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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
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Widdershins
51 Posts
On February 22 2011 03:06 Valenius wrote: You mean like a few days ago when we had the people available to deal with him, and he decided to play the 'redock, undock, redock, undock, redock' game? Instead of sitting there for 3 hours playing this stupid game we went with whoever wanted to into lowsec. Yeah, I can totally see how the 3 hours would have been better spent sat in Emol in the off chance he decided to act on something. I should clarify that by "had the people available to deal with him" you mean "had enough DPS and ECM on the undock to kill him even with logistics". If someone knew that kind of fleet was waiting for them outside a station in lowsec and came out to try to fight it anyway, you'd think they were an idiot. I fail to see how the same thing doesn't apply with war targets. On February 22 2011 03:48 DiracMonopole wrote: Widders, what you are doing is basically the equivalent of cheese in starcraft. Sure, it might be effective and useful, but its not interesting and not particularly difficult to execute, and catches mainly the unprepared. (Yes, you have other kills against us, but I have also seen games where Huk loses to 6 pools -that is why I said mainly the unprepared) It's not cheese if it consistently produces a strong outcome without stupid losses. On February 22 2011 03:54 Inzek wrote: double posting... triple posting.. is not ban worthy? I was just trying to keep up with the rate you guys had posted in the last 5 minutes without my responses getting buried because I made an edit after 4 more posts had come in. | ||
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On February 22 2011 03:48 Widdershins wrote: Correct me if I'm mistaken, but usually the purpose of a training corp is to make your members aware of the game's dangers before they actually die to them. This typically involves telling them before they ask you themselves. Reading is (apparently) a very good skill toi have. (Note the obvious part about ''id gladly tell a member how neutral probing works'' implying that we actually teach our players about it, which, as stated multiple times, you cant know since you are not in corp, and thus should not comment about it.) Now are you gonna pull the ''hey i didnt insult anyone'' card once again ? Currently wondering why Im still wasting my time with you... As for the ''cheese'' example stated earlier, I would mostly compare what widers is doing to the 5-rax-reaper pre-nerf | ||
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Widdershins
51 Posts
On February 22 2011 03:57 TurpinOS felt insulted You get insulted more easily than a radical feminist, man. | ||
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Viceorvirtue
United States273 Posts
Also, Im dissappointed in you widders, you never did bother trying to find me in lowsec. However when I go into hisec to attempt to flip a drake so I can test out a cyclone fit (and complately failing to get anything to agress me) it isnt very long before you show up in system. You dont even say hi when I try to talk to you in local. Your friend otoclinus (forgive me if i spelled his name incorrectly) was in rock lobsters for a whole minute yesterday when he failed to gank a missioner. Ofcourse he immediately left to an npc corp because god forbid he might put his ship at risk. You say you want good fights, the majority of what you do seems to be gank missioners. Not that I have a problem with that or anything, it just seems odd that your words and your actions dont exactly seem to be the same. Then again maybe thats what you consider to be a good fight, to each his own I guess. I dont mean to sound insulting or bad mannered but, and ill be honest with you here, I dont think you really know anything in regards to what goes on in the hatchery. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On February 22 2011 02:45 Widdershins wrote: Wow, really? Dude, ease off, you're being really harsh towards your corp man. I'm sure you at least try to teach your new players about neutral probing, so they should be aware of it. And you guys aren't real PVPers either? That's just downright mean. I'm sure a lot of your corp members would disagree, and I see you guys flying off to lowsec to go GCC and blow shit up most every day. and i'm confused, do i know nothing about how your corp does things, or do i know everything about it? because i'm hearing you say both. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7704571 Wait..youre right we dont teach new people anything. Only few of us actually participate in lowsec roams regularly. And you know which ship what member can fly and how many of us are online (watch list). That is all you need to decide whether you fight or not. What you have absolutely no clue about is how we operate and how we treat (new) members, which makes your opinion completely void. | ||
