This incredible and unbelievable story began at about 5:30 mark oif the video.
Here's a summary on the story, i'd strongly suggest u go through the video for more details about this, basically Scott Lopper is a retired Sheriff from New Jersey that moved over to Canada with his family to live there. He discovered there's a cocain ring run by the local police authority and begun to investigate into it by himself, and he got arrested on a charge which was based on no proof at all by the local authority.
After he got arrested, he was tortured by the canadian authority for seven months without being brought forward to a court, wasn't given the chance to contact an american consulate nor was he given the right to have a lawyer to represent him, He was tortured because the canadian authority wants to know the results of his investigation into the canadian police drug ring.
After being dropped over the american border after 4 years of illegal incarceration, and this is where the story gets interesting, after he returned to the US he gets a lawyer and head towards the congress and demands justice be done with the canadian authorities, and basically the congress replied by saying, they aren't gonna do anything about this case because of the political ties between the 2 countries is at stake....
This is just a rough summary i'd strongly suggest u go through the video to catch all the details i've left out...
This is un-fuking-believable that it happened at all almost at the border of bullshit. Can someone from Canada comment on this? if its possible if u could link any relating articles from your side of the story to see wtf is really going on? Seriously, this is one of the most fucked up things to have happened in Canada and the US, i wouldn't be surprised if this happened in another country.... but Canada? sheesh...
As an american I feel obligated to report that I too have received equal treatment from Canadian people and can fully sympathize / confirm this is well within their ability as a people.
I am Canadian and feel the need to comment that I have felt the spiteful sting of Americans and feel that if this occured, which it surely did not, it was surely justified. Surely.
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance"
i don have anything against canadian people, i'm having a hard time believing this as well, but shrugging this off without even have a look at it is just ignorant...
i'm actually looking for evidence to refute this story... because i don't want to believe this is real. And this isn't just about Canadian authorities but also the ~American government reluctance to react to this issues even though they knew what has happened to this American citizen. IE. collusion between the 2 governments to cover this up, and please please please at least have a look at the videos.
They probably arrested him for illegal surveillance. Also, if he has these things recorded, why isn't he publishing them?
he was arrested out of the blue and was thrown out of the country without any of his possesion with him? how would u feel if u are arrested in a foreign country without a right to contact ur consulate at all regardless of what ur crime is? O.o
I am from Brazil. I will comment that I surely do not believe in Chill, he's lying and should be removed from the website. I haven't watched the video either.
I am from America. The best country in the world, with the strongest military. I do not see how our neighbors to the north could treat our people like this. Americaaaa!
I too have not watched the video. However, if it is on youtube it must be real.
On August 26 2009 01:35 Clow wrote: I am from Brazil. I will comment that I surely do not believe in Chill, he's lying and should be removed from the website. I haven't watched the video either.
Bold words...
I also find this rather hard to believe not because I don't believe that it could have happened or that Canada is capable of such a thing (of course they are, along with any government) but rather because the Canadian authorities would have done a better job at silencing him.
I don't believe it. I have always felt Fox news was more for drama and entertainment than actual facts, which if you look back of some of the other ridiculous things they're made a deal about I'm sure anyone would agree.
I am from Olympia, WA. For anyone who knows about Olympia and the Evergreen State College you should know that I am not equipped to offer a legitimate opinion on the state of either of our nations. I have not watched the video.
what this man fails to realize is that american police have no jurisdiction in canada, and what he was doing was illegal. he was not, as he claims in the video 'illegally arrested' (any citizen could have legally arrested him). he also claims he was covered in thousands of bugs and cockroaches, and fed food with human feces in it (yeah sure). he prononces american like a prick from the south. he was held for seven months... wait... four years.. waiting for it to change again... lol the RCMP are hardly an FBI equivalent. video stops. i certainly hope nobody listened to this.
Something doesn't fit. Why would you capture a guy, falsely imprison him, and then let him go so he can make things bad for your government? Why not just finish the job and cover that up? If there were a cocaine ring inside some police department, they could easily take some of the coke and say that they caught him with X amount in his vehicle and arrested him for it. They'd have the tools to cover it up, that's for sure.
On August 26 2009 01:41 Zalfor wrote: another guy lying to get on the front page.
except, he only got onto fox.
Regardless of how credible the minority of people who watch cable news think Fox is (and it is a minority that don't watch them, Fox does, indeed, dominate the cable news ratings throughout the day) they are the best place to get your face seen, as the most people watch them.
there are fucked up people everywhere, so it's possible. but i'm more than a little skeptical about this, since, other than a few blogs, the only place this story turns up is "freedom watch".
On August 26 2009 02:06 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Something doesn't fit. Why would you capture a guy, falsely imprison him, and then let him go so he can make things bad for your government? Why not just finish the job and cover that up? If there were a cocaine ring inside some police department, they could easily take some of the coke and say that they caught him with X amount in his vehicle and arrested him for it. They'd have the tools to cover it up, that's for sure.
On August 26 2009 01:41 Zalfor wrote: another guy lying to get on the front page.
except, he only got onto fox.
Regardless of how credible the minority of people who watch cable news think Fox is (and it is a minority that don't watch them, Fox does, indeed, dominate the cable news ratings throughout the day) they are the best place to get your face seen, as the most people watch them.
On August 26 2009 01:56 Cube wrote: what this man fails to realize is that american police have no jurisdiction in canada, and what he was doing was illegal. he was not, as he claims in the video 'illegally arrested' (any citizen could have legally arrested him). he also claims he was covered in thousands of bugs and cockroaches, and fed food with human feces in it (yeah sure). he prononces american like a prick from the south. he was held for seven months... wait... four years.. waiting for it to change again... lol the RCMP are hardly an FBI equivalent. video stops. i certainly hope nobody listened to this.
He's from Jersey, but close on the accent.
Also, I googled Toronto Broadcasting Company and nothing came up. It is, apparently, not even a real company. I've also googled, with several different search strings, for a cocaine smuggling ring within a Canadian police department. Again, nothing. If it were such common knowledge (and news like that is always big, regardless of how big or small a police force is) then surely google would find it? Maybe my search skills are sucking right now, but if they aren't, something else isn't adding up in this guys story. In fact, the only news I can find regarding Durham police and cocaine is how they busted a $3M drug smuggling scheme. This guy seems so full of shit.
Not to mention the guy is fat as hell. How did he manage to get that fat eating so little and being tortured all the time?
On August 26 2009 02:06 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Something doesn't fit. Why would you capture a guy, falsely imprison him, and then let him go so he can make things bad for your government? Why not just finish the job and cover that up? If there were a cocaine ring inside some police department, they could easily take some of the coke and say that they caught him with X amount in his vehicle and arrested him for it. They'd have the tools to cover it up, that's for sure.
On August 26 2009 01:41 Zalfor wrote: another guy lying to get on the front page.
except, he only got onto fox.
Regardless of how credible the minority of people who watch cable news think Fox is (and it is a minority that don't watch them, Fox does, indeed, dominate the cable news ratings throughout the day) they are the best place to get your face seen, as the most people watch them.
What are you saying?
Oh, the guy was saying too bad it was only fox. Well, he got the most air-time/recognition from fox. If it had been another place he wouldn't have been seen by as many people. It's like saying "too bad you got drafted by the Yankees instead of the Marlins." Well, no one watches the Marlins, so you'll get seen a lot more if you play for the Yankees. So like, if you want your story to be seen by the most people, Fox is the place to go, since more people watch that station than any other cable news station.
On August 26 2009 01:56 Cube wrote: what this man fails to realize is that american police have no jurisdiction in canada, and what he was doing was illegal. he was not, as he claims in the video 'illegally arrested' (any citizen could have legally arrested him). he also claims he was covered in thousands of bugs and cockroaches, and fed food with human feces in it (yeah sure). he prononces american like a prick from the south. he was held for seven months... wait... four years.. waiting for it to change again... lol the RCMP are hardly an FBI equivalent. video stops. i certainly hope nobody listened to this.
He's from Jersey, but close on the accent.
Also, I googled Toronto Broadcasting Company and nothing came up. It is, apparently, not even a real company. I've also googled, with several different search strings, for a cocaine smuggling ring within a Canadian police department. Again, nothing. If it were such common knowledge (and news like that is always big, regardless of how big or small a police force is) then surely google would find it? Maybe my search skills are sucking right now, but if they aren't, something else isn't adding up in this guys story. In fact, the only news I can find regarding Durham police and cocaine is how they busted a $3M drug smuggling scheme. This guy seems so full of shit.
Not to mention the guy is fat as hell. How did he manage to get that fat eating so little and being tortured all the time?
On August 26 2009 02:06 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Something doesn't fit. Why would you capture a guy, falsely imprison him, and then let him go so he can make things bad for your government? Why not just finish the job and cover that up? If there were a cocaine ring inside some police department, they could easily take some of the coke and say that they caught him with X amount in his vehicle and arrested him for it. They'd have the tools to cover it up, that's for sure.
On August 26 2009 01:41 Zalfor wrote: another guy lying to get on the front page.
except, he only got onto fox.
Regardless of how credible the minority of people who watch cable news think Fox is (and it is a minority that don't watch them, Fox does, indeed, dominate the cable news ratings throughout the day) they are the best place to get your face seen, as the most people watch them.
What are you saying?
Oh, the guy was saying too bad it was only fox. Well, he got the most air-time/recognition from fox. If it had been another place he wouldn't have been seen by as many people. It's like saying "too bad you got drafted by the Yankees instead of the Marlins." Well, no one watches the Marlins, so you'll get seen a lot more if you play for the Yankees. So like, if you want your story to be seen by the most people, Fox is the place to go, since more people watch that station than any other cable news station.
same here i was looking on google, yet nothing interesting of the sort came up, which was why i was asking people from canada if they have heard about this police drug ring scandal news.
u'd think something of this magnitude would receive more media attention, this story has only been circulating around private blogs and stuff and this is the first time it got onto a broadcasted show.
