On September 09 2009 13:03 phosphorylation wrote: i know try reading my post again round 2.... On September 04 2009 10:55 phosphorylation wrote: It is also my opinion that 99 percent of bands are pretty damn clueless about what they are doing..both musically and artistically. With neither artistic integrity and credo... has nothing to do with record publication. ie: you said "since, A, thus B", to which i responded "A does not cause B"; which then "you know". HOORJ | ||
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cyronc
218 Posts
/begin textwall looks like that |a--------------------b| a=minimum possible loudness b=maximum possible loudness now lets say there is a loudest(L) and most quiet(Q) sound in the recording, this will look something like that |a--Q-----------L----b| so if you now play this and turn up down the volume this shape WILL STAY THE SAME, when you put down the volume your most quiet(Q) sound will be lowered by the same percentage as your loudest(L) sound, thus KEEPING THE RELATIONS INTACT example given you turn your volume up to 50 dB (b=50 dB now) |a--Q-----------L----b| the relative distance of your most quiet(Q) and loudest(L) sound to the maximum stays the same, even if you turn down volume to 30 dB all the volume is turned down by a PERCENTAGE equally, so the shape stays |a--Q-----------L----b| with the only difference that b=30 dB now. SO WHATS THAT DYNAMIC RANGE COMPRESSION/LOUDNESS WAR THINGY? |a--Q-----------L----b| original recording |a--------------Q---Lb| example for loudness war not only were the loudness levels of both Q and L heightenend, BUT the DYNAMIC RANGE, that is the whole range from the most quiet(Q) to the loudest(L) sound of the recording, was REDUCED (through use of a dynamic range compressor) and that means the post-mastered dynamic-range-compressed track DOESNT SOUND like the ORIGINAL, NEITHER CAN THE DYNAMIC RANGE COMPRESSION BE UNDONE BY SIMPLE ADJUSTING OF VOLUME. that means: you have a new shape that has less possible information in it (due to its sounds not being able to have the original range of loudness differences) and the variety of loudness a musician can use as stylistic tool to create certain moods/effects/whatever is hampered. conclusion: an artist can and should, of course, use dynamic range compression to his liking, BUT IT SUCKS WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE FORCES DYNAMIC RANGE COMPRESSION ON A RELEASE IF ITS NOT THE ARTISTS INTENTION AND THEREBY DESTROYS HIS WORK OF ART(thats what professional music industry does, to assure ppl always hear the music initially at maximum loudness to produce alertness in the costumer-to-be) /end textwall, hope the extensive use of capslock doesnt offend anyone anyways gl hf =) | ||
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stanley_
United States816 Posts
I didn't notice this in music a lot, cause i don't listen to full albums. | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
On September 04 2009 02:06 Aegraen wrote: Hell, listen to power metal they have the best production of any genre and the music is pretty loud. Case in point: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCYlOS9ZNW0 You telling me this has poor sound quality because it was produced at a higher dB? No, but I'd tell you it has poor sound quality because Celesty is a terrible power metal band  .<troll>Listen to DragonForce, they're so technically proficient!</troll> There is definitely power metal with great production values (some Gamma Ray albums come to mind), but there's no doubt that they suffer from volume issues as well. | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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