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On August 30 2009 19:32 Manifesto7 wrote:
You trust the military to wage war? Iraq.
You trust them to build public works? New Orleans.
I dunno dude.
If you are implying that by trusting Military to wage war that I think they wouldn't ever commit atrocities this is false. Of course every Military does this, because the Military is not one sole entity it is a group of many and you can never control the many. I trust them to fulfill their duty in a time of war and that is to win. We've been in psuedo-wars since WWII which I believe to be unconstitutional as only Congress can declare War and the use of US Forces. We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function.
Those levee's were never built for a storm of such magnitude. While hindsight shows us that you should always build for the worst case scenario (Cat 5+++), do you honestly believe the intentions of the ACOE was to purposefully not build Cat 5+++ levees so New Orleans would devolve into mayhem? They fulfilled their function through every other Hurricane because they were built to withstand those. ACOE is known for their outstanding construction works.
The DoD has committed untold atrocities on the citizens of this country.
http://www.whale.to/a/cantwell9.html
Personally, I would rather the Military return to an Early American Militia (State Armies) and only forming under the provision of the Federal Government when we are in War declared by Congress. Saves money and keeps the population trained and armed.
PS: Manifesto not believing Police to be a part of the Government...lol.
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Osaka27179 Posts
We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function.
Wow.
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On August 30 2009 19:50 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function. Wow.
As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim.
Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation.
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On August 30 2009 19:58 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 19:50 Manifesto7 wrote:We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function. Wow. As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim. Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation.
And we're meant to argue with someone who's already said he will say we're wrong on everything? What's the point?
I'm not really brushed up on my US military endeavours apart from the major such as Vietnam/Iraq and the Korean war (which I learnt in secondary school history, so do forgive the lack of depth in my knowledge); but what I would say is you've certainly not "won" everything. Retreating and calling it victory does not constitute winning. As I already said though, i'm sure you've already decided what it is you think and will not change your opinion on the matter, so it's not really worth going further in to it.
Anyway back on to subject: I remember reading about the Canadian police force being a bit extreme in some cases, but that amount of time + no lawyer etc etc? That's crazy O_O. If it is true 
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Obviously there are quite a few things to note here, foremost, this is on FOX. Secondly, as a well travelled triple citizen, I can safely say that this would not surprise me in the slightest. Thirdly, who the fuck cares. And last, but not least, Canada is still better than America, and our police are still less corrupt, despite this small town cocaine ring.
One last thing, which is worse, a corrupt small town police ring, or an entire government which is so ridiculously corrupt that it is not even amusing any more?
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On August 30 2009 19:58 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 19:50 Manifesto7 wrote:We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function. Wow. As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim. Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation.
Wow, if there was ever a post that defined someone as American, that is it!
So... Aside from the obvious fact that America has actually lost quite a few wars, I find it hilarious that you think wars are won. Obviously because the enemy lost slightly more troops than you did, and your country didn't have massive civilian causalities, you won 
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On August 30 2009 19:58 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 19:50 Manifesto7 wrote:We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function. Wow. As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim.
Does this mean there is no possibility that I could be right?
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Pretty much Mani, pretty much... Well, unless we can convince Aegrean otherwise. Dunno if it's possible though.
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Aegreen, I don't think anyone is arguing that the military attempts to fulfill its "function" in anything it does. You point out that the military is a collective, not a whole; ironically, it is treated by the government as a tool for tyranny.
What we (and I think I can include Manifesto and Eskii in this) disagree with is any trust toward the U.S. military, and much less toward the U.S. government (which controls the army). The U.S. government is the most tyrannical in modern history, with heavily-funded branches like the CIA being responsible for countless acts of terrorism (even toward its own military). That you trust the government or the military institution and its direction in general is shocking.
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On August 30 2009 21:03 Oxygen wrote:
Aegreen, I don't think anyone is arguing that the military attempts to fulfill its "function" in anything it does. You point out that the military is a collective, not a whole; ironically, it is treated by the government as a tool for tyranny.
What we (and I think I can include Manifesto and Eskii in this) disagree with is any trust toward the U.S. military, and much less toward the U.S. government (which controls the army). The U.S. government is the most tyrannical in modern history, with heavily-funded branches like the CIA being responsible for countless acts of terrorism (even toward its own military). That you trust the government or the military institution and its direction in general is shocking.
I'm not sure you read the line where I said what I trusted in the Military.
I trust the Military to win whatever War we are in (Even with the meddling of the political elite crass), and I trust the ACE to build perfectly capable structures. That is all I trust the Military to do.
It's like people here take whatever I say to the vapid extreme, that is I say I trust one part of the Military (Their sole function and duty) and extrapolate based on that, that I trust whatever the Military does. Good grief, can you get any more wrong? I trust nothing that our Politicians do, save for a select few and even then its not a trust, but a verification process and then continue to stay on them like flies on shit.