Hello, you are an idiot. Stop lying to people. Practically everything you said in that interview was a lie. How do I know? Unlike you, I've actually been to Durham. There are no prostitutes, there is maybe 20 police officers there at the absolute most. I would be surprised if the kind of people who live in Durham even know what the hell cocaine is. It would probably end up in an apple pie or a nice batch of chocolate chip cookies. With a population like 2700 people, you really think a cocaine ring would survive? As far as I know, what you are doing here (lying to 'masses' of people) is illegal. You should be arrested, and fed feces, and hosed down with scalding water while in a dog cage. You did not follow the Canadian government's laws, and in the end I think that the authorities probably just took your expensive camera equipment. So now you are trying to 'exact revenge'. You were probably using it to spy on little girls, you sick pervert.
Canada is a country of corruption bent of destroying the United States. Our facade of being friendly and open to all covers up our secret underground dealings.
It's too late America. You'll be kicking yourselves that you didn't wall us off.
On August 26 2009 01:56 Cube wrote: what this man fails to realize is that american police have no jurisdiction in canada, and what he was doing was illegal. he was not, as he claims in the video 'illegally arrested' (any citizen could have legally arrested him). he also claims he was covered in thousands of bugs and cockroaches, and fed food with human feces in it (yeah sure). he prononces american like a prick from the south. he was held for seven months... wait... four years.. waiting for it to change again... lol the RCMP are hardly an FBI equivalent. video stops. i certainly hope nobody listened to this.
He's from Jersey, but close on the accent.
WHAT
On August 26 2009 03:16 GunSlinger wrote: Unlike you, I've actually been to Durham. There are no prostitutes, there is maybe 20 police officers there at the absolute most. I would be surprised if the kind of people who live in Durham even know what the hell cocaine is. It would probably end up in an apple pie or a nice batch of chocolate chip cookies. With a population like 2700 people, you really think a cocaine ring would survive?
On August 26 2009 01:56 Cube wrote: what this man fails to realize is that american police have no jurisdiction in canada, and what he was doing was illegal. he was not, as he claims in the video 'illegally arrested' (any citizen could have legally arrested him). he also claims he was covered in thousands of bugs and cockroaches, and fed food with human feces in it (yeah sure). he prononces american like a prick from the south. he was held for seven months... wait... four years.. waiting for it to change again... lol the RCMP are hardly an FBI equivalent. video stops. i certainly hope nobody listened to this.
On August 26 2009 03:16 GunSlinger wrote: Unlike you, I've actually been to Durham. There are no prostitutes, there is maybe 20 police officers there at the absolute most. I would be surprised if the kind of people who live in Durham even know what the hell cocaine is. It would probably end up in an apple pie or a nice batch of chocolate chip cookies. With a population like 2700 people, you really think a cocaine ring would survive?
Sarcasm. They clearly stated that he was part of the Jersey police force, and he says he pronounces words like someone from the South. He pronounces words like a prick from Jersey. I hate your disgusting accent. The whole NE area, actually. I hate those accents.
On August 26 2009 01:56 Cube wrote: what this man fails to realize is that american police have no jurisdiction in canada, and what he was doing was illegal. he was not, as he claims in the video 'illegally arrested' (any citizen could have legally arrested him). he also claims he was covered in thousands of bugs and cockroaches, and fed food with human feces in it (yeah sure). he prononces american like a prick from the south. he was held for seven months... wait... four years.. waiting for it to change again... lol the RCMP are hardly an FBI equivalent. video stops. i certainly hope nobody listened to this.
On August 26 2009 03:16 GunSlinger wrote: Unlike you, I've actually been to Durham. There are no prostitutes, there is maybe 20 police officers there at the absolute most. I would be surprised if the kind of people who live in Durham even know what the hell cocaine is. It would probably end up in an apple pie or a nice batch of chocolate chip cookies. With a population like 2700 people, you really think a cocaine ring would survive?
On August 26 2009 01:56 Cube wrote: what this man fails to realize is that american police have no jurisdiction in canada, and what he was doing was illegal. he was not, as he claims in the video 'illegally arrested' (any citizen could have legally arrested him). he also claims he was covered in thousands of bugs and cockroaches, and fed food with human feces in it (yeah sure). he prononces american like a prick from the south. he was held for seven months... wait... four years.. waiting for it to change again... lol the RCMP are hardly an FBI equivalent. video stops. i certainly hope nobody listened to this.
He's from Jersey, but close on the accent.
WHAT
On August 26 2009 03:16 GunSlinger wrote: Unlike you, I've actually been to Durham. There are no prostitutes, there is maybe 20 police officers there at the absolute most. I would be surprised if the kind of people who live in Durham even know what the hell cocaine is. It would probably end up in an apple pie or a nice batch of chocolate chip cookies. With a population like 2700 people, you really think a cocaine ring would survive?
Sarcasm. They clearly stated that he was part of the Jersey police force, and he says he pronounces words like someone from the South. He pronounces words like a prick from Jersey. I hate your disgusting accent. The whole NE area, actually. I hate those accents.
I hope you have a mic for the madden franchise so you can hear me talk shit alllll game long
it is seriously so implausible that this actually happened
seriously the canadian media is so podunk and uninteresting that a cocaine ring being run by the cops (APPARENTLY FUCKING "COMMON KNOWLEDGE" ACCORDING TO THIS FAT SHIFTY-EYED RETARD) would be highlight news for like a year and politicians would be speaking out about how shocked they are
I feel qualified to say having not watched anything that this is retarded. Also, being from NY I certainly am qualified to say Jersey people suck at life, and their accents are the most horrific of any united states english speaking accent.
I specify united states because british accents are far worse.
also how do you just up and "discover" a coke ring on your first day in a new town
"howdy neighbor what brings you to durham" "i'm a former sheriff from new jersey i moved my family here" "you're a cop eh get outta here so i am except i sell hella cocaine outta my house here, all the cops do"
On August 26 2009 05:09 Gene wrote: I am Gene, and I am from NY.
I feel qualified to say having not watched anything that this is retarded. Also, being from NY I certainly am qualified to say Jersey people suck at life, and their accents are the most horrific of any united states english speaking accent.
I specify united states because british accents are far worse.
On August 26 2009 05:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: also how do you just up and "discover" a coke ring on your first day in a new town
"howdy neighbor what brings you to durham" "i'm a former sheriff from new jersey i moved my family here" "you're a cop eh get outta here so i am except i sell hella cocaine outta my house here, all the cops do"
haha I can already see the Steven Segal movie trailer
*turning in badge and gun* [narrator] He was a disgraced cop, looking for a second chance "Where ya gonna go, jimmy? ain't no squad gonna take ya now ya rat" "im goin... north" cut to him at border patrol "whats the purpose of your stay in canada sir?" "im just lookin for a fresh start" Little did he know, he was walking into the fight of his life "theres some new guy in town, some cop from america, and he's been snoopin aboot" "take care of it, we can't let the world know that the canadian police is actually the worlds largest and most sophisticated drug cartel..." "i'll put him... on ice..." *they laugh together as camera pulls back to reveal igloo* What they didn't count on was Jimmy Montegna's brand of street justice *punches junkie mountie off horse* "didnt your mother ever tell you, quit the horseplay?" *unexplained scenes of segal cage-fighting a bear in a cop uniform, him dangling the canadian prime minister out of a helecopter* This winter, get ready for... Canadian Snow *BASED ON A TRUE STORY*
On August 26 2009 05:09 Gene wrote: I am Gene, and I am from NY.
I feel qualified to say having not watched anything that this is retarded. Also, being from NY I certainly am qualified to say Jersey people suck at life, and their accents are the most horrific of any united states english speaking accent.
I specify united states because british accents are far worse.
Your name's not really Gene. What else are you lying about?!
On August 26 2009 05:09 Gene wrote: I am Gene, and I am from NY.
I feel qualified to say having not watched anything that this is retarded. Also, being from NY I certainly am qualified to say Jersey people suck at life, and their accents are the most horrific of any united states english speaking accent.
I specify united states because british accents are far worse.
Say goodbye to your connect in Cornell, fucker.
JERSEY PRIDE.
Also, Hawk hates you as well.
I, too, am awesome and now hate you as well. I am from East Brunswick (central jersey by rutgers) and we do not have guido accents or annoying south jersey / pennsylvania accents (long O as in pick up the ph-own i just called your hoe-me).
On August 26 2009 05:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: also how do you just up and "discover" a coke ring on your first day in a new town
"howdy neighbor what brings you to durham" "i'm a former sheriff from new jersey i moved my family here" "you're a cop eh get outta here so i am except i sell hella cocaine outta my house here, all the cops do"
haha I can already see the Steven Segal movie trailer
*turning in badge and gun* [narrator] He was a disgraced cop, looking for a second chance "Where ya gonna go, jimmy? ain't no squad gonna take ya now ya rat" "im goin... north" cut to him at border patrol "whats the purpose of your stay in canada sir?" "im just lookin for a fresh start" Little did he know, he was walking into the fight of his life "theres some new guy in town, some cop from america, and he's been snoopin aboot" "take care of it, we can't let the world know that the canadian police is actually the worlds largest and most sophisticated drug cartel..." "i'll put him... on ice..." *they laugh together as camera pulls back to reveal igloo* What they didn't count on was Jimmy Montegna's brand of street justice *punches junkie mountie off horse* "didnt your mother ever tell you, quit the horseplay?" *unexplained scenes of segal cage-fighting a bear in a cop uniform, him dangling the canadian prime minister out of a helecopter* This winter, get ready for... Canadian Snow *BASED ON A TRUE STORY*
On August 26 2009 07:26 Slaughter wrote: He got it all wrong...the Canadian police were selling a white powdery substance all right but it was snow for the local snowman building contest.
