The Scott Loper Story [WTF story] - Page 7

On August 26 2009 13:32 Gota wrote:


would you care to elaborate at what you are better than the US? sports? hell no! economic? gnp 14 times lower sc? still no.. sorry

edit: btw, I live in brazil but I am american.. and hell even here is much better then freakin canada

On August 30 2009 07:37 Buddy Logan wrote:
There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true;
the other is to refuse to believe what is true.

I usually try not to comment on a situation unless I have a qualified opinion to make. Such an opinion would be one derived from some sort of experience, background, or research.

I have only looked at two pages of comments here, but I have found no such enlightening remarks. Instead, I have found opinions based on misconceptions, incorrect statements and either extreme lack of knowledge or no knowledge at all of the subject at hand. Please excuse me for saying so, as I really don't wish to insult, but such comments are completely valueless to intellegent conversation.

I have been this route before, so I am not going to keep coming back and bantering back and forth with those who want to find fault no matter how ridiculous the argument. However, for those who are truly interested in just what happened here, and why it matters to each and every American AND Canadian citizen, I will try to answer by providing the following:

My name is Buddy Logan, and I am a volunteer media relations person for Scott Loper.
This story is detailed and documented at http://www.scottloperstory.com .

You can believe this story or not believe it, but please do not make ignorant comments. It is just as easy to believe in the possibility of circumstances as it is to discount them, when you have no solid basis for your opinion. The difference is that the first choice may prove productive in uniting a father and son, and forcing governments to be responsible for their citizens. The second choice goes nowhere.

Take the high road! Instead of accusing Scott Loper of being a liar (for what reason I don't know), ask why the Canadian government is refusing to provide any legitimate documentation in this case. Ask why the U.S. State department is refusing to respond to the Canadian admission of the violation of Scott Loper's Vienna Convention rights. There are many unanswered questions. The Canadian government is holdng them. Nothing's going to happen here without political pressure.

It is important to understand, first of all, that we do not have a pile of evidence as to what went on in Canada. Most assuredly, the Canadians DO. Just as assuredly, if they had justifyable evidence of the transgressions against Scott (referring to his arrest on extorted charges and subsequent conviction on counts unrelated to the original charge), it would be in their best interest to produce that evidence. They have not done so.

It is also important to understand that the charge is not that the "government of Canada tortured him". The torture was perpetrated by a small group of crooked Durham Regional Police, with the help of compliant jail guards, in nearby Whitby Jail, a small prison used to house those awaiting trial. Durham Regional Police interacted with Whitby Jail (since torn down) on a regular basis, to the point where there were shared payroll expenses between the two establishments.

The government of Canada comes into the picture when an investigation of the Durham Regional Police is put into action and Scott Loper is released and directly taken out of the country, left shackled and handcuffed at a U.S. border patrol station and their attempts to cover up the whole ordeal.

I'm going to try to be as concise as possible. If you want more detail (and you should), please go to the Web site. Once again, it is http://www.scottloperstory.com .

As a former Sheriff's officer trained in internal affairs, it did not take Scott long to notice illegal activity on the part of his neighbors. He gathered evidence. True - some of that evidence may not have been admissable in court, but it was plenty for the RCMP to establish an investigation or sting operation.

When the criminal Durham Regional Police officers discovered his surveillence, they, of course, were willing to go to any extremes to destroy the evidence. They caught up with Scott's wife when the two of them were not together, cornered and threatened her into filing a restraining order. (No, we don't have that either. Paperwork was never given to Scott and, even if it had been, he would not have been allowed to leave the country with it, as he was stripped of all documentation.) He was arrested within ten minutes of placing a call to Carolyn. He did not see a court room for 7 months (this is CANADA, not the US!).

By that time, he had undergone months of deprivation and torture, and was barely coherent. Somehow the charges escalated to "criminal harrassment". We do not know how that happemed. As I said, Scott was barely aware of what was going on at that point. He spent two years there at the Whitby Jail, then was re-convicted for writing to one of Carolyn's relatives, (trying to get her to go to the RCMP), and spend almost another two years in another prison. He was released when an investigation was begun into the Durham Regional Police force. (Documented on the Web site). As usually happens woth these type of "investigations" in Canada, the whole situation was whitewashed, and Scott was thrown out of the county - no credit cards - no bank accounts - no car - no identification - no wife - no child.

To answer some of the statements made:

It is true that Fox News has a reputation of leaning to the right, as MSN-ABC has of leaning to the left. That does not mean their news is non-credible. There is not a media source out there that will provide you a whole truth - especially in this day and age when the majority of the news media is owned and controlled by 9 corporate giants. If you really want to know what is going on in the world, do some research!!

