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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 21:37:42
May 17 2014 21:30 GMT
#5241
On May 18 2014 01:29 Cyro wrote:
Yea, lots of filthy tablet users though :D



another aim derp like my suklaapallit run



Those short sliders..

Pls teach me :D

But nice play regardless. Pretty impressive even with the choke at the end.

P.S.
I'm just a scrub but lower dpi has made a world of difference.
Per previous.. anything past about 1k is just shooting yourself in the foot.
I run 600 atm on 1366x768 but I feel like between 600-850 is opt.
Could be wrong and I'm still feeling about in the water myself..

Fast edit;
To make this more relatable.. I came from the high end of sens.
When I first started playing osu I had it set up at like 2.2k
I couldn't pass most hards.
I'm sure it was not just my sens that is holding me back..
But changing my sens and general play style has at least let me get started in the right direction.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
Xafnia
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada874 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 23:17:38
May 17 2014 22:06 GMT
#5242
TL game up.

TLlol/123

Edit: it's over.
kill619
Profile Joined December 2011
United States212 Posts
May 18 2014 07:23 GMT
#5243
Why does my offset seem so off in this game? Like most times it feels fine on 0 but every once in a while it's extremely offbeat unless I set it to -60 or so. And no matter how correct is seems as soon as I get to a song with lots of streams I realize how wrong I was. Even if I complete the song with a good percentage, unless I've played it a bunch of times, it feels like I'm just sort of guessing when a super long stream shows up.

I can beat most, tho definitely not all, ar=9 songs with 85% or higher so I know I can't be that bad. My sense of rhythm can't be that inconsistent. It doesn't help that I alternate I suppose. It's just really frustrating to not be able to beat a song and get 75% or lower on no fail, and then get 95%+ if I play it in no click mode.

I don't think it's my equipment either. Benq xl2420T, some sennheiser 598's hooked up to a xonar dg, and a red switch QFR.

Has anyone else experienced this or am I just crazy/bad?
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
May 18 2014 11:22 GMT
#5244
You'd be amazed how many poorly timed maps are ranked. That may not be the cause, but it's still true.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 13:14:34
May 18 2014 13:06 GMT
#5245
On May 18 2014 06:30 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 01:29 Cyro wrote:
Yea, lots of filthy tablet users though :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuPdsJaixMU

another aim derp like my suklaapallit run



Those short sliders..

Pls teach me :D

But nice play regardless. Pretty impressive even with the choke at the end.

P.S.
I'm just a scrub but lower dpi has made a world of difference.
Per previous.. anything past about 1k is just shooting yourself in the foot.
I run 600 atm on 1366x768 but I feel like between 600-850 is opt.
Could be wrong and I'm still feeling about in the water myself..

Fast edit;
To make this more relatable.. I came from the high end of sens.
When I first started playing osu I had it set up at like 2.2k
I couldn't pass most hards.
I'm sure it was not just my sens that is holding me back..
But changing my sens and general play style has at least let me get started in the right direction.



You mean like the jumpy short sliders? Just hold for as long as you can before making clean snap to the next one. edit: Oh, i see the crazy 8x small slider jump - i never had any trouble for that, they hold for two quarter-beats i think, you just have to get used to the time interval - best to hold them for too long, instead of not long enough, because as long as you reach the next one

600dpi on 768 height is equivelant to..~ 844dpi on 1080 height, so higher sens than me by a bit

When i make serious sens changes, like i did 500 to 750 - it really took like six hours of playing across 2-3 days for it to stop feeling like it was terrible - and like it was the dpi's fault, not mine, for being bad - until suddenly my aim was way better in some ways than it used to be
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Xafnia
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada874 Posts
May 18 2014 14:14 GMT
#5246
On May 18 2014 16:23 kill619 wrote:
Why does my offset seem so off in this game? Like most times it feels fine on 0 but every once in a while it's extremely offbeat unless I set it to -60 or so. And no matter how correct is seems as soon as I get to a song with lots of streams I realize how wrong I was.