On August 26 2009 05:09 Gene wrote: I am Gene, and I am from NY.
I feel qualified to say having not watched anything that this is retarded. Also, being from NY I certainly am qualified to say Jersey people suck at life, and their accents are the most horrific of any united states english speaking accent.
I specify united states because british accents are far worse.
Say goodbye to your connect in Cornell, fucker.
JERSEY PRIDE.
Also, Hawk hates you as well.
I'm from NJ, we definitely speak the correct way You southerners and Texans sound like you have no education. You Boston people just sound like assholes. Midwestern accents do not bother me and they really don't sound that much different than the way I speak, except for words like "noooooooo"
We are number one on google for "Scott Lopper", google news has no results, and other than the youtube video / this thread, there is nothing. His website is www.ScottLopperstory.com
lol at fox news, they are like trolls but they are serious...
It upsets me that they are the most popular "news" program. "sticking out their neck to protect human freedom" lol just like Hitler's minister of propaganda.
Even if they told me the most simple fact I would check somewhere else to see if it's true.
I'm also from Canada I can verify this man's story 100%. I saw him in the local Canadian prison and I wondered why he was being tortured so I asked the Canadian RCMP force (they were on coffee break) what exactly was going on and they also imprisoned me. I was fed dog feces, human feces, horse feces, hell, even polar bear feces.
Dreadful experience, I invited our leader to come over to my house for a while and discuss it but he said he a Tim Horton's had it's donation jar stolen from and he had to attend to it.
We're all filthy, evil and corrupt commies up here.
Well by the looks of it, i guess we could all call this bullshit for now unless more solid evidence surfaces to support his claims...
still though, its kinda funny how most canadians react to this, endless sarcastic remarks and defensive posts... nufin against u guys, just stating an observation.
On August 26 2009 09:19 psion0011 wrote: I read this story while having timbits and a medium double double and I can say that this man is telling the completely truth.
So if he didn't crack under 4 years of torture, he never disclosed the location of his hundreds of hours of surveillance footage, right? So where's the video that could corroborate his story? Why does his own website only link vague newspaper articles when this supposed cocaine ring is now "common knowledge" and supposedly hundreds of stories have been written about it?
On August 26 2009 01:33 Railz wrote: Find another source besides Fox news. Sorry, personal choice.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=scott loper. The whole 1st page of results is basically this story. He has his own website devoted to this case. Also, this case does seem like it's from a while back.
On August 26 2009 01:09 Chill wrote: I am from Canada. I will comment that I surely do not believe that the facts in your summary are accurate. I have not watched the video.
Fox News tends to overhype and overreact to everything. They are basically a tabloid news channel.
On August 26 2009 05:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: also how do you just up and "discover" a coke ring on your first day in a new town
"howdy neighbor what brings you to durham" "i'm a former sheriff from new jersey i moved my family here" "you're a cop eh get outta here so i am except i sell hella cocaine outta my house here, all the cops do"
haha I can already see the Steven Segal movie trailer
*turning in badge and gun* [narrator] He was a disgraced cop, looking for a second chance "Where ya gonna go, jimmy? ain't no squad gonna take ya now ya rat" "im goin... north" cut to him at border patrol "whats the purpose of your stay in canada sir?" "im just lookin for a fresh start" Little did he know, he was walking into the fight of his life "theres some new guy in town, some cop from america, and he's been snoopin aboot" "take care of it, we can't let the world know that the canadian police is actually the worlds largest and most sophisticated drug cartel..." "i'll put him... on ice..." *they laugh together as camera pulls back to reveal igloo* What they didn't count on was Jimmy Montegna's brand of street justice *punches junkie mountie off horse* "didnt your mother ever tell you, quit the horseplay?" *unexplained scenes of segal cage-fighting a bear in a cop uniform, him dangling the canadian prime minister out of a helecopter* This winter, get ready for... Canadian Snow *BASED ON A TRUE STORY*
On August 26 2009 05:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: also how do you just up and "discover" a coke ring on your first day in a new town
"howdy neighbor what brings you to durham" "i'm a former sheriff from new jersey i moved my family here" "you're a cop eh get outta here so i am except i sell hella cocaine outta my house here, all the cops do"
haha I can already see the Steven Segal movie trailer
*turning in badge and gun* [narrator] He was a disgraced cop, looking for a second chance "Where ya gonna go, jimmy? ain't no squad gonna take ya now ya rat" "im goin... north" cut to him at border patrol "whats the purpose of your stay in canada sir?" "im just lookin for a fresh start" Little did he know, he was walking into the fight of his life "theres some new guy in town, some cop from america, and he's been snoopin aboot" "take care of it, we can't let the world know that the canadian police is actually the worlds largest and most sophisticated drug cartel..." "i'll put him... on ice..." *they laugh together as camera pulls back to reveal igloo* What they didn't count on was Jimmy Montegna's brand of street justice *punches junkie mountie off horse* "didnt your mother ever tell you, quit the horseplay?" *unexplained scenes of segal cage-fighting a bear in a cop uniform, him dangling the canadian prime minister out of a helecopter* This winter, get ready for... Canadian Snow *BASED ON A TRUE STORY*
On August 26 2009 05:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: also how do you just up and "discover" a coke ring on your first day in a new town
"howdy neighbor what brings you to durham" "i'm a former sheriff from new jersey i moved my family here" "you're a cop eh get outta here so i am except i sell hella cocaine outta my house here, all the cops do"
haha I can already see the Steven Segal movie trailer
*turning in badge and gun* [narrator] He was a disgraced cop, looking for a second chance "Where ya gonna go, jimmy? ain't no squad gonna take ya now ya rat" "im goin... north" cut to him at border patrol "whats the purpose of your stay in canada sir?" "im just lookin for a fresh start" Little did he know, he was walking into the fight of his life "theres some new guy in town, some cop from america, and he's been snoopin aboot" "take care of it, we can't let the world know that the canadian police is actually the worlds largest and most sophisticated drug cartel..." "i'll put him... on ice..." *they laugh together as camera pulls back to reveal igloo* What they didn't count on was Jimmy Montegna's brand of street justice *punches junkie mountie off horse* "didnt your mother ever tell you, quit the horseplay?" *unexplained scenes of segal cage-fighting a bear in a cop uniform, him dangling the canadian prime minister out of a helecopter* This winter, get ready for... Canadian Snow *BASED ON A TRUE STORY*
this need more love, well done
rofl word hahahah nice one brood
I normally don't like to hop on these trains, but that was good. I loled for real.
do americans hate canada so much that they'd fabricate a story like this (or at least this particular america)? at first i thought it was possible, but then i realized that it was fox news, the worst source for news in america. of course fox would do anything to taint canada's reputation.
but if this were true, wouldn't it be bigger news?
On August 26 2009 09:16 Shizuru~ wrote: Well by the looks of it, i guess we could all call this bullshit for now unless more solid evidence surfaces to support his claims...
still though, its kinda funny how most canadians react to this, endless sarcastic remarks and defensive posts... nufin against u guys, just stating an observation.
It's kind of funny how you reacted to this.
- believing an outrageous FOX News story - despite zero evidence in his favour and everything that's been posted, reluctantly saying you "guess" this is bullshit "for now" - selectively observing the Canadians as posting sarcastic (and... defensive?) remarks when in fact everyone in this topic is posting them
"nufin" against you, just stating some observations.
I am an American and I know that Canadians are the most useless people in the northern hemisphere. I wouldn't put this below those dirty Canadians. You Canadians realize you can't beat us 1v1 so you resort to these tactics. Lame.
On August 26 2009 09:16 Shizuru~ wrote: Well by the looks of it, i guess we could all call this bullshit for now unless more solid evidence surfaces to support his claims...
still though, its kinda funny how most canadians react to this, endless sarcastic remarks and defensive posts... nufin against u guys, just stating an observation.
You're the one that actually believed this story and made a thread about it without doing a little simple and easy research on your own.
On August 26 2009 10:10 29 fps wrote: do americans hate canada so much that they'd fabricate a story like this (or at least this particular america)? at first i thought it was possible, but then i realized that it was fox news, the worst source for news in america. of course fox would do anything to taint canada's reputation.
but if this were true, wouldn't it be bigger news?
It's not that they hate us, its just that they are extremely jealous of how much better we are then them at everything.
On August 26 2009 09:16 Shizuru~ wrote: Well by the looks of it, i guess we could all call this bullshit for now unless more solid evidence surfaces to support his claims...
still though, its kinda funny how most canadians react to this, endless sarcastic remarks and defensive posts... nufin against u guys, just stating an observation.
It's kind of funny how you reacted to this.
- believing an outrageous FOX News story - despite zero evidence in his favour and everything that's been posted, reluctantly saying you "guess" this is bullshit "for now" - selectively observing the Canadians as posting sarcastic (and... defensive?) remarks when in fact everyone in this topic is posting them
"nufin" against you, just stating some observations.
All Canadians are rapists.
WOW WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO DEFENSIVE IF IT ISN'T TRUE???
I'm from Toronto. Never have I heard of this, which is especially strange seeing as it was "common knowledge" according to him. Also I tried googling anything about a Durham Police cocaine scandal- nothing came up.
On August 26 2009 11:18 alex5050 wrote: I'm from Toronto. Never have I heard of this, which is especially strange seeing as it was "common knowledge" according to him. Also I tried googling anything about a Durham Police cocaine scandal- nothing came up.
On August 26 2009 01:09 Chill wrote: I am from Canada. I will comment that I surely do not believe that the facts in your summary are accurate. I have not watched the video.
Just because you live there doesnt mean that the place cant have a few bad seeds. I am in USA, even though i hate it, but Canada is no exception to any other country.
