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Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
September 29 2011 14:12 GMT
#1481
Well I totally agree with your line about how the song should dictate the map. I played stepmania a lot, and that sort of idea came to me way back then, actually. I saw some people making stepfiles that were just utter bullshit and didn't fit the music very well. But the community in SM quickly moved away from that for the most part, and become very technical (trying to match every occurance of a sound, sometimes tailoring the patterns to the melody, etc.) And the maps get harder because of following the music even more closely than before. That that was also partly because of the fact that the overall skill of players was improving, so the stepfiles got harder to compensate.
MegaManEXE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States845 Posts
September 29 2011 18:33 GMT
#1482
On September 29 2011 23:12 Bobbias wrote:
Well I totally agree with your line about how the song should dictate the map. I played stepmania a lot, and that sort of idea came to me way back then, actually. I saw some people making stepfiles that were just utter bullshit and didn't fit the music very well. But the community in SM quickly moved away from that for the most part, and become very technical (trying to match every occurance of a sound, sometimes tailoring the patterns to the melody, etc.) And the maps get harder because of following the music even more closely than before. That that was also partly because of the fact that the overall skill of players was improving, so the stepfiles got harder to compensate.


Yeah I used to play SM too, I remember when every chart I played had like 40-50 second long deathstreams and shit just for the sake of filling space :/
aycheff
Profile Joined February 2010
United States329 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 19:30:05
September 29 2011 19:11 GMT
#1483
On September 28 2011 10:10 MegaManEXE wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Gold Dust is one of the most overrated maps ever

Seriously the spacing makes no sense

It's fun to play I'll admit but that still doesn't excuse the random ass spacing


Gold Dust looks like my maps when I place rhytmn and not actual patterns :|
hf // yeahyeahyeahhh // Y.S-Y
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 05:02:43
September 29 2011 23:23 GMT
#1484
On September 29 2011 08:57 MegaManEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 06:23 Bobbias wrote:
I was making a point. That map pretty much epitomizes the garbage that is so many maps :/ Sure, many of them aren't that bad, but it's a perfect example of how to make a terrible map, lol.

For now I'm pretty lenient on what I'd call a bad map, because most modern maps are still better than the garage that is old maps...


I like old maps :/

Not 2007 old, but some 2008 and a lot of 2009 maps, and a few 2010 ones

Most of the 2011 maps I've tried feel too similar, they're either generic anime songs using the same boring, uninspired patterns, or they're just stupidly hard for the sake of being hard, which is sadly the direction this game is going it seems. What ever happened to mapping for fun or because you liked the song? Too many maps nowadays don't really suit the song, they're way too hard for songs that shouldn't be mapped that difficult. It's like half the mappers want to be that one guy who makes the map that Cookiezi can't beat or something. The song should dictate the map imo, rather than the map being forced.

Maybe I'm just too old-school and don't "get it" with these new maps or something lol


I can agree with your sentiment about the anime songs or the songs that are hard for the sake of being hard, But I think that really a lot of the songs from any time are hit and miss. There are some awesome songs prior to 2010, but a lot of mediocre ones. The difference is that the mediocre maps from 2011 seem to be more playable or fun to most people. I've played maybe every single beatmap from packs 1 through 112 so far, I can really say that there is a lot of crap to get through, but I've certainly enjoyed a lot of the songs as well.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
Logginurkeyz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States375 Posts
September 30 2011 00:02 GMT
#1485
I FINALLY beat SNSD - RDR [hard] today! Damn, that song has a hard section right before the end...
Dropped my combo on a slider somewhere in the middle- but I had an S through 2 of the breaks...