Many maps might need a ±5ms, the rare map might need ±10. More than that is pretty much guaranteed to have an online offset set already. And really, if you are getting 85% acc, the offset is pretty much completely irrelevant.


I can beat most, tho definitely not all, ar=9 songs with 85% or higher so I know I can't be that bad. My sense of rhythm can't be that inconsistent. It doesn't help that I alternate I suppose.Even if I complete the song with a good percentage, unless I've played it a bunch of times, it feels like I'm just sort of guessing when a super long stream shows up.


In most cases, 85% acc = basically mashing, and high ARs are a lot easier to read too. (Lower ARs give PP bonuses actually). Also, alternating everything is really hard accuracy wise. If you just mean alternating for streams, you need more practice.

Consider this; If you are alternating everything and you come upon a stream, you have to double your click speed on both fingers. If you are single tapping, you just weave your 2nd finger in between your 1st.

If you have trouble getting good acc alternating everything, I highly recommend switching to single tap.


It's just really frustrating to not be able to beat a song and get 75% or lower on no fail, and then get 95%+ if I play it in no click mode.


The way Relax mode works, it really doesn't mean all that much, even aim-wise.


am I just crazy/bad?


Yes. You'll get there eventually if you practice. What's your IGN?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 21:49:37
May 18 2014 21:41 GMT
#5247
If you get 95% on relax mod, you're missing 5% of the notes because of your cursor~

That's the equivalent of, with PERFECT input from your left hand, dropping combo fifty times on a 1000 combo map, hardly appropriate for an FC. It's made worse by your left hand never being perfect, or even desyncing slightly from right hand, so that both can have basically perfect input, but your actual combined input is wrong - this is why you can fail some streams for example, when you'd get SS on either relaxmod or auto aim. That makes you miss more on top of the relaxmod fails

I particularly shoot for SS with relaxmod unless i'm doing aim practice on maps significantly too hard for me

You can relaxmod pretty much anything, but i like doing Freedom Dive 4dimensions, the square jump practice maps (look it up) and V is For are probably good maps too though
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 19 2014 00:18 GMT
#5248
On May 18 2014 07:06 Xafnia wrote:
TL game up.

TLlol/123

Edit: it's over.



Oh we really should start doing these more often.
Misfortunate‎ timing we had last time heh.
I think I made it half a map? and promptly decided I was too drunk for Osu.

On May 18 2014 22:06 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 06:30 OdinOfPergo wrote:
On May 18 2014 01:29 Cyro wrote:
Yea, lots of filthy tablet users though :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuPdsJaixMU

another aim derp like my suklaapallit run



Those short sliders..

Pls teach me :D

But nice play regardless. Pretty impressive even with the choke at the end.

P.S.
I'm just a scrub but lower dpi has made a world of difference.
Per previous.. anything past about 1k is just shooting yourself in the foot.
I run 600 atm on 1366x768 but I feel like between 600-850 is opt.
Could be wrong and I'm still feeling about in the water myself..

Fast edit;
To make this more relatable.. I came from the high end of sens.
When I first started playing osu I had it set up at like 2.2k
I couldn't pass most hards.
I'm sure it was not just my sens that is holding me back..
But changing my sens and general play style has at least let me get started in the right direction.



You mean like the jumpy short sliders? Just hold for as long as you can before making clean snap to the next one. edit: Oh, i see the crazy 8x small slider jump - i never had any trouble for that, they hold for two quarter-beats i think, you just have to get used to the time interval - best to hold them for too long, instead of not long enough, because as long as you reach the next one

600dpi on 768 height is equivelant to..~ 844dpi on 1080 height, so higher sens than me by a bit

When i make serious sens changes, like i did 500 to 750 - it really took like six hours of playing across 2-3 days for it to stop feeling like it was terrible - and like it was the dpi's fault, not mine, for being bad - until suddenly my aim was way better in some ways than it used to be


Mmk, I guess it's just a personal block then. I mostly just treat them as singles tbh. But I realize that's a terrible habit and I've been trying to break it recently..
I suppose just keep practicing heh.

Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
kill619
Profile Joined December 2011
United States212 Posts
May 19 2014 01:26 GMT
#5249
On May 18 2014 23:14 Xafnia wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 18 2014 16:23 kill619 wrote:
Why does my offset seem so off in this game? Like most times it feels fine on 0 but every once in a while it's extremely offbeat unless I set it to -60 or so. And no matter how correct is seems as soon as I get to a song with lots of streams I realize how wrong I was.


Many maps might need a ±5ms, the rare map might need ±10. More than that is pretty much guaranteed to have an online offset set already. And really, if you are getting 85% acc, the offset is pretty much completely irrelevant.


I can beat most, tho definitely not all, ar=9 songs with 85% or higher so I know I can't be that bad. My sense of rhythm can't be that inconsistent. It doesn't help that I alternate I suppose.Even if I complete the song with a good percentage, unless I've played it a bunch of times, it feels like I'm just sort of guessing when a super long stream shows up.


In most cases, 85% acc = basically mashing, and high ARs are a lot easier to read too. (Lower ARs give PP bonuses actually). Also, alternating everything is really hard accuracy wise. If you just mean alternating for streams, you need more practice.

Consider this; If you are alternating everything and you come upon a stream, you have to double your click speed on both fingers. If you are single tapping, you just weave your 2nd finger in between your 1st.

If you have trouble getting good acc alternating everything, I highly recommend switching to single tap.


It's just really frustrating to not be able to beat a song and get 75% or lower on no fail, and then get 95%+ if I play it in no click mode.


The way Relax mode works, it really doesn't mean all that much, even aim-wise.


am I just crazy/bad?


Yes. You'll get there eventually if you practice. What's your IGN?


What's IGN?
porkRaven
Profile Joined December 2010
United States953 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 02:11:07
May 19 2014 02:07 GMT
#5250
On May 19 2014 10:26 kill619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 23:14 Xafnia wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 18 2014 16:23 kill619 wrote:
Why does my offset seem so off in this game? Like most times it feels fine on 0 but every once in a while it's extremely offbeat unless I set it to -60 or so. And no matter how correct is seems as soon as I get to a song with lots of streams I realize how wrong I was.


Many maps might need a ±5ms, the rare map might need ±10. More than that is pretty much guaranteed to have an online offset set already. And really, if you are getting 85% acc, the offset is pretty much completely irrelevant.


I can beat most, tho definitely not all, ar=9 songs with 85% or higher so I know I can't be that bad. My sense of rhythm can't be that inconsistent. It doesn't help that I alternate I suppose.Even if I complete the song with a good percentage, unless I've played it a bunch of times, it feels like I'm just sort of guessing when a super long stream shows up.


In most cases, 85% acc = basically mashing, and high ARs are a lot easier to read too. (Lower ARs give PP bonuses actually). Also, alternating everything is really hard accuracy wise. If you just mean alternating for streams, you need more practice.

Consider this; If you are alternating everything and you come upon a stream, you have to double your click speed on both fingers. If you are single tapping, you just weave your 2nd finger in between your 1st.

If you have trouble getting good acc alternating everything, I highly recommend switching to single tap.


It's just really frustrating to not be able to beat a song and get 75% or lower on no fail, and then get 95%+ if I play it in no click mode.


The way Relax mode works, it really doesn't mean all that much, even aim-wise.


am I just crazy/bad?


Yes. You'll get there eventually if you practice. What's your IGN?


What's IGN?

in game name

Do any of you have suggestions or tips for playing marathon maps? The ones I am playing are roughly 15 minutes. At least one of them I am trying to DT so that takes it down a bit.
SHOUTOUTS TO Aylear!!!
kill619
Profile Joined December 2011
United States212 Posts
May 19 2014 02:12 GMT
#5251
Oh, same as my tl name

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/1408465
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
May 19 2014 13:11 GMT
#5252
Mmk, I guess it's just a personal block then. I mostly just treat them as singles tbh. But I realize that's a terrible habit and I've been trying to break it recently..
I suppose just keep practicing heh.