On August 26 2009 01:09 Chill wrote: I am from Canada. I will comment that I surely do not believe that the facts in your summary are accurate. I have not watched the video.
Just because you live there doesnt mean that the place cant have a few bad seeds. I am in USA, even though i hate it, but Canada is no exception to any other country.
lol
but seriously, why is fox news so skilled at getting people to quickly react before thinking properly...? fox news must by the biggest troll ever
A cop just stopped by my house and tried to sell me coke. I had to send him away because the girlscouts already unloaded 5 boxes (~12 kg) of coke on us earlier in the week.
Also, it's free coke day tomorrow at the local Church of Satan.
I'm from southern California. My father is from Calgary. Obviously this gives me a lot of authority on Canado-Americano relations. Now, as the anchor baby of a "snowback," people need to realize that the Canadians' only goal in our nation is retrieve their national treasure, Celine Dion. And maple syrup. Celine Dion moreso. And until that goal reaches fruition, they will be selling their cocaine to our WIVES AND CHILDREN. As a pseudo-American, I WILL NOT STAND IDLY BY AS THESE HOCKEY PLAYING MONGRELS DESTROY ALL THAT WE HOLD DEAR. Nothing is more American than Titanic, and I don't know what I would do with myself if my heart could NO LONGER GO ON. Do the right thing friends.
I am from Canada, and I'd like to say that Incontrol came to my house, power lifted it, and proceeded to eat all my food. Therefore his argument is flawed.
But really though, that story has to be incorrect at least on some level. I believe that America would do something about this unless there was reasonable doubt.
Wait a minute. He was falsely imprisoned on bogus charges, without the chance to defend himself in court or contact his embassy, and tortured for years?
If I had a chance to get in with an established cocaine conglomerate operating within a government law enforcement agency...hmmm....
and yea the guy really looks like he was starving...for cocaine. they probably just cut him out after he tried to muscle in and take over so now he ran to the authorities
On August 26 2009 10:10 29 fps wrote: do americans hate canada so much that they'd fabricate a story like this (or at least this particular america)? at first i thought it was possible, but then i realized that it was fox news, the worst source for news in america. of course fox would do anything to taint canada's reputation.
but if this were true, wouldn't it be bigger news?
It's not that they hate us, its just that they are extremely jealous of how much better we are then them at everything.
would you care to elaborate at what you are better than the US? sports? hell no! economic? gnp 14 times lower sc? still no.. sorry
edit: btw, I live in brazil but I am american.. and hell even here is much better then freakin canada
On August 26 2009 10:10 29 fps wrote: do americans hate canada so much that they'd fabricate a story like this (or at least this particular america)? at first i thought it was possible, but then i realized that it was fox news, the worst source for news in america. of course fox would do anything to taint canada's reputation.
but if this were true, wouldn't it be bigger news?
It's not that they hate us, its just that they are extremely jealous of how much better we are then them at everything.
would you care to elaborate at what you are better than the US? sports? hell no! economic? gnp 14 times lower sc? still no.. sorry
edit: btw, I live in brazil but I am american.. and hell even here is much better then freakin canada
There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.
I usually try not to comment on a situation unless I have a qualified opinion to make. Such an opinion would be one derived from some sort of experience, background, or research.
I have only looked at two pages of comments here, but I have found no such enlightening remarks. Instead, I have found opinions based on misconceptions, incorrect statements and either extreme lack of knowledge or no knowledge at all of the subject at hand. Please excuse me for saying so, as I really don't wish to insult, but such comments are completely valueless to intellegent conversation.
I have been this route before, so I am not going to keep coming back and bantering back and forth with those who want to find fault no matter how ridiculous the argument. However, for those who are truly interested in just what happened here, and why it matters to each and every American AND Canadian citizen, I will try to answer by providing the following:
My name is Buddy Logan, and I am a volunteer media relations person for Scott Loper. This story is detailed and documented at http://www.scottloperstory.com .
You can believe this story or not believe it, but please do not make ignorant comments. It is just as easy to believe in the possibility of circumstances as it is to discount them, when you have no solid basis for your opinion. The difference is that the first choice may prove productive in uniting a father and son, and forcing governments to be responsible for their citizens. The second choice goes nowhere.
Take the high road! Instead of accusing Scott Loper of being a liar (for what reason I don't know), ask why the Canadian government is refusing to provide any legitimate documentation in this case. Ask why the U.S. State department is refusing to respond to the Canadian admission of the violation of Scott Loper's Vienna Convention rights. There are many unanswered questions. The Canadian government is holdng them. Nothing's going to happen here without political pressure.
It is important to understand, first of all, that we do not have a pile of evidence as to what went on in Canada. Most assuredly, the Canadians DO. Just as assuredly, if they had justifyable evidence of the transgressions against Scott (referring to his arrest on extorted charges and subsequent conviction on counts unrelated to the original charge), it would be in their best interest to produce that evidence. They have not done so.
It is also important to understand that the charge is not that the "government of Canada tortured him". The torture was perpetrated by a small group of crooked Durham Regional Police, with the help of compliant jail guards, in nearby Whitby Jail, a small prison used to house those awaiting trial. Durham Regional Police interacted with Whitby Jail (since torn down) on a regular basis, to the point where there were shared payroll expenses between the two establishments.
The government of Canada comes into the picture when an investigation of the Durham Regional Police is put into action and Scott Loper is released and directly taken out of the country, left shackled and handcuffed at a U.S. border patrol station and their attempts to cover up the whole ordeal.
I'm going to try to be as concise as possible. If you want more detail (and you should), please go to the Web site. Once again, it is http://www.scottloperstory.com.
As a former Sheriff's officer trained in internal affairs, it did not take Scott long to notice illegal activity on the part of his neighbors. He gathered evidence. True - some of that evidence may not have been admissable in court, but it was plenty for the RCMP to establish an investigation or sting operation.
When the criminal Durham Regional Police officers discovered his surveillence, they, of course, were willing to go to any extremes to destroy the evidence. They caught up with Scott's wife when the two of them were not together, cornered and threatened her into filing a restraining order. (No, we don't have that either. Paperwork was never given to Scott and, even if it had been, he would not have been allowed to leave the country with it, as he was stripped of all documentation.) He was arrested within ten minutes of placing a call to Carolyn. He did not see a court room for 7 months (this is CANADA, not the US!).
By that time, he had undergone months of deprivation and torture, and was barely coherent. Somehow the charges escalated to "criminal harrassment". We do not know how that happemed. As I said, Scott was barely aware of what was going on at that point. He spent two years there at the Whitby Jail, then was re-convicted for writing to one of Carolyn's relatives, (trying to get her to go to the RCMP), and spend almost another two years in another prison. He was released when an investigation was begun into the Durham Regional Police force. (Documented on the Web site). As usually happens woth these type of "investigations" in Canada, the whole situation was whitewashed, and Scott was thrown out of the county - no credit cards - no bank accounts - no car - no identification - no wife - no child.
To answer some of the statements made:
It is true that Fox News has a reputation of leaning to the right, as MSN-ABC has of leaning to the left. That does not mean their news is non-credible. There is not a media source out there that will provide you a whole truth - especially in this day and age when the majority of the news media is owned and controlled by 9 corporate giants. If you really want to know what is going on in the world, do some research!!
So, while we're on that subject, those who say they have found no evidence of Canadian police corruption on the Web really, really need to brush up on your searching skills. Really! It doesn't take much - especially concerning the Toronto area. (Durham Region, where this took place, is just off the northern tip of Toronto. It is policy in Canada to cover up corruption for fear that the people will lose faith in law enforcement and quit putting pictures of mounties on their restaurant place mats. One of the ways they do this is to transfer criminal cops out of the area. Thus, the problem spreads and festers.)
Here's a couple of starters for you: Google: "totonto police corruption" or "Canada police corruption" . Pretty elemental research! You might also look for "Canada's Approach to Combatting Police Corruption", a mindblowing strudy put together by Crown prosecutors and other legal experts, which clearly shows that the national policy is to white-wash, cover up, deny and, where prosecution cannot be avoided, blame one scapegoat for lesser crimes and have that person take the fall.
One person stated "I've also googled, with several different search strings, for a cocaine smuggling ring..." Please - note - this has nothing to do with smuggling. Go the the Web site. Read the story!
After you have researched a bit, and read stories of the government confiscation of news media coverage of events where the police might be at fault, as well as the stories of police shaking down drug dealers and reselling their drugs, using intimidation and extortion to cover their butts, and perpetrating everything from felonious assult to murder, and the Canadian authorities response to these events, you may begin to get a picture of what is happening here - paranoia of pubic sentiment leading to the festering growth of organized crime among Canada's police departments!
I should also point out (due to comments) that we are talking about the Durham REGIONAL Police Force - not the town of Durham, Ontario. The events occurred in the town of Ajax.
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The facts in the case, at this juncture, are fairly simple - mainly because the Canadian Government is hanging on to most of them and they are not letting go. There are many points, but I am talking here about VERIFYABLE FACTS, which are:
1.Scott Loper was arrested for "Breech of Court Order". These charges somehow escalated to "Felony Criminal Harrassment". 2.Scott Loper's ex-wife and 11-year-old son are "missing". The Canadian government knows where they are. They are not telling. 3.Four U.S. Congressional representatives have all tried to push the U.S. State Department to put pressure on the Canadians to do what is decent and right. The State Department has proven to have a stronger desire to please the Canadian government than one of its own citizens, forcing one Congressman (Frank Wolf) to make the comment that the State Department is not interested in defending the rights of ANY U.S. citizen who's Vienna Convention rights have been violated by a foreign country. 4.After first denying that Scott Loper ever even lived in Canada, that government, when proven wrong, then produced an unsigned document from an admisability hearing, dated three years after he was arrested, as a waiver of Scott's Vienna Convention rights. This document has no meaning whatsoever on that factor and, indeed, simply proves, by their holding it up as evidence, that the Canadians have NO such waiver. Furthermore, if it were a valid document, it would only prove, beyond a doubt, that the Canadians violated Scott Loper's Vienna Convention rights to contact his consulate "without delay."