S through 2 of the breaks:
http://i.imgur.com/dNakW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fSEbn.jpg

[image loading]

and the replay file: http://www.mediafire.com/?7jaayljvc9t8928
osu! beatmap listing: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/19357
Jemag... Jemag... you're like an alcoholic telling me why you drink... you have your reasons, but it's still bad... <3 iNcontroL
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
September 30 2011 01:28 GMT
#1486
I've been thinking about new map philosophies, has anyone tried making the beatmap interact with the song? I feel like in some maps there is a little play where the hits themselves add to the song, but I think it would be cool to try and make a map that adds to the song. Maybe some call and answer sections, but it might be hard to find a song that has breaks in the melody to do that. Anyway, I'm kind of just thinking 'out loud', because if I'm gonna start mapping I want to make an above average map.
http://i.imgur.com/IPxgv.png
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
September 30 2011 04:57 GMT
#1487
On September 30 2011 08:23 cabarkapa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 08:57 MegaManEXE wrote:
On September 29 2011 06:23 Bobbias wrote:
I was making a point. That map pretty much epitomizes the garbage that is so many maps :/ Sure, many of them aren't that bad, but it's a perfect example of how to make a terrible map, lol.

For now I'm pretty lenient on what I'd call a bad map, because most modern maps are still better than the garage that is old maps...


I like old maps :/

Not 2007 old, but some 2008 and a lot of 2009 maps, and a few 2010 ones

Most of the 2011 maps I've tried feel too similar, they're either generic anime songs using the same boring, uninspired patterns, or they're just stupidly hard for the sake of being hard, which is sadly the direction this game is going it seems. What ever happened to mapping for fun or because you liked the song? Too many maps nowadays don't really suit the song, they're way too hard for songs that shouldn't be mapped that difficult. It's like half the mappers want to be that one guy who makes the map that Cookiezi can't beat or something. The song should dictate the map imo, rather than the map being forced.

Maybe I'm just too old-school and don't "get it" with these new maps or something lol


I can agree with your sentiment about the anime songs or the songs that are hard for the sake of being hard, But I think that really a lot of the songs from any time are hit and miss. There are some awesome songs prior to 2011, but a lot of mediocre ones. The difference is that the mediocre maps from 2011 seem to be more playable or fun to most people. I've played maybe every single beatmap from packs 1 through 112 so far, I can really say that there is a lot of crap to get through, but I've certainly enjoyed a lot of the songs as well.


I've also found that my view of what was a good simfile/map changed as my skill changed. Some stuff that I used to find really fun, or feel like it was really matching the song feel terrible, or feel like they really dont match nearly as well as they should now.
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 06:31:22
September 30 2011 06:17 GMT
#1488
So I've recently come into some cheater money and was thinking of dropping it towards a new mechanical keyboard. Does anyone here use one? If I remember correctly, ebacho does .

But If anyone has any experience with them, do you think that Cherry MX Blue switches would be better than say Black or Brown for osu? Apparently blue is supposed to be more precise than the others? I know cookiezi and Rucker happen to use Razer Blackwidow which use Blue switches. Though if I got a keyboard probably wont be the Blackwidow.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
ugapa
Profile Joined September 2010
United States153 Posts
September 30 2011 06:21 GMT
#1489
blue is the same as brown except that it makes a loud click when you press the keys; black requires more pressure so you probably would want blue or brown switches
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/10841
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
September 30 2011 06:44 GMT
#1490
Nothing worse than an easy, slow song (musically wise) with 10,000 bpm.

Like, whaaaaat?
Yoshh
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada78 Posts
September 30 2011 06:49 GMT
#1491
I don't recommend black switches for osu!. It's difficult to tell when your key registers when you press on it since it's non-tactile which can really screw up your accuracy. I used one for a week before switching to a keyboard with blue switches and it feels a lot better imo.
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
September 30 2011 06:54 GMT
#1492
On September 30 2011 15:49 Yoshh wrote:
I don't recommend black switches for osu!. It's difficult to tell when your key registers when you press on it since it's non-tactile which can really screw up your accuracy. I used one for a week before switching to a keyboard with blue switches and it feels a lot better imo.

Yeah I'm probably going to get a Das keyboard with either blue or brown.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4193 Posts
September 30 2011 07:43 GMT
#1493
On September 30 2011 15:54 cabarkapa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 15:49 Yoshh wrote:
I don't recommend black switches for osu!. It's difficult to tell when your key registers when you press on it since it's non-tactile which can really screw up your accuracy. I used one for a week before switching to a keyboard with blue switches and it feels a lot better imo.