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On February 22 2011 04:02 Widdershins wrote: You get insulted more easily than a radical feminist, man. I think that closes the debate and shows the level of maturity and hindsight you are bringing to this community | ||
tofucake
Hyrule18979 Posts
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + From: C SEC Sent: 2011.02.21 19:46 To: PewPewLaser, you know whats the worst part of this all is? its that your no better then the 8 year old kids that play World of Warcraft, and thats sad. just somthing to think about when you die, have a nice day And the best of all, the rage quit. + Show Spoiler + there comes a time From: Vas Havar Sent: 2011.02.21 20:12 To: Tactical Industries, Well gang, As much as I enjoy the friendship that I have with many of you. . .. I cannot deal with the continued stress that I am feeling while being a part of this corporation. Repeated War Dec's, scams, personnel drama, corp theft, Russian POS's in our WH, etc. . . . . It's just not what I want to deal with when I come home from work and log in to play a "game" and relax and unwind. I will be leaving Tactical Industries. My plan is to join an NPC corp at this point and go back to what I enjoy most. . . . . Missions, Mining, Industry, and Market Trading  I will continue to stay in touch with you via Ventrilo. I believe we have 2 months left on the rental of that server, at which time James can decide what he wants to do with the Vent. Fly Safe, and try and find a way to have fun! Vas Havar | ||
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Widdershins
51 Posts
On February 22 2011 04:24 tofucake wrote: You've actually mostly dealt with the carebears. There have been a couple instances of the PvPers helped out, but for the most part they don't hang around. Yeah. This is partially because it's difficult to deal with the PVPers since they tend to stick together pretty solidly, which is difficult to work with, and quite admirable. Also I guess it's partially because there aren't really any systems nearby that aren't 0.8 or higher, and many of them have gone GCC far too much to safely come into systems with sec levels that high. Addendum: That's some pretty great rage there, Phayze. Classic "you are 12, live in your parent's basement, never had sex" etcetc rage. Some of my favorite rage that I've gotten recently: + Show Spoiler + Travelling through hisec to get somewhere while at war, I see a WT in local and manage to get the drop on him in an asteroid belt. Turned out it wasn't actually important to go fast because he was not even aware he was at war. Retriever down, pod pointed: [ 2011.01.12 02:15:29 ] Iam Widdershins > oh hi [ 2011.01.12 02:15:36 ] Lupis Canus > who the fuck are you and why the fuck you kill me [ 2011.01.12 02:15:44 ] Lupis Canus > this is high sec ?!?!? [ 2011.01.12 02:15:51 ] Iam Widdershins > how much isk will you offer to save your pod? [ 2011.01.12 02:16:02 ] Lupis Canus > non [ 2011.01.12 02:16:10 ] Iam Widdershins > you sure [ 2011.01.12 02:16:11 ] Lupis Canus > im not a valuable player [ 2011.01.12 02:16:15 ] Iam Widdershins > orly [ 2011.01.12 02:16:19 ] Lupis Canus > i just started 2 weeks ago [ 2011.01.12 02:16:55 ] Iam Widdershins > well [ 2011.01.12 02:17:00 ] Iam Widdershins > you're at war [ 2011.01.12 02:17:07 ] Iam Widdershins > congratulations [ 2011.01.12 02:17:07 ] Lupis Canus > ... thats the 3rd retreiver i lost... [ 2011.01.12 02:17:18 ] Lupis Canus > gad damn you ... [ 2011.01.12 02:17:23 ] Iam Widdershins > try not flying them when/where people want to kill you? [ 2011.01.12 02:17:33 ] Lupis Canus > i had to work hard to get that back ... [ 2011.01.12 02:17:40 ] Lupis Canus > 3rd fucking one [ 2011.01.12 02:17:44 ] Lupis Canus > ion a week [ 2011.01.12 02:18:01 ] Lupis Canus > I HOPE YOU DIE FROM CANCER [ 2011.01.12 02:18:05 ] Iam Widdershins > dunno how you lost the other ones [ 2011.01.12 02:18:10 ] Iam Widdershins > but it sounds like that could use some improvement [ 2011.01.12 02:34:22 ] Iam Widdershins > maybe next time fly a hulk, it looks a lot better on my kb o/ | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
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tHornstein
United Kingdom201 Posts
On February 22 2011 05:32 Arhkangel wrote: Man I don't blame him Phayze. It breaks your heart when you are CEO of a corp and it gets ransacked. I'd ransack YOUR corp if u get what im saying  | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19129 Posts
On February 22 2011 03:56 Widdershins wrote: It's not cheese if it consistently produces a strong outcome without stupid losses. Those thing have absolutely nothing to do with eachother. I posted here obviously aimed at you, I PMmed you and still you troll here. With such behavior after so many warnings I'm starting to understand your ingame playstyle on EVE. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34484 Posts