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There is no justifyable reason for what happened to Scott Loper, and there is no reason he and his son should be deprived of a relationship with one another. We are not on a crusade to change the Canadian system although, if we can contribute to that in some why by exposing this case, this can only be a positive side effect.
This is an issue on the U.S. side where the government refuses to protect its citizens. It is an issue on the Canadian side for a number of reasons - most importantly, where it regards police corruption and a policy of the government. from one level to another, of either sticking their heads in the sand or, when that doesn't work, working hard to whitewash crime and corruption.
It has become sadly apparent that the only way we are going to get to the facts of the Scott Loper Story is through public outcry. That is our purpose, and that is what we are trying to do.
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There are other documents and information in this case that we can not, at this time, put on public display, due to the necessity of protecting the sources of this information. However, if you are a VERIFYABLE member of the media, and wish to contact me concerning this information, please do not hesitate to do so. My contact information is available on the ScottLoperStory.com Web site, under "Media Contact"
If any one else has any questions or, more importantly, information they would like to address directly to me, please do so.
If I were to post this story, the majority of the comments would be "yeah - crooked cop got what he deserved."
How do you know? How do you know he isn't the good guy? Having been around the block once or twice, the first thing I see is a frame-up. I could be wrong - I don't know. But that's the way it looks to me. Happens in L.A. every day. You don't have to suspect anyone or even have any idea what is going on. If crooked cops think you have the potential to be a whistleblower, they'll get you out of there fast.
My point? Unless you have some perception of the world these people live in, your comments are just ridiculous jabber.
just the way this guy is talking and makes me not believe what he is saying. He keeps saying the craziest shit and then reaffirming that it's common knowledge and it was a few years ago. PS- how are you such a fat ass if you were locked in solitary and imprisoned for 4 years.
On August 30 2009 07:37 Buddy Logan wrote: There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.
I usually try not to comment on a situation unless I have a qualified opinion to make. Such an opinion would be one derived from some sort of experience, background, or research.
I have only looked at two pages of comments here, but I have found no such enlightening remarks. Instead, I have found opinions based on misconceptions, incorrect statements and either extreme lack of knowledge or no knowledge at all of the subject at hand. Please excuse me for saying so, as I really don't wish to insult, but such comments are completely valueless to intellegent conversation.
I have been this route before, so I am not going to keep coming back and bantering back and forth with those who want to find fault no matter how ridiculous the argument. However, for those who are truly interested in just what happened here, and why it matters to each and every American AND Canadian citizen, I will try to answer by providing the following:
My name is Buddy Logan, and I am a volunteer media relations person for Scott Loper. This story is detailed and documented at http://www.scottloperstory.com .
You can believe this story or not believe it, but please do not make ignorant comments. It is just as easy to believe in the possibility of circumstances as it is to discount them, when you have no solid basis for your opinion. The difference is that the first choice may prove productive in uniting a father and son, and forcing governments to be responsible for their citizens. The second choice goes nowhere.
Take the high road! Instead of accusing Scott Loper of being a liar (for what reason I don't know), ask why the Canadian government is refusing to provide any legitimate documentation in this case. Ask why the U.S. State department is refusing to respond to the Canadian admission of the violation of Scott Loper's Vienna Convention rights. There are many unanswered questions. The Canadian government is holdng them. Nothing's going to happen here without political pressure.
It is important to understand, first of all, that we do not have a pile of evidence as to what went on in Canada. Most assuredly, the Canadians DO. Just as assuredly, if they had justifyable evidence of the transgressions against Scott (referring to his arrest on extorted charges and subsequent conviction on counts unrelated to the original charge), it would be in their best interest to produce that evidence. They have not done so.
It is also important to understand that the charge is not that the "government of Canada tortured him". The torture was perpetrated by a small group of crooked Durham Regional Police, with the help of compliant jail guards, in nearby Whitby Jail, a small prison used to house those awaiting trial. Durham Regional Police interacted with Whitby Jail (since torn down) on a regular basis, to the point where there were shared payroll expenses between the two establishments.
The government of Canada comes into the picture when an investigation of the Durham Regional Police is put into action and Scott Loper is released and directly taken out of the country, left shackled and handcuffed at a U.S. border patrol station and their attempts to cover up the whole ordeal.
I'm going to try to be as concise as possible. If you want more detail (and you should), please go to the Web site. Once again, it is http://www.scottloperstory.com .
As a former Sheriff's officer trained in internal affairs, it did not take Scott long to notice illegal activity on the part of his neighbors. He gathered evidence. True - some of that evidence may not have been admissable in court, but it was plenty for the RCMP to establish an investigation or sting operation.
When the criminal Durham Regional Police officers discovered his surveillence, they, of course, were willing to go to any extremes to destroy the evidence. They caught up with Scott's wife when the two of them were not together, cornered and threatened her into filing a restraining order. (No, we don't have that either. Paperwork was never given to Scott and, even if it had been, he would not have been allowed to leave the country with it, as he was stripped of all documentation.) He was arrested within ten minutes of placing a call to Carolyn. He did not see a court room for 7 months (this is CANADA, not the US!).
By that time, he had undergone months of deprivation and torture, and was barely coherent. Somehow the charges escalated to "criminal harrassment". We do not know how that happemed. As I said, Scott was barely aware of what was going on at that point. He spent two years there at the Whitby Jail, then was re-convicted for writing to one of Carolyn's relatives, (trying to get her to go to the RCMP), and spend almost another two years in another prison. He was released when an investigation was begun into the Durham Regional Police force. (Documented on the Web site). As usually happens woth these type of "investigations" in Canada, the whole situation was whitewashed, and Scott was thrown out of the county - no credit cards - no bank accounts - no car - no identification - no wife - no child.
To answer some of the statements made:
It is true that Fox News has a reputation of leaning to the right, as MSN-ABC has of leaning to the left. That does not mean their news is non-credible. There is not a media source out there that will provide you a whole truth - especially in this day and age when the majority of the news media is owned and controlled by 9 corporate giants. If you really want to know what is going on in the world, do some research!!
So, while we're on that subject, those who say they have found no evidence of Canadian police corruption on the Web really, really need to brush up on your searching skills. Really! It doesn't take much - especially concerning the Toronto area. (Durham Region, where this took place, is just off the northern tip of Toronto. It is policy in Canada to cover up corruption for fear that the people will lose faith in law enforcement and quit putting pictures of mounties on their restaurant place mats. One of the ways they do this is to transfer criminal cops out of the area. Thus, the problem spreads and festers.)
Here's a couple of starters for you: Google: "totonto police corruption" or "Canada police corruption" . Pretty elemental research! You might also look for "Canada's Approach to Combatting Police Corruption", a mindblowing strudy put together by Crown prosecutors and other legal experts, which clearly shows that the national policy is to white-wash, cover up, deny and, where prosecution cannot be avoided, blame one scapegoat for lesser crimes and have that person take the fall.
One person stated "I've also googled, with several different search strings, for a cocaine smuggling ring..." Please - note - this has nothing to do with smuggling. Go the the Web site. Read the story!
After you have researched a bit, and read stories of the government confiscation of news media coverage of events where the police might be at fault, as well as the stories of police shaking down drug dealers and reselling their drugs, using intimidation and extortion to cover their butts, and perpetrating everything from felonious assult to murder, and the Canadian authorities response to these events, you may begin to get a picture of what is happening here - paranoia of pubic sentiment leading to the festering growth of organized crime among Canada's police departments!
I should also point out (due to comments) that we are talking about the Durham REGIONAL Police Force - not the town of Durham, Ontario. The events occurred in the town of Ajax.
---------------- T H E F A C T S ----------------
The facts in the case, at this juncture, are fairly simple - mainly because the Canadian Government is hanging on to most of them and they are not letting go. There are many points, but I am talking here about VERIFYABLE FACTS, which are:
1.Scott Loper was arrested for "Breech of Court Order". These charges somehow escalated to "Felony Criminal Harrassment". 2.Scott Loper's ex-wife and 11-year-old son are "missing". The Canadian government knows where they are. They are not telling. 3.Four U.S. Congressional representatives have all tried to push the U.S. State Department to put pressure on the Canadians to do what is decent and right. The State Department has proven to have a stronger desire to please the Canadian government than one of its own citizens, forcing one Congressman (Frank Wolf) to make the comment that the State Department is not interested in defending the rights of ANY U.S. citizen who's Vienna Convention rights have been violated by a foreign country. 4.After first denying that Scott Loper ever even lived in Canada, that government, when proven wrong, then produced an unsigned document from an admisability hearing, dated three years after he was arrested, as a waiver of Scott's Vienna Convention rights. This document has no meaning whatsoever on that factor and, indeed, simply proves, by their holding it up as evidence, that the Canadians have NO such waiver. Furthermore, if it were a valid document, it would only prove, beyond a doubt, that the Canadians violated Scott Loper's Vienna Convention rights to contact his consulate "without delay."
---------------- O U R G O A L----------------
There is no justifyable reason for what happened to Scott Loper, and there is no reason he and his son should be deprived of a relationship with one another. We are not on a crusade to change the Canadian system although, if we can contribute to that in some why by exposing this case, this can only be a positive side effect.
This is an issue on the U.S. side where the government refuses to protect its citizens. It is an issue on the Canadian side for a number of reasons - most importantly, where it regards police corruption and a policy of the government. from one level to another, of either sticking their heads in the sand or, when that doesn't work, working hard to whitewash crime and corruption.
It has become sadly apparent that the only way we are going to get to the facts of the Scott Loper Story is through public outcry. That is our purpose, and that is what we are trying to do.
