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On March 24 2011 06:35 Capiru wrote:
*Facepalm* oh god kwark, g.g.

You would not last a week with snakes would you?

On March 24 2011 07:57 Sard Caid wrote:
Comms were amazing during Kwark's escapade.

Good times, and yeah, things were looking a little dicey under that neut pressure. Was really hoping half way into it y'all kept shooting them rather than me. =)

On March 24 2011 14:03 Sard Caid wrote:
Well, its telling you about what experience would lead you towards - close range ammo out to 20km, barrage beyond that. Since your combat range is about 20km (neuts, point range), the only time you should be using barrage is when you're kiting a target or need to frag something at range (falcon, other ewar).

Possible problems with your EFT analysis would be MWDs on vs off or one guy with MWD on or off. I think you should also look at the effects of signature on that analysis.

Correct me if im wrong but while the dmg would go up it would be proportional to whats going on here. Since in this case sig only affects chance to hit for turrets.

On March 24 2011 15:33 Sard Caid wrote:
Well, I've flown the ship, and it's certainly not papery. Also, it handles like a cane with 2x nanos, which is very much nimble for a BS.

The graphs are giving the correct idea, as I stated.



I'm really not sure what you're asserting here, proportional to what? The sig radius analysis would give Fire a good idea on how he hits cruiser sized ships, the difference between when their MWD is on vs off, vs tackle, etc.

Neuts are definitely not just to counter tackle - their ability to break tanks safely at range makes them invaluable in virutally any fleet situation, especially in nano gangs where you don't have the raw punching power of slower, closer range dedicated compositions. And generally in any PvP situation you want to be close enough to targets to point them, thus 20-30km to targets, which also coincides with your neut range.

Again, the nano pest is about the same speed and agility wise as a nanoless cane, so ~1.3 km/s unheated, 1.8 km/s overheated speeds with similar agility. With the heavy neuts it's extremely viable.

On March 24 2011 17:53 abominare wrote:
The pest ideally stays closer to 24-28k (assuming the enemy hasnt been whittled down to just their battleships) to give it time to react (its still slower than most other guys in fleet) and can still over heat the point if need be) 24-28k is more of an awkward range for a lot of ships that the pest can dps on and its a much more conservative range to avoid being tackled. That being said the situation matters a lot based on what youre shooting at.

So I guess I agree if you need the pest to hold point 20k if youre picking ships on approach separated from their main gang try to stay out farther and overheat your point.

On March 24 2011 17:53 abominare wrote:


Without going into the complexities of the damage formula, if we assume that the ∆ from going from x to y sig results in a z difference of chance to hit we can assume (hopefully) that since other constants have remained the same the dps ratios between the two ammo types will remain relative to each other, ie lets say z difference in sig meant 10% less dps it would mean ammo A went from 300 to 270 and ammo B 150 to135 reflects that ammo B still does 50% the dps ammo A does.

However you think it would be apparent under the constraint that the target is flying straight at you (we say this because eve is very ocd about other trig factors i dont feel like going through) your large sig auto canons will hit things with a small sig like shit, on average atleast since its still technically chance based.

Well in terms of EHP we're talking about 64k ehp for the fit going around the hatchery with perf skills. which sure is more than a shield cane(17k more), but considering the kind of tank you can fit on other BS, or a drake for that matter it isnt exactly impressive. Perhaps we had different opinions on 'papery', further more the brunt of the ehp increase is actually from the armor/hull differences in terms of shield ehp theyre very similar Im, in more of a habit to avoid using armor and hull hp, bit of a chicken i suppose.

Ill probly get some flack for saying this but the point on the pest is more of a formality in my mind. You bring the pest because you want to bring more dps, no one is thinking to themselves I hope that pest goes and points something if youre in a fleet and theres no more bc,cruisers,frigs to point the things you've allowed to get close enough to kill the pest doesnt need to be there anymore anyways. Its there to wail on things and if something does manage to get close enough to the pest it can point them before they realize the folly of their ways. The pest ideally stays closer to 24-28k (assuming the enemy hasnt been whittled down to just their battleships) to give it time to react (its still slower than most other guys in fleet) and can still over heat the point if need be) 24-28k is more of an awkward range for a lot of ships that the pest can dps on and its a much more conservative range to avoid being tackled. That being said the situation matters a lot based on what youre shooting at.

So I guess I agree if you need the pest to hold point 20k if youre picking ships on approach separated from their main gang try to stay out farther and overheat your point.

On March 24 2011 18:10 pahndah wrote:


Pest is tanky in nature because of its engagement range. Only thing you have to worry about are Drakes which does comparatively low dps anyway and harbingers with scorch which are a myth, even though the damage they do is ridiculously good. Therefore the tankyness is quite alot compared to what EFT tells you. You basically get twice the firepower of a cane with extended range! Also you can one-two shot inties if you get lucky/they approach wrong. Just test it out on Sisi imo.

On March 24 2011 18:05 Firebolt145 wrote:

With links (I don't plan on flying pest without links) point range goes to 32km/40km overheated and is pretty much irrelevant. The whole thing I'm debating about is the safe range to hang about, and thus what ammo to use.

I suppose 'safe' range will depend on the pilot, hence my plans to start at 24km and slowly make my way closer to fights as I feel more confident.