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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
September 10 2009 13:23 GMT
#101
On September 03 2009 20:28 7mk wrote:
My last concert was machinehead/slipknot (yeah, a pop concert) a few months ago, when machinehead played it was still ok, already quite loud but then slipknot (unfortunately main act) played and they turned it up soooooo much more. It was ridiculous. I don't get how anybody who didnt have something to cover their ears didn't get permanent tinitus


Obviously you went to the concert, so you know how loud it was, but other factors to take into account are things like poor venue acoustics and badly selected/low-quality/mismatched PA equipment.

Resonances and harmonics created by a poor acoustic environment or poor equipment could be behind a lot of the ear fatigue, rather than the volume itself.
simfarm
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Ireland75 Posts
September 10 2009 13:44 GMT
#102
Very interesting.
Mah Buckit!
Profile Joined April 2009
Finland474 Posts
September 10 2009 13:57 GMT
#103
manowar
/war


Starcraft? Epic Grimness.
yooh
Profile Joined March 2009
China223 Posts
September 11 2009 13:27 GMT
#104
to the windowwwwwww
to the walll!!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66160 Posts
September 11 2009 17:11 GMT
#105
Great post and info, I remember my parents telling me this after hearing about it in 9 o clock Korean news and youngsters were getting partially deaf much earlier.

I should reduce volume on my ipod now D:
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theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
September 08 2011 15:14 GMT
#106
Not sure if this has been linked yet but this guy knows what he's talking about:
kirdie
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 15:24:27
September 08 2011 15:20 GMT
#107
This is stupid because:

1. you never hear the music with the recorded volume, you change your own volume control according to your preference
2. in the digital age I expect all music to be normalized. normalization means that you scale the volume exactly so that the loudest part has the highest possible value (if you have trouble understanding this imagine an image where you increase the brightness until the brightest pixel has exactly 255 (highest 8 bit value) in one component (red, green oder blue))

P.S.: Ok I have to correct myself after reading all the details. Only using the highest 5 db by using compressors and limiters is so stupid that I didn't imaging someone could do this :-)
I mean is it really true that the loudest track gets the most attention? I prefer the best sounding one :-)
Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
September 08 2011 15:26 GMT
#108
What's wrong with this? It honestly sounds better with more volume imo
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Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
September 08 2011 15:43 GMT
#109
The post above made me cry a little.

I blame you and your fellow teen friends for making the record companies do this!

If all you're after is volume, then turn up the volume of your speakers. gg? The problem with the loudness war is that the range is removed...
Valar Morghulis
theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
September 08 2011 15:48 GMT
#110
Actually, the real problem seems to be the ipod and specifically the 'shuffle' feature. When tracks are played next to each other, record labels are afraid their tracks sound softer than their neighbours.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
September 08 2011 15:53 GMT
#111
On September 09 2011 00:26 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
What's wrong with this? It honestly sounds better with more volume imo

how much more volume are you gonna go for? more volume until your ears can't hear your own breathing or the birds outside?
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
September 08 2011 15:55 GMT
#112
I'm not sure how I feel about this honestly... It seems like it can be taken too far in either direction.

I've downloaded several high quality FLAC files with high dynamic range that were simply intolerable, because the high-pitched and louder than normal snare treble hurts the ears. There are honestly times where the reduced quality and "blending" affect can make some albums sound better, and made me delete the higher quality tracks in favor of my older mp3's.

Then again, I don't listen to much modern music, I'm a huge classic rock fan. Modern pop does sound very muddled to me, and there is a HUGE volume difference between my oldest tracks and my newest tracks on my ipod. I have to isolate the quieter/older songs and manually raise their default volume to create uniformity and prevent myself from going deaf after switching from an old to a new track.

The first part of the video does a good job showing the differences from compression, but the second part of the video doesn't. You are simply drawn to the louder track. If they played the tracks at the same volume it would better illustrate the actual dynamic differences instead of just the different volume. That's probably why many people will reach the conclusion of kirdie above.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Gnosis
Profile Joined December 2008
Scotland912 Posts
September 08 2011 16:02 GMT
#113
On September 09 2011 00:43 Lucidity wrote:
The post above made me cry a little.

I blame you and your fellow teen friends for making the record companies do this!

If all you're after is volume, then turn up the volume of your speakers. gg? The problem with the loudness war is that the range is removed...


To be fair, how many people - outside of 'audiophiles' - know enough about music to say anything other than "it sounds the same to me"? How many people have spent the time in concert and in studio to know when the sound of a cymbal, or bass, or whatever, is accurate? Probably very little, because they haven't been trained or haven't cared to notice. More probably, they've been trained not to notice.

I love mp3's for the fact that I can bring them anywhere, but I hate their audio fidelity. I hate vinyl for the bulk, but I love the audio fidelity.

The problem, I think, is that the 'consumer' has been told that audio equipment should be relatively cheap; that music should be easily accessible, etc. The system is built to sell records, not to sound the best it can.
"Reason is flawless, de jure, but reasoners are not, de facto." – Peter Kreeft
Icapica
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland206 Posts
September 08 2011 16:10 GMT
#114
On September 09 2011 00:26 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
What's wrong with this? It honestly sounds better with more volume imo

But you can set it as loud as you want anyway by turning the volume knob. The problem with loudness war is that sound quality gets worse.
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
September 08 2011 16:17 GMT
#115
On September 09 2011 00:48 theSAiNT wrote:
Actually, the real problem seems to be the ipod and specifically the 'shuffle' feature. When tracks are played next to each other, record labels are afraid their tracks sound softer than their neighbours.

I don't think it is just the record labels.
If I have music playing in the background, I don't want to fiddle with the volume every time the song changes. I DON'T want to have to turn my tv up when there is whispering and then down again when the guns start firing.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
September 08 2011 16:23 GMT
#116
Valar Morghulis
Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 16:27:22
September 08 2011 16:25 GMT
#117
On September 09 2011 01:17 gyth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:48 theSAiNT wrote:
Actually, the real problem seems to be the ipod and specifically the 'shuffle' feature. When tracks are played next to each other, record labels are afraid their tracks sound softer than their neighbours.

I don't think it is just the record labels.
If I have music playing in the background, I don't want to fiddle with the volume every time the song changes. I DON'T want to have to turn my tv up when there is whispering and then down again when the guns start firing.

If you have to do that then the sound engineers fucked up (A notable example of this in my experience is Breaking Bad). Obviously the range can't be too high (in music), but what they're doing nowadays is going overboard.

Sorry for the double post. Mafia habit.
Valar Morghulis
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 16:42:25
September 08 2011 16:42 GMT
#118
Trolltastic bump, lol?

I myself constantly fight the urge to turn my music up when driving/etc, though. Kind of sucks.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
September 08 2011 16:55 GMT
#119
On September 09 2011 00:53 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:26 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
What's wrong with this? It honestly sounds better with more volume imo

how much more volume are you gonna go for? more volume until your ears can't hear your own breathing or the birds outside?

You can control the volume via the media player you are currently using instead of letting the studio do it... if possible...
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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
September 08 2011 17:01 GMT
#120
My first impression was that this was about internet arguments or political debates.
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