------------- M E D I A I N F O R M A T I O N --------------
There are other documents and information in this case that we can not, at this time, put on public display, due to the necessity of protecting the sources of this information. However, if you are a VERIFYABLE member of the media, and wish to contact me concerning this information, please do not hesitate to do so. My contact information is available on the ScottLoperStory.com Web site, under "Media Contact"
If any one else has any questions or, more importantly, information they would like to address directly to me, please do so.
Ok, I've read most of the comments now and the rather amusing post 2 steps above my last one. Pretty funny that these people sit around and look for any kind of attention in any forum to try and spread their lies :D.
To the charming person who made that post. Please just give up. Whether or not you truly believe this it didn't happen. There are just to many reasons for it. We have allready caught this guy (or Fox News possibly) lying openly. Once you do that your credibility is down to ZERO.
First, where is the proof that he actually went to canada, was arrested, then tortured and kept in prison? As far as I can see, there is no record of torture. I believe in YOUR WORDS as in he was arrested and got put in prison. Even in your web-site (Yes, I am that bored), there is no photocopy of physical documentation or statement that can make me believe he was arrested and got put in prison wrongly. The only document was about an unsigned document where he waived his rights, sorry, but that ain't good enough for any sort of prove.
Second, the proof that there was some sort of activity by the police which he was investigating. It was mentioned that he was about to expose the story, so where is the material.
If all of these are being hiden from the public, especially done by the government, then I think there is a reason. The reason being Scott Loper is less important that the entire nation, its politics. It sucks and is not right, but it happens all the time and nothing a normal person can do about it. If this is the case, I am very sorry for your situation and I will never want this to happen on me.
I am not a member of the media, so I guess you are not too happy to provide me copies of documents (which I doubt has been obtained through the proper legal pathway).
edit: Also, don't you think there is a possibility that your child is with your wife, they know all of this and have seen it on the news. The fact is, they don't believe you, or you have betrayed them earlier and is not coming forward to meet you now? They may well be safe and alive but they are embarrassed to be recognised as your wife and child. Just saying it is a possibility.
I don't know how anyone could hate Canada, they don't do anything to piss anyone off and generally are nice. Plus they gave the world the best sport in the world: Hockey. Plus going into Canada when you live in Michigan is easy and a nice lil trip :D
On August 30 2009 08:39 Slaughter wrote: I don't know how anyone could hate Canada, they don't do anything to piss anyone off and generally are nice. Plus they gave the world the best sport in the world: Hockey. Plus going into Canada when you live in Michigan is easy and a nice lil trip :D
you're the equivalent of the humans from the movie Blade that suck up to the vampires and do shit for them just to not get killed.
I am a citizen of Canada and I surely object to these fallacious claims; they are pure blasphemy. First of all, our 'local authorities' consist of three mounties that ride up and down our one Road (we call it the only road). I spoke to Jeff (one of the three mounties) and he told me he knew no such thing, but that he would ask Tom (the second) on his way West and let me know when he got back (we only use Patrol in Canada, not Attack-Move, since it makes us specialer). It will still be a few weeks before Tom makes it to British Columbia and back, and the mounties are sworn not to use any electricity (they are like the Canadian Amish).
It seems to me everyone in Canada would know about Bob and his secret tapes, as we are quite a voyeur country. Anyway, I will let you know when Tom gets back to me, but I assure you he will have nothing to report.
Buddy Logan, stop trying to make your client come off as a steven truscott, or david milgarde, or a person of that callbur.
He is not, and with the insanely easy access it would be to get court transcripts, as well as any other identification (Hi, canadian reporters will report on anything like this if it has merit). Yet nothing happening over here. Let alone the reports of what you've described would be on record somewhere, once again with easy access. Court transcripts can be picked up by pretty much anyone, so finding one person in canada who he knew to go get them and bring them to you would be insanely easy.
In short, this is all BS, a close look at our legal system, and how easy it is to get any information of legal happenings makes his story retarded. If after this much time he has yet to get his court transcripts (or put them online to be viewed) he has nothing but an axe to grind.
Edit: as a note buddy logan trolls internet forums, repeating the same ol jargin and linking people to the website and says "i never said we didnt have that information" but never provides it.
I've watched the video and read the site and Buddy's posts I don't believe the story at all. It just seems like some guy making up a false story and trying to milk some money out of it.
WOW watched the video and I have to say it seems wildly absurd that the canadian government are covering up there own corrupt cops, but stranger things have happened. The Official site also has dates on it from last year with news updates from that long ago. so....... Why wasn't this picked up by the news as soon as he was released from canada and WTF his family are STILL missing? ...........I don't know, I fear for the ppl of both countries though.
By paying a lawyer and wasting all this time and money what benefit is it of his to lie or make up things? I can't say its true, but at the same time seriously how can you completely discount it all? Yeah I'm gonna make up a bunch of bullshit and make up a ridiculous story so that people will know my name and I'll get attention even if its all negative attention and everyone hates me for it..................that makes a ton of sense as much sense as the lot of you are making.
On August 30 2009 12:40 Alizee- wrote: By paying a lawyer and wasting all this time and money what benefit is it of his to lie or make up things? I can't say its true, but at the same time seriously how can you completely discount it all? Yeah I'm gonna make up a bunch of bullshit and make up a ridiculous story so that people will know my name and I'll get attention even if its all negative attention and everyone hates me for it..................that makes a ton of sense as much sense as the lot of you are making.
If you read the site, it says that his 'lawyer' is working for free, but they are graciously accepting donations...
Seriously though, I haven't heard about this AT ALL. And if something like that happened in Canada it would be all over the news. Sucks if it's true LOL
hmm.. Canadians are fully capable of doing this.. Im not to sure if you noticed but the city of vancouver and surrounding cities have turned in to one big " turf war" over 30 killings in a matter of a few months. all targeted. im talking about dealers wifes in a car during rush hour traffic with her kid in the car kind of style.. its getting pretty bad... not so much now but in the beginning of the year.. it seems like it has calmed down now
On August 30 2009 07:37 Buddy Logan wrote: There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.
I usually try not to comment on a situation unless I have a qualified opinion to make. Such an opinion would be one derived from some sort of experience, background, or research.
I have only looked at two pages of comments here, but I have found no such enlightening remarks. Instead, I have found opinions based on misconceptions, incorrect statements and either extreme lack of knowledge or no knowledge at all of the subject at hand. Please excuse me for saying so, as I really don't wish to insult, but such comments are completely valueless to intellegent conversation.
I have been this route before, so I am not going to keep coming back and bantering back and forth with those who want to find fault no matter how ridiculous the argument. However, for those who are truly interested in just what happened here, and why it matters to each and every American AND Canadian citizen, I will try to answer by providing the following:
My name is Buddy Logan, and I am a volunteer media relations person for Scott Loper. This story is detailed and documented at http://www.scottloperstory.com .
You can believe this story or not believe it, but please do not make ignorant comments. It is just as easy to believe in the possibility of circumstances as it is to discount them, when you have no solid basis for your opinion. The difference is that the first choice may prove productive in uniting a father and son, and forcing governments to be responsible for their citizens. The second choice goes nowhere.
Take the high road! Instead of accusing Scott Loper of being a liar (for what reason I don't know), ask why the Canadian government is refusing to provide any legitimate documentation in this case. Ask why the U.S. State department is refusing to respond to the Canadian admission of the violation of Scott Loper's Vienna Convention rights. There are many unanswered questions. The Canadian government is holdng them. Nothing's going to happen here without political pressure.
It is important to understand, first of all, that we do not have a pile of evidence as to what went on in Canada. Most assuredly, the Canadians DO. Just as assuredly, if they had justifyable evidence of the transgressions against Scott (referring to his arrest on extorted charges and subsequent conviction on counts unrelated to the original charge), it would be in their best interest to produce that evidence. They have not done so.
It is also important to understand that the charge is not that the "government of Canada tortured him". The torture was perpetrated by a small group of crooked Durham Regional Police, with the help of compliant jail guards, in nearby Whitby Jail, a small prison used to house those awaiting trial. Durham Regional Police interacted with Whitby Jail (since torn down) on a regular basis, to the point where there were shared payroll expenses between the two establishments.
The government of Canada comes into the picture when an investigation of the Durham Regional Police is put into action and Scott Loper is released and directly taken out of the country, left shackled and handcuffed at a U.S. border patrol station and their attempts to cover up the whole ordeal.
I'm going to try to be as concise as possible. If you want more detail (and you should), please go to the Web site. Once again, it is http://www.scottloperstory.com.
As a former Sheriff's officer trained in internal affairs, it did not take Scott long to notice illegal activity on the part of his neighbors. He gathered evidence. True - some of that evidence may not have been admissable in court, but it was plenty for the RCMP to establish an investigation or sting operation.
When the criminal Durham Regional Police officers discovered his surveillence, they, of course, were willing to go to any extremes to destroy the evidence. They caught up with Scott's wife when the two of them were not together, cornered and threatened her into filing a restraining order. (No, we don't have that either. Paperwork was never given to Scott and, even if it had been, he would not have been allowed to leave the country with it, as he was stripped of all documentation.) He was arrested within ten minutes of placing a call to Carolyn. He did not see a court room for 7 months (this is CANADA, not the US!).
By that time, he had undergone months of deprivation and torture, and was barely coherent. Somehow the charges escalated to "criminal harrassment". We do not know how that happemed. As I said, Scott was barely aware of what was going on at that point. He spent two years there at the Whitby Jail, then was re-convicted for writing to one of Carolyn's relatives, (trying to get her to go to the RCMP), and spend almost another two years in another prison. He was released when an investigation was begun into the Durham Regional Police force. (Documented on the Web site). As usually happens woth these type of "investigations" in Canada, the whole situation was whitewashed, and Scott was thrown out of the county - no credit cards - no bank accounts - no car - no identification - no wife - no child.