Eh, I wouldn't say we are the most Tyrannical. I suppose you forgot in the not too fargone past, the USSR, Nazi Germany, Pol Pot, Cuba, just about the whole of Africa, Bosnia / Kosovo, etc. We are a Nanny State just like the rest of the world, with Freedom, but a mere illusion.
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On August 30 2009 21:19 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 21:03 Oxygen wrote:
Aegreen, I don't think anyone is arguing that the military attempts to fulfill its "function" in anything it does. You point out that the military is a collective, not a whole; ironically, it is treated by the government as a tool for tyranny.
What we (and I think I can include Manifesto and Eskii in this) disagree with is any trust toward the U.S. military, and much less toward the U.S. government (which controls the army). The U.S. government is the most tyrannical in modern history, with heavily-funded branches like the CIA being responsible for countless acts of terrorism (even toward its own military). That you trust the government or the military institution and its direction in general is shocking. I'm not sure you read the line where I said what I trusted in the Military. I trust the Military to win whatever War we are in (Even with the meddling of the political elite crass), and I trust the ACE to build perfectly capable structures. That is all I trust the Military to do. It's like people here take whatever I say to the vapid extreme, that is I say I trust one part of the Military (Their sole function and duty) and extrapolate based on that, that I trust whatever the Military does. Good grief, can you get any more wrong? I trust nothing that our Politicians do, save for a select few and even then its not a trust, but a verification process and then continue to stay on them like flies on shit. Eh, I wouldn't say we are the most Tyrannical. I suppose you forgot in the not too fargone past, the USSR, Nazi Germany, Pol Pot, Cuba, just about the whole of Africa, Bosnia / Kosovo, etc. We are a Nanny State just like the rest of the world, with Freedom, but a mere illusion.
Because if there is one thing that the patriot act and FISA have shown us, its that the U.S.A. isn't nearly is tyrannical as Nazi Germany. I find it hilarious that you throw an entire continent and Cuba into the same leagues as the USSR and Nazi Germany. Also, just a small note here, why would you say Nazi Germany and then mention the USSR? Why not say Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR. Obviously the same goes for Cuba, but that's okay.
As for taking your statements to "the vapid extreme", I am still waiting for you to revisit your opinion on the U.S.A.'s history of losing wars.
One last thing, a good nanny does not spank the children, only a nanny who has raised the children badly does.
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BkoodyC0bbler wrote:
He is not, and with the insanely easy access it would be to get court transcripts, as well as any other identification (Hi, canadian reporters will report on anything like this if it has merit). Yet nothing happening over here. Let alone the reports of what you've described would be on record somewhere, once again with easy access. Court transcripts can be picked up by pretty much anyone, so finding one person in canada who he knew to go get them and bring them to you would be insanely easy.
My god man! you haven't any idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you live in B.C. or somewhere where records are accessible over the Internet. Get out and see the rest of the world! You obviously have no knowledge of the Ontario Court system!
The Toronto Star, the Washington Times and other journalistic investigators have tried and failed to get records on this case.
Allow me to educate you a little:
The Ontario records process is antiquated, to be polite.
In 1980, they decided to take a few steps further back when they closed court records to public scrutiny.
Where, in most of Canada, records may be obtained easily over the Internet, that is far from true in Ontario.
To obtain court criminal records in Ontario, you MUST;
* Have the name of the presiding judge, the town, courtroom, date and specific courtroom where proceedings took place.
* Appear IN PERSON at the specific location and request the court records.
* Bring a notepad and pen, as you will not be able to copy these records, IF you are allowed to view them at all. They may be sealed.
Complete transcripts of court actions are rare and those that do exist may be edited by the presiding judge.
Criminal court records usually consist of abbreviated court minutes (the official court record) and case files (which include indictments, depositions, and records of conviction and sentence).
After a period of time, all court records are sent to the Archives of Ontario, where they say they are in the "process" of cataloging them. The majority of the records are not indexed. Apparently, they've been concentrating on the years 1800 to 1930.
If anyone can find any information there, please, please, let me know:
http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/index.aspx
The Ontario Attorney General's office turned over records in 1979 that were apparently indexed, and covered the years 1871 to 1977. Once again, records past 1980 are not considered public.
In the case of court transcripts, whether or not they are taken at all is up to the sole discretion of the judge who, in a case where they are taken, has the authority to edit those transcripts or seal them completely.
Trust me - if getting these transcripts, if any exist at all, were in any way "insanely easy" to obtain, we would have them.
** EDIT ** I have to backtrack a little here. It is a violation of the criminal code of Canada for a jusge to alter transcripts. Regardless it has been done - although not as prevalently in criminal court as in family court where it seems to be common practice, to the point where quite a controversy has come into play over a person's right to bring a tape recorder into court to assure an accurate record.
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This thread makes me want to laugh hysterically and hang my head in shame at the ridiculousness of it all at the same time. Oh dilemmas...