Yeah I'm probably going to get a Das keyboard with either blue or brown.

Why not get a leopold from elitekeyboards.com since you're in US?
( ・´ー・`)
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 08:07:17
September 30 2011 07:52 GMT
#1494
On September 30 2011 16:43 prototype. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 15:54 cabarkapa wrote:
On September 30 2011 15:49 Yoshh wrote:
I don't recommend black switches for osu!. It's difficult to tell when your key registers when you press on it since it's non-tactile which can really screw up your accuracy. I used one for a week before switching to a keyboard with blue switches and it feels a lot better imo.

Yeah I'm probably going to get a Das keyboard with either blue or brown.

Why not get a leopold from elitekeyboards.com since you're in US?

Because the extent of my searching was really limited since I am lazy. Is the Leopold that much better? Because I believe I can get a student discount on Das Keyboard. Either way I just realized TL has a huge thread on mechanical keyboards that I can go through, probably should have checked there first.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
ebacho
Profile Joined July 2009
United States193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-01 00:57:28
October 01 2011 00:49 GMT
#1495
For Osu you basically have 2 viable choices if you want a mechanical keyboard - Cherry MX Blues or Browns. I've heard some say that MX Reds are great (read: dlovan), but linear switches suck for Osu due to a lack of tactile feedback. When you play hidden or FL or anything that limits your vision, you're going to want to know when you hit a note and whether it actually registered.

Before anyone calls me out, I'd like to back up my claims by saying I've played Osu with over 6 different switch types and MX Browns and Blues are definitely the best. Pics of my mountain of boards available on request, I guess.

EDIT: Forgot about build quality. Basically anything that's mass produced today has the same OEM for the most part and are plate mounted, which decreases variability among the different boards. Just pick whichever one looks better to you and whether you want a numpad or not.
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prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-01 04:23:07
October 01 2011 04:22 GMT
#1496
On October 01 2011 09:49 ebacho wrote:
For Osu you basically have 2 viable choices if you want a mechanical keyboard - Cherry MX Blues or Browns. I've heard some say that MX Reds are great (read: dlovan), but linear switches suck for Osu due to a lack of tactile feedback. When you play hidden or FL or anything that limits your vision, you're going to want to know when you hit a note and whether it actually registered.

Before anyone calls me out, I'd like to back up my claims by saying I've played Osu with over 6 different switch types and MX Browns and Blues are definitely the best. Pics of my mountain of boards available on request, I guess.

EDIT: Forgot about build quality. Basically anything that's mass produced today has the same OEM for the most part and are plate mounted, which decreases variability among the different boards. Just pick whichever one looks better to you and whether you want a numpad or not.

Post your mountain please

BONUS POINTS: Position them so that it actually looks like a mountain.
( ・´ー・`)
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-01 11:24:26
October 01 2011 11:07 GMT
#1497
Oh god it feels so good to finally clear that one map you've been trying for awhile and could never quite beat.

[image loading]
Jaehoon - Master strategist
Yoshh
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada78 Posts
October 01 2011 11:09 GMT
#1498
On October 01 2011 20:07 cabarkapa wrote:
Oh god it feels so good to finally clear that one map you've had for a long time and could never quite beat.



Nice accuracy :D
aycheff
Profile Joined February 2010
United States329 Posts
October 02 2011 00:48 GMT
#1499
Finally got some shit ranked. Yay for deathstreams
hf // yeahyeahyeahhh // Y.S-Y
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
October 03 2011 16:36 GMT
#1500
On October 01 2011 09:49 ebacho wrote:
I've played Osu with over 6 different switch types

loool

Also, I think that the leopold will cost about as much as the Das even with the student discount. The Das is also glossy, so you'll probably get smudges on it. On the other hand, Das does have free shipping.

*no I do not own a mechanical keyboard*
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