To answer some of the statements made:
It is true that Fox News has a reputation of leaning to the right, as MSN-ABC has of leaning to the left. That does not mean their news is non-credible. There is not a media source out there that will provide you a whole truth - especially in this day and age when the majority of the news media is owned and controlled by 9 corporate giants. If you really want to know what is going on in the world, do some research!!
So, while we're on that subject, those who say they have found no evidence of Canadian police corruption on the Web really, really need to brush up on your searching skills. Really! It doesn't take much - especially concerning the Toronto area. (Durham Region, where this took place, is just off the northern tip of Toronto. It is policy in Canada to cover up corruption for fear that the people will lose faith in law enforcement and quit putting pictures of mounties on their restaurant place mats. One of the ways they do this is to transfer criminal cops out of the area. Thus, the problem spreads and festers.)
Here's a couple of starters for you: Google: "totonto police corruption" or "Canada police corruption" . Pretty elemental research! You might also look for "Canada's Approach to Combatting Police Corruption", a mindblowing strudy put together by Crown prosecutors and other legal experts, which clearly shows that the national policy is to white-wash, cover up, deny and, where prosecution cannot be avoided, blame one scapegoat for lesser crimes and have that person take the fall.
One person stated "I've also googled, with several different search strings, for a cocaine smuggling ring..." Please - note - this has nothing to do with smuggling. Go the the Web site. Read the story!
After you have researched a bit, and read stories of the government confiscation of news media coverage of events where the police might be at fault, as well as the stories of police shaking down drug dealers and reselling their drugs, using intimidation and extortion to cover their butts, and perpetrating everything from felonious assult to murder, and the Canadian authorities response to these events, you may begin to get a picture of what is happening here - paranoia of pubic sentiment leading to the festering growth of organized crime among Canada's police departments!
I should also point out (due to comments) that we are talking about the Durham REGIONAL Police Force - not the town of Durham, Ontario. The events occurred in the town of Ajax.
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The facts in the case, at this juncture, are fairly simple - mainly because the Canadian Government is hanging on to most of them and they are not letting go. There are many points, but I am talking here about VERIFYABLE FACTS, which are:
1.Scott Loper was arrested for "Breech of Court Order". These charges somehow escalated to "Felony Criminal Harrassment". 2.Scott Loper's ex-wife and 11-year-old son are "missing". The Canadian government knows where they are. They are not telling. 3.Four U.S. Congressional representatives have all tried to push the U.S. State Department to put pressure on the Canadians to do what is decent and right. The State Department has proven to have a stronger desire to please the Canadian government than one of its own citizens, forcing one Congressman (Frank Wolf) to make the comment that the State Department is not interested in defending the rights of ANY U.S. citizen who's Vienna Convention rights have been violated by a foreign country. 4.After first denying that Scott Loper ever even lived in Canada, that government, when proven wrong, then produced an unsigned document from an admisability hearing, dated three years after he was arrested, as a waiver of Scott's Vienna Convention rights. This document has no meaning whatsoever on that factor and, indeed, simply proves, by their holding it up as evidence, that the Canadians have NO such waiver. Furthermore, if it were a valid document, it would only prove, beyond a doubt, that the Canadians violated Scott Loper's Vienna Convention rights to contact his consulate "without delay."
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There is no justifyable reason for what happened to Scott Loper, and there is no reason he and his son should be deprived of a relationship with one another. We are not on a crusade to change the Canadian system although, if we can contribute to that in some why by exposing this case, this can only be a positive side effect.
This is an issue on the U.S. side where the government refuses to protect its citizens. It is an issue on the Canadian side for a number of reasons - most importantly, where it regards police corruption and a policy of the government. from one level to another, of either sticking their heads in the sand or, when that doesn't work, working hard to whitewash crime and corruption.
It has become sadly apparent that the only way we are going to get to the facts of the Scott Loper Story is through public outcry. That is our purpose, and that is what we are trying to do.
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There are other documents and information in this case that we can not, at this time, put on public display, due to the necessity of protecting the sources of this information. However, if you are a VERIFYABLE member of the media, and wish to contact me concerning this information, please do not hesitate to do so. My contact information is available on the ScottLoperStory.com Web site, under "Media Contact"
If any one else has any questions or, more importantly, information they would like to address directly to me, please do so.
If I were to post this story, the majority of the comments would be "yeah - crooked cop got what he deserved."
How do you know? How do you know he isn't the good guy? Having been around the block once or twice, the first thing I see is a frame-up. I could be wrong - I don't know. But that's the way it looks to me. Happens in L.A. every day. You don't have to suspect anyone or even have any idea what is going on. If crooked cops think you have the potential to be a whistleblower, they'll get you out of there fast.
My point? Unless you have some perception of the world these people live in, your comments are just ridiculous jabber.
I often burn white hot and drift lazily across the stratosphere, emitting piercing screams, much like the real sun!
I would have read the whole Buddy Logan post and been thoroughly convinced by it, but I died laughing halfway through. By the way, I am from Singapore which was Fakesteve the Canadian's last port of call.
Governments have done far more insidious actions than this if it is indeed true. People saying Canada is infallible and can never do no wrong is quite funny. Canada is no different than any other Government.
None of us actually know whether this happened or not, but to dismiss the entirety because it appeared on Fox? If Fox was actually Faux News then no one would watch, just like hardly anyone buys the Inquirer because we all know its bullshit.
I'll hold my sway until further information comes out. I however, never trust Government and can very easily see Canadian Government doing this, or any Government for that matter. Power is a corruptor as they say.
If you read the website, you would realize that it wasn't the government, it was the corrupt cocaine selling Durham Police Department. Jeez Aegreanimininm, read before typing.
edit- Dont you work for the American government as well? Why would you choose the military if you "don't trust government"?
On August 30 2009 19:22 Manifesto7 wrote: If you read the website, you would realize that it wasn't the government, it was the corrupt cocaine selling Durham Police Department. Jeez Aegreanimininm, read before typing.
edit- Dont you work for the American government as well? Why would you choose the military if you "don't trust government"?
Police are a function of Government, local as it may be, or should I say Regional. Are you saying that the Police Force wasn't a Government entity? Well, what then would you classify it as....Private?
Yes, I do. The Military is a great stepping stone onto better things and I get to save lives so its a win:win situation for myself. Now, would I trust the Military in Civilian affairs? Hell no. That is why we have laws against such use. If I ever witnessed something that was an egregious act or violation of what I believe in then hell fucking yes I would whistleblow, but as I am in the CG and as we are smaller than the NYPD and we aren't combat oriented, well I don't have much to worry about.
Do I trust the Military to do anything other than wage war and build various public works (US Army Corps of Engineers)? Nope. So, I'm not quite sure what you are getting at...
On August 30 2009 19:32 Manifesto7 wrote: You trust the military to wage war? Iraq.
You trust them to build public works? New Orleans.
I dunno dude.
If you are implying that by trusting Military to wage war that I think they wouldn't ever commit atrocities this is false. Of course every Military does this, because the Military is not one sole entity it is a group of many and you can never control the many. I trust them to fulfill their duty in a time of war and that is to win. We've been in psuedo-wars since WWII which I believe to be unconstitutional as only Congress can declare War and the use of US Forces. We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function.
Those levee's were never built for a storm of such magnitude. While hindsight shows us that you should always build for the worst case scenario (Cat 5+++), do you honestly believe the intentions of the ACOE was to purposefully not build Cat 5+++ levees so New Orleans would devolve into mayhem? They fulfilled their function through every other Hurricane because they were built to withstand those. ACOE is known for their outstanding construction works.
The DoD has committed untold atrocities on the citizens of this country.
Personally, I would rather the Military return to an Early American Militia (State Armies) and only forming under the provision of the Federal Government when we are in War declared by Congress. Saves money and keeps the population trained and armed.
PS: Manifesto not believing Police to be a part of the Government...lol.
We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function.
Wow.
As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim.
Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation.
We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function.
Wow.
As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim.
Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation.
And we're meant to argue with someone who's already said he will say we're wrong on everything? What's the point?
I'm not really brushed up on my US military endeavours apart from the major such as Vietnam/Iraq and the Korean war (which I learnt in secondary school history, so do forgive the lack of depth in my knowledge); but what I would say is you've certainly not "won" everything. Retreating and calling it victory does not constitute winning. As I already said though, i'm sure you've already decided what it is you think and will not change your opinion on the matter, so it's not really worth going further in to it.
Anyway back on to subject: I remember reading about the Canadian police force being a bit extreme in some cases, but that amount of time + no lawyer etc etc? That's crazy O_O. If it is true
Obviously there are quite a few things to note here, foremost, this is on FOX. Secondly, as a well travelled triple citizen, I can safely say that this would not surprise me in the slightest. Thirdly, who the fuck cares. And last, but not least, Canada is still better than America, and our police are still less corrupt, despite this small town cocaine ring.
One last thing, which is worse, a corrupt small town police ring, or an entire government which is so ridiculously corrupt that it is not even amusing any more?
We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function.
Wow.
As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim.
Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation.
Wow, if there was ever a post that defined someone as American, that is it!
So... Aside from the obvious fact that America has actually lost quite a few wars, I find it hilarious that you think wars are won. Obviously because the enemy lost slightly more troops than you did, and your country didn't have massive civilian causalities, you won
Aegreen, I don't think anyone is arguing that the military attempts to fulfill its "function" in anything it does. You point out that the military is a collective, not a whole; ironically, it is treated by the government as a tool for tyranny.
What we (and I think I can include Manifesto and Eskii in this) disagree with is any trust toward the U.S. military, and much less toward the U.S. government (which controls the army). The U.S. government is the most tyrannical in modern history, with heavily-funded branches like the CIA being responsible for countless acts of terrorism (even toward its own military). That you trust the government or the military institution and its direction in general is shocking.