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On August 30 2009 19:40 Jayson X wrote:
Buddy Logan. What a cool name. Like Jazz Snipett. Or Booster Rooster.
Or Scott Loper.
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On August 26 2009 01:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
As an american I feel obligated to report that I too have received equal treatment from Canadian people and can fully sympathize / confirm this is well within their ability as a people.
poor poor inc
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On August 30 2009 19:58 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 19:50 Manifesto7 wrote:We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function. Wow. As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim. Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation.
Canada burns down American Whitehouse in 1812
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[QUOTE]On August 26 2009 02:23 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 26 2009 01:56 Cube wrote:
what this man fails to realize is that american police have no jurisdiction in canada, and what he was doing was illegal. he was not, as he claims in the video 'illegally arrested' (any citizen could have legally arrested him). he also claims he was covered in thousands of bugs and cockroaches, and fed food with human feces in it (yeah sure). he prononces american like a prick from the south. he was held for seven months... wait... four years.. waiting for it to change again... lol the RCMP are hardly an FBI equivalent. video stops. i certainly hope nobody listened to this.[/QUOTE]
He's from Jersey, but close on the accent.
Also, I googled Toronto Broadcasting Company and nothing came up. It is, apparently, not even a real company. I've also googled, with several different search strings, for a cocaine smuggling ring within a Canadian police department. Again, nothing. If it were such common knowledge (and news like that is always big, regardless of how big or small a police force is) then surely google would find it? Maybe my search skills are sucking right now, but if they aren't, something else isn't adding up in this guys story. In fact, the only news I can find regarding Durham police and cocaine is how they busted a $3M drug smuggling scheme. This guy seems so full of shit.
Not to mention the guy is fat as hell. How did he manage to get that fat eating so little and being tortured all the time?
[QUOTE]On August 26 2009 02:18 DamageControL wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 26 2009 02:06 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Something doesn't fit. Why would you capture a guy, falsely imprison him, and then let him go so he can make things bad for your government? Why not just finish the job and cover that up? If there were a cocaine ring inside some police department, they could easily take some of the coke and say that they caught him with X amount in his vehicle and arrested him for it. They'd have the tools to cover it up, that's for sure.
I was going to say the same thing..
He says he was held in a small cell with no food, pretty much no food that anyone would want to eat - if it had feces in it..
So he was basically starved and tortured.. but I guess when he gets out, the 1st thing he does when he gets back to the US is go on like back-to-back buffet raids! If you weighed like 300 lbs and then were inprisoned and starved to where you lost much weight, to like 140 lbs.. don't ya think u would continue in a positive direction and keep a healthy weight? rather than binging out and shooting right back up to like 260+ lbs.. ? big dood like that wouldnt have lasted 7 months being starved etc..
but ya, there are a few 'wtfs' about this story - the biggest would be that if it did happen, there's pretty much nothing he can do about it.. Like others have said though, he should have published his tapes or had back-ups and as soon as he started pursuing this story, he shoulda contacted backup in the US so he could send them tapes as proof, or at least use them as a backup, incase he went missing or something, he woulda had friends in the US knowing of his investigation.. Seems like for him being a sherrif of US police, he made some dumb moves not involving backup or going for help before trying to uncover a huge drug ring by another police force and in another country.. I mean c'mon.. dood shoulda known about the border policies... and that u can't really do something in another country.. Like u could murder someone in USA and go to canada and USA can't do shit.. vice versa.. governments dont stretch across borders..
Another shame would be his missing son.. That could be the biggest lead though, cause normally governments would do anything in their power to find missing children etc..
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I love how political we are. If something like this happened in a small American southern town, every liberal on this forum would go apeshit and the one or two conservatives would say "lol, look at that small town where nobody's ever seen cocaine." Since this happened in a small Canadian town, all the liberals say this isn't possible without even giving it a thought.
The ability to torture somebody isn't limited to left or right folks. It's not limited to America or China or Africa (and oh god does it happen in Africa... on a day-to-day basis without the rest of the world giving a damn).
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On August 31 2009 03:12 Yaqoob wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 19:58 Aegraen wrote:On August 30 2009 19:50 Manifesto7 wrote:We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function. Wow. As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim. Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation. Canada burns down American Whitehouse in 1812
Canada burned down the White House? Or Britain burned down the White House?
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On August 31 2009 06:12 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 03:12 Yaqoob wrote:On August 30 2009 19:58 Aegraen wrote:On August 30 2009 19:50 Manifesto7 wrote:We haven't lost a war yet, so yes, I trust the Military to fulfill its function. Wow. As to not de-rail the thread any further, you can PM me which wars you believe the US has lost and I will refute every claim. Ironically you can't say we lost the Civil War because the US did win. The CSA lost. It wasn't even a Civil War because the CSA was a Sovereign Nation. Canada burns down American Whitehouse in 1812 Canada burned down the White House? Or Britain burned down the White House?
Britain burned down the White House 
I just like to try to take some credit for it
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