Warhammer Armies! (Tabletop) - Page 3

On September 06 2009 17:07 iaguz wrote:
Eh, there's tons of OP shit in warhammer fantasy...

Let's take Vampire Counts. Well, ok, they got like one overpowered piece of bullshittery, and that's 1-die invocations of nehek and the stupid Necromancy rule. Other then that they're actually pretty balanced. Yes the corpse cart is a bit silly, yes Wight King BSB's are rock solid as fuck and yes Cairn Wraiths are, in the right circumstances, horrendously lame to play against, but for the most part they're actually ok. Quite strong in the right hands but manageable if they have to fork over tons of points just to have a solid battleline.

Daemons of Chaos are abominations though. First, you take an entire army and give them fear, immune to psychology, 5+ ward saves and instability, which is arguably better then undead crumbling. Now, this looks a lot like Undead armies, but undead have this cool little thing where although the units have neat advantages they come with disadvantages; they are pisspoor in combat and cannot march, relying a ton on strong characters to bolster the ranks. With Daemons you get already solid units that with characters become WTFBBQ powerful. Consider the following:
15-20 Bloodletters + Khorne Herald + Jugger + Firestorm blade + armour of khorne, + skull totem

Arrayed 7x2 or 3 this is a core choice that will basically munch it's way through anything. It has fear, hatred, killing blow, 5+ wards, M5, S5, Immune to psych ('only' 1 attack and t3) plus it's being lead by the Jugger Herald, who boasts a 0+ save (wtf, str 6 hits required to drop it to a 3+ save?) who has all the above bonuses but also has flaming attacks and hits at str 7 with WS 7. As a final shit in our collective cut, the unit cannot be marched blocked with the skull totem. I love this game.

20-ish Plague Bearers + Nurgle Herald + Palanquin + vapours + slime trail.

Plague bearers, Str 4, T4, 5+ ward, pretty solid. Oh wait, now they regenerate too! And they have poison attacks, so they're not too bad in a scrap either. Oh yeah, and they're re-rolling the to-wound rolls, and pesky things like outnumbering and flanking doesn't really bother them.

Siren Song. Items and abilities that affect one's movement phase positively are generally seen as shining beacons of wonderfulness. Siren Song goes one better by affecting your opponent's movement phase, and by effect I mean totally fuck over. Oh, and it's not like you had to roll dice to get that ability to work for you or anything.

Flesh Hounds. 35 pts. Mag res 3, 2 str 5's and 2 wounds. Wait, 2 wounds? How did that one get through? Cold One Knights, Chaos Knights and Knights of the Blood Keep all have a mere 1 wound, somehow you get to have 2? And near immunity to magic as well? Hah!

Flamers. And now we get to the most horrid of all offenders, the Flamers. 35 pts as well, and they skirmish so they have great mobility. They shoot d6 str 4 flaming attacks at people, so a unit of 6 (210pts) can easily cripple units in a single flurry of dice. Well, that's ok, because they suck in melee right? Wrong! 2 str 5 attacks each (and that's after they stand and shoot you as well)! T 4 and 2 wounds as well! How the FUCK did these fuckers make it into the army list?

On September 06 2009 19:12 kefkalives wrote:
Well, on the note of powergaming, with how gw has written the new chaos books going purely 1 god/mark is boring/unfeasible.

On September 06 2009 21:44 Manit0u wrote:
Reminds me a bit of imbaness of Chaos in WH40K too (back some time, dunno how it shapes now). Chaos lord on a bike + 2 squads of marines hiding behind a tank (marines and lord were obligatory choices), tank is there just to keep CSM from harm long enough.
Tactics:
1. ride your lord as fast as you can towards the enemy
2. when your lord reaches enemy lines, use your insignia (or whatever it was called) to summon your bloodthirster
3. watch enemy die

Talk about no-brainer...

On September 06 2009 08:51 DrTJEckleburg wrote:
My brother and I used to love playing this when were younger(sadly we had to use mostly paper as that stuff was just too expensive for us). We played mostly the original Warhammer and then the re-makes started coming out with new rules and battle books and we just lost interest. Warhammer 40K was really fun to play too, plus most of the models were plastic so we could afford that. We bought Gothic(space version of WH40K) at the Games Workshop HQ in Glen Burnie but we never even played a game of that, sadly. The guy that was working there was so awesome, he convinced us to buy it.

I still have a beautiful Lord of Change in a box some where and my brother's Screaming Bell was on my headboard for a long time(now in storage!). I'll get some pictures up later, really nice stuff OP, what rule set are they on now? Like #3? I wonder where all my original books are.

On September 07 2009 00:24 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I've been contemplating getting into BFG but no starter box is off-putting =]

On September 07 2009 01:52 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Ye, you can even download it for free from the GW website. But still, I like getting two nice starter fleets :D Everything else is in metal and thus more expensive hehe.

On September 11 2010 05:34 freelander wrote:
isn't BFG about giant mecha vs giant mecha fights?

is it about spaceship fights?