On August 30 2009 21:03 Oxygen wrote: Aegreen, I don't think anyone is arguing that the military attempts to fulfill its "function" in anything it does. You point out that the military is a collective, not a whole; ironically, it is treated by the government as a tool for tyranny.
What we (and I think I can include Manifesto and Eskii in this) disagree with is any trust toward the U.S. military, and much less toward the U.S. government (which controls the army). The U.S. government is the most tyrannical in modern history, with heavily-funded branches like the CIA being responsible for countless acts of terrorism (even toward its own military). That you trust the government or the military institution and its direction in general is shocking.
I'm not sure you read the line where I said what I trusted in the Military.
I trust the Military to win whatever War we are in (Even with the meddling of the political elite crass), and I trust the ACE to build perfectly capable structures. That is all I trust the Military to do.
It's like people here take whatever I say to the vapid extreme, that is I say I trust one part of the Military (Their sole function and duty) and extrapolate based on that, that I trust whatever the Military does. Good grief, can you get any more wrong? I trust nothing that our Politicians do, save for a select few and even then its not a trust, but a verification process and then continue to stay on them like flies on shit.
Eh, I wouldn't say we are the most Tyrannical. I suppose you forgot in the not too fargone past, the USSR, Nazi Germany, Pol Pot, Cuba, just about the whole of Africa, Bosnia / Kosovo, etc. We are a Nanny State just like the rest of the world, with Freedom, but a mere illusion.
On August 30 2009 21:03 Oxygen wrote: Aegreen, I don't think anyone is arguing that the military attempts to fulfill its "function" in anything it does. You point out that the military is a collective, not a whole; ironically, it is treated by the government as a tool for tyranny.
What we (and I think I can include Manifesto and Eskii in this) disagree with is any trust toward the U.S. military, and much less toward the U.S. government (which controls the army). The U.S. government is the most tyrannical in modern history, with heavily-funded branches like the CIA being responsible for countless acts of terrorism (even toward its own military). That you trust the government or the military institution and its direction in general is shocking.
I'm not sure you read the line where I said what I trusted in the Military.
I trust the Military to win whatever War we are in (Even with the meddling of the political elite crass), and I trust the ACE to build perfectly capable structures. That is all I trust the Military to do.
It's like people here take whatever I say to the vapid extreme, that is I say I trust one part of the Military (Their sole function and duty) and extrapolate based on that, that I trust whatever the Military does. Good grief, can you get any more wrong? I trust nothing that our Politicians do, save for a select few and even then its not a trust, but a verification process and then continue to stay on them like flies on shit.
Eh, I wouldn't say we are the most Tyrannical. I suppose you forgot in the not too fargone past, the USSR, Nazi Germany, Pol Pot, Cuba, just about the whole of Africa, Bosnia / Kosovo, etc. We are a Nanny State just like the rest of the world, with Freedom, but a mere illusion.
Because if there is one thing that the patriot act and FISA have shown us, its that the U.S.A. isn't nearly is tyrannical as Nazi Germany. I find it hilarious that you throw an entire continent and Cuba into the same leagues as the USSR and Nazi Germany. Also, just a small note here, why would you say Nazi Germany and then mention the USSR? Why not say Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR. Obviously the same goes for Cuba, but that's okay.
As for taking your statements to "the vapid extreme", I am still waiting for you to revisit your opinion on the U.S.A.'s history of losing wars.
One last thing, a good nanny does not spank the children, only a nanny who has raised the children badly does.
He is not, and with the insanely easy access it would be to get court transcripts, as well as any other identification (Hi, canadian reporters will report on anything like this if it has merit). Yet nothing happening over here. Let alone the reports of what you've described would be on record somewhere, once again with easy access. Court transcripts can be picked up by pretty much anyone, so finding one person in canada who he knew to go get them and bring them to you would be insanely easy.
My god man! you haven't any idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you live in B.C. or somewhere where records are accessible over the Internet. Get out and see the rest of the world! You obviously have no knowledge of the Ontario Court system!
The Toronto Star, the Washington Times and other journalistic investigators have tried and failed to get records on this case.
Allow me to educate you a little: The Ontario records process is antiquated, to be polite. In 1980, they decided to take a few steps further back when they closed court records to public scrutiny. Where, in most of Canada, records may be obtained easily over the Internet, that is far from true in Ontario.
To obtain court criminal records in Ontario, you MUST; * Have the name of the presiding judge, the town, courtroom, date and specific courtroom where proceedings took place. * Appear IN PERSON at the specific location and request the court records. * Bring a notepad and pen, as you will not be able to copy these records, IF you are allowed to view them at all. They may be sealed.
Complete transcripts of court actions are rare and those that do exist may be edited by the presiding judge.
Criminal court records usually consist of abbreviated court minutes (the official court record) and case files (which include indictments, depositions, and records of conviction and sentence).
After a period of time, all court records are sent to the Archives of Ontario, where they say they are in the "process" of cataloging them. The majority of the records are not indexed. Apparently, they've been concentrating on the years 1800 to 1930. If anyone can find any information there, please, please, let me know: http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/index.aspx
The Ontario Attorney General's office turned over records in 1979 that were apparently indexed, and covered the years 1871 to 1977. Once again, records past 1980 are not considered public.
In the case of court transcripts, whether or not they are taken at all is up to the sole discretion of the judge who, in a case where they are taken, has the authority to edit those transcripts or seal them completely.
Trust me - if getting these transcripts, if any exist at all, were in any way "insanely easy" to obtain, we would have them.
** EDIT ** I have to backtrack a little here. It is a violation of the criminal code of Canada for a jusge to alter transcripts. Regardless it has been done - although not as prevalently in criminal court as in family court where it seems to be common practice, to the point where quite a controversy has come into play over a person's right to bring a tape recorder into court to assure an accurate record.
On August 26 2009 01:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote: As an american I feel obligated to report that I too have received equal treatment from Canadian people and can fully sympathize / confirm this is well within their ability as a people.
We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function.
Wow.
As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim.
Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation.
[QUOTE]On August 26 2009 02:23 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: [QUOTE]On August 26 2009 01:56 Cube wrote: what this man fails to realize is that american police have no jurisdiction in canada, and what he was doing was illegal. he was not, as he claims in the video 'illegally arrested' (any citizen could have legally arrested him). he also claims he was covered in thousands of bugs and cockroaches, and fed food with human feces in it (yeah sure). he prononces american like a prick from the south. he was held for seven months... wait... four years.. waiting for it to change again... lol the RCMP are hardly an FBI equivalent. video stops. i certainly hope nobody listened to this.[/QUOTE]
He's from Jersey, but close on the accent.
Also, I googled Toronto Broadcasting Company and nothing came up. It is, apparently, not even a real company. I've also googled, with several different search strings, for a cocaine smuggling ring within a Canadian police department. Again, nothing. If it were such common knowledge (and news like that is always big, regardless of how big or small a police force is) then surely google would find it? Maybe my search skills are sucking right now, but if they aren't, something else isn't adding up in this guys story. In fact, the only news I can find regarding Durham police and cocaine is how they busted a $3M drug smuggling scheme. This guy seems so full of shit.
Not to mention the guy is fat as hell. How did he manage to get that fat eating so little and being tortured all the time?
[QUOTE]On August 26 2009 02:18 DamageControL wrote: [QUOTE]On August 26 2009 02:06 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Something doesn't fit. Why would you capture a guy, falsely imprison him, and then let him go so he can make things bad for your government? Why not just finish the job and cover that up? If there were a cocaine ring inside some police department, they could easily take some of the coke and say that they caught him with X amount in his vehicle and arrested him for it. They'd have the tools to cover it up, that's for sure.
I was going to say the same thing.. He says he was held in a small cell with no food, pretty much no food that anyone would want to eat - if it had feces in it.. So he was basically starved and tortured.. but I guess when he gets out, the 1st thing he does when he gets back to the US is go on like back-to-back buffet raids! If you weighed like 300 lbs and then were inprisoned and starved to where you lost much weight, to like 140 lbs.. don't ya think u would continue in a positive direction and keep a healthy weight? rather than binging out and shooting right back up to like 260+ lbs.. ? big dood like that wouldnt have lasted 7 months being starved etc..
but ya, there are a few 'wtfs' about this story - the biggest would be that if it did happen, there's pretty much nothing he can do about it.. Like others have said though, he should have published his tapes or had back-ups and as soon as he started pursuing this story, he shoulda contacted backup in the US so he could send them tapes as proof, or at least use them as a backup, incase he went missing or something, he woulda had friends in the US knowing of his investigation.. Seems like for him being a sherrif of US police, he made some dumb moves not involving backup or going for help before trying to uncover a huge drug ring by another police force and in another country.. I mean c'mon.. dood shoulda known about the border policies... and that u can't really do something in another country.. Like u could murder someone in USA and go to canada and USA can't do shit.. vice versa.. governments dont stretch across borders..
Another shame would be his missing son.. That could be the biggest lead though, cause normally governments would do anything in their power to find missing children etc..
I love how political we are. If something like this happened in a small American southern town, every liberal on this forum would go apeshit and the one or two conservatives would say "lol, look at that small town where nobody's ever seen cocaine." Since this happened in a small Canadian town, all the liberals say this isn't possible without even giving it a thought.
The ability to torture somebody isn't limited to left or right folks. It's not limited to America or China or Africa (and oh god does it happen in Africa... on a day-to-day basis without the rest of the world giving a damn).
We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function.
Wow.
As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim.
Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation.
We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function.
Wow.
As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim.
Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation.
On August 31 2009 06:53 Krohm wrote: The problem was Canada wasn't really Canada at the time. So its possible that descendants of true Canadians were the ones who burnt it down.
that'd involve some pretty weird time traveling shit
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