Yea, don't treat them as singles. If anything, treat them like two notes of a stream, using hitsounds on high volume helps a lot with them
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 13:18:57
May 19 2014 13:18 GMT
#5253
On May 19 2014 22:11 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Mmk, I guess it's just a personal block then. I mostly just treat them as singles tbh. But I realize that's a terrible habit and I've been trying to break it recently..
I suppose just keep practicing heh.


Yea, don't treat them as singles. If anything, treat them like two notes of a stream, using hitsounds on high volume helps a lot with them


Really?
I keep hitsounds rather low. Since I've been trying to not rely on them too much.
It just seemed to me they are meant to be guidelines, and you should try to follow song tempo over it.

I'll take your advice and try turning it up for a while and see how it helps.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 14:06:10
May 19 2014 14:05 GMT
#5254
If there's one thing you should absolutely rely on, it's hitsounds. This is assuming you know what the hitsounds are supposed to sound like, which is easy you just watch the top score replay.
501TFX
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 14:47:54
May 19 2014 14:32 GMT
#5255
On May 19 2014 23:05 scottyyy wrote:
If there's one thing you should absolutely rely on, it's hitsounds. This is assuming you know what the hitsounds are supposed to sound like, which is easy you just watch the top score replay.


That's how I do it too .. I don't actually listen to the music itself all too much (except it's really punchy or I like it a looot) and only listen to the beat of the hitsounds .. since often they have their own melody more or less anyways

Edit: While I still can't play anything slower than AR9 for the life of me .. god .. I'm not able to relearn it. I'm not even relying on the approach circles anymore (HD is most of the time no problem for me anymore) but the (for me seemingly) clusterfuck of most slower maps is screwing me over t.t /rant
Never let your dreams fade, run after them, run until you get them !
scottyyy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom796 Posts
May 19 2014 14:57 GMT
#5256
Also there should definitely be more TL lobbies
Kaldr
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia67 Posts
May 19 2014 16:40 GMT
#5257
Keen to play TL lobbies as well.

The sweet sweet +3pp
+ Show Spoiler +
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and that feel when you miss the last 2 notes... XD
+ Show Spoiler +
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
May 19 2014 18:01 GMT
#5258
V Is For [Insane] takes some serious skill or at least stamina, gj


As for hitsounds, you need to rely on them for some stuff. I found it far easier to play certain styles of maps with them extremely loud (stuff like Tik Tok!) and other styles with them quiet but audible (streams that are longer than 20 notes long and some other stuff)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
May 19 2014 19:47 GMT
#5259
Something you need to watch out for with hitsounds is that sometimes people unknowingly use hitsounds with a bit of pre-delay in the sample. This is kinda like having an incorrect offset, because if you keep the hitsound sounding perfectly on time with the music, you'll actually be off by a few ms.

I play mania with FL, and I'm using the same hitsounds xafina uses (he sent them to me a while back). With this setup I can actually determine when a map's offset is off by more than ~5 ms or so, just based on trying to keep my hitsounds as on time sounding as possible (and watching the accuracy meter thing).

You shouldn't need to rely on hitsounds to understand the rhythm in a map (if you do, chances are the map is bad [at least in terms of rhythm] or you have a truly godawful sense of rhythm), but they are really useful when you're playing at high accuracy.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-22 03:11:53
May 22 2014 02:47 GMT
#5260
This game is seriously going to kill me

Just picked up two scores:

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some of the faster scores (approach rate, mostly.. i can play 210-230bpm ar9 and not have issues unless it's an FC that's worth a massive amount) really mess me up though. I played @3:30am and my heartrate before was in the 60's. I spiked to ~140 at the end of the FC and was back at low 70's a couple minutes after. That sounds pretty ridiculous to me and i have some somewhat serious health concerns because of this. What kind of HR (edit: heart rate, not hard rock lol) is normal/dangerous? Anyone else get this?

From some quick reading it seems like 140 isn't super bad - but i feel kinda crazy (hands shaking too much to hit anything aside from basic patterns)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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