So, while we're on that subject, those who say they have found no evidence of Canadian police corruption on the Web really, really need to brush up on your searching skills. Really! It doesn't take much - especially concerning the Toronto area. (Durham Region, where this took place, is just off the northern tip of Toronto. It is policy in Canada to cover up corruption for fear that the people will lose faith in law enforcement and quit putting pictures of mounties on their restaurant place mats. One of the ways they do this is to transfer criminal cops out of the area. Thus, the problem spreads and festers.)

Here's a couple of starters for you:
Google: "totonto police corruption" or "Canada police corruption" . Pretty elemental research!
You might also look for "Canada's Approach to Combatting Police Corruption", a mindblowing strudy put together by Crown prosecutors and other legal experts, which clearly shows that the national policy is to white-wash, cover up, deny and, where prosecution cannot be avoided, blame one scapegoat for lesser crimes and have that person take the fall.

One person stated "I've also googled, with several different search strings, for a cocaine smuggling ring..." Please - note - this has nothing to do with smuggling. Go the the Web site. Read the story!

After you have researched a bit, and read stories of the government confiscation of news media coverage of events where the police might be at fault, as well as the stories of police shaking down drug dealers and reselling their drugs, using intimidation and extortion to cover their butts, and perpetrating everything from felonious assult to murder, and the Canadian authorities response to these events, you may begin to get a picture of what is happening here - paranoia of pubic sentiment leading to the festering growth of organized crime among Canada's police departments!

I should also point out (due to comments) that we are talking about the Durham REGIONAL Police Force - not the town of Durham, Ontario. The events occurred in the town of Ajax.

---------------- T H E F A C T S ----------------

The facts in the case, at this juncture, are fairly simple - mainly because the Canadian Government is hanging on to most of them and they are not letting go. There are many points, but I am talking here about VERIFYABLE FACTS, which are:

1.Scott Loper was arrested for "Breech of Court Order". These charges somehow escalated to "Felony Criminal Harrassment".
2.Scott Loper's ex-wife and 11-year-old son are "missing". The Canadian government knows where they are. They are not telling.
3.Four U.S. Congressional representatives have all tried to push the U.S. State Department to put pressure on the Canadians to do what is decent and right. The State Department has proven to have a stronger desire to please the Canadian government than one of its own citizens, forcing one Congressman (Frank Wolf) to make the comment that the State Department is not interested in defending the rights of ANY U.S. citizen who's Vienna Convention rights have been violated by a foreign country.
4.After first denying that Scott Loper ever even lived in Canada, that government, when proven wrong, then produced an unsigned document from an admisability hearing, dated three years after he was arrested, as a waiver of Scott's Vienna Convention rights. This document has no meaning whatsoever on that factor and, indeed, simply proves, by their holding it up as evidence, that the Canadians have NO such waiver. Furthermore, if it were a valid document, it would only prove, beyond a doubt, that the Canadians violated Scott Loper's Vienna Convention rights to contact his consulate "without delay."

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There is no justifyable reason for what happened to Scott Loper, and there is no reason he and his son should be deprived of a relationship with one another. We are not on a crusade to change the Canadian system although, if we can contribute to that in some why by exposing this case, this can only be a positive side effect.

This is an issue on the U.S. side where the government refuses to protect its citizens. It is an issue on the Canadian side for a number of reasons - most importantly, where it regards police corruption and a policy of the government. from one level to another, of either sticking their heads in the sand or, when that doesn't work, working hard to whitewash crime and corruption.

It has become sadly apparent that the only way we are going to get to the facts of the Scott Loper Story is through public outcry. That is our purpose, and that is what we are trying to do.

------------- M E D I A I N F O R M A T I O N --------------

There are other documents and information in this case that we can not, at this time, put on public display, due to the necessity of protecting the sources of this information. However, if you are a VERIFYABLE member of the media, and wish to contact me concerning this information, please do not hesitate to do so. My contact information is available on the ScottLoperStory.com Web site, under "Media Contact"

If any one else has any questions or, more importantly, information they would like to address directly to me, please do so.

On August 30 2009 08:39 Slaughter wrote:
I don't know how anyone could hate Canada, they don't do anything to piss anyone off and generally are nice. Plus they gave the world the best sport in the world: Hockey. Plus going into Canada when you live in Michigan is easy and a nice lil trip :D

On August 26 2009 10:54 Jibba wrote:

Canada's best export imo


All 3 of those are perfect.