On February 22 2011 05:31 Widdershins wrote: Yeah. This is partially because it's difficult to deal with the PVPers since they tend to stick together pretty solidly, which is difficult to work with, and quite admirable. Also I guess it's partially because there aren't really any systems nearby that aren't 0.8 or higher, and many of them have gone GCC far too much to safely come into systems with sec levels that high. So I should do this more.  | ||
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Viceorvirtue
United States273 Posts
In response to widders about undocking into a fleet on a station in lowsec: Yes people will think you are an idiot. This is why if you live in lowsec you will have instaundocks. The idea is to undock, take stock of what is around you, and redock. This is to confirm shiptypes and what range from the station they are. Ideal situation is everything is at 0 so you can insta in a vagabond, warp back at range and proceed to lure out and pop tackle/drones at the edges of jam range. I use the vagabond as an example because I know you can fly it, its also easy to do with a zealot, cynabal, or almost any nano bc. I use a hurricane myself, and it works splendidly most of the time. Large numbers of drakes/recons make this tactic very difficult and in some cases impossible to pull off, but when you are successful you essentially make the entire opposing fleet look like complete idiots. | ||
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Widdershins
51 Posts
On February 22 2011 06:08 Viceorvirtue wrote: In response to widders about undocking into a fleet on a station in lowsec: Yes people will think you are an idiot. This is why if you live in lowsec you will have instaundocks. The idea is to undock, take stock of what is around you, and redock. This is to confirm shiptypes and what range from the station they are. Ideal situation is everything is at 0 so you can insta in a vagabond, warp back at range and proceed to lure out and pop tackle/drones at the edges of jam range. I use the vagabond as an example because I know you can fly it, its also easy to do with a zealot, cynabal, or almost any nano bc. I use a hurricane myself, and it works splendidly most of the time. Large numbers of drakes/recons make this tactic very difficult and in some cases impossible to pull off, but when you are successful you essentially make the entire opposing fleet look like complete idiots. Yeah, I know these tactics and have used them countless times. In this particular instance, I had nothing in particular to do outside the system, nor anything that could be reasonably accomplished outside the station, so I merely undocked a couple times to feel the air and judge 9pool's reactions. As you mention, there were relatively large numbers of ships that would make kiting/pulling tacklers impractical and dangerous, and I kept tabs on everything outside the station throughout the event. I was ready and able to employ a variety of tactics, but none of them were feasible with the strong fleet that was fielded against me at the time. So, cheers to 9pool; if they were able to do this consistently, they would have a much easier time of the war. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34484 Posts
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Widdershins
51 Posts
On February 22 2011 04:02 Viceorvirtue wrote: Thats over 150mil in arb launchers alone, definitely an impressive haul. Too bad you didnt have access to the corp wallet or im sure you could have got quite a bit more. Also, Im dissappointed in you widders, you never did bother trying to find me in lowsec. However when I go into hisec to attempt to flip a drake so I can test out a cyclone fit (and complately failing to get anything to agress me) it isnt very long before you show up in system. You dont even say hi when I try to talk to you in local. Your friend otoclinus (forgive me if i spelled his name incorrectly) was in rock lobsters for a whole minute yesterday when he failed to gank a missioner. Ofcourse he immediately left to an npc corp because god forbid he might put his ship at risk. You say you want good fights, the majority of what you do seems to be gank missioners. Not that I have a problem with that or anything, it just seems odd that your words and your actions dont exactly seem to be the same. Then again maybe thats what you consider to be a good fight, to each his own I guess. I dont mean to sound insulting or bad mannered but, and ill be honest with you here, I dont think you really know anything in regards to what goes on in the hatchery. Ah, I assumed you were ratting up your security status. Generally, battlecruisers (or any other ship type really) are gonna be extremely hesitant to aggress thieves in ships their own size; it typically works far better if your ship looks small, innocent, nooby, and inferior -- even if this is only by physical appearance. Having a ship model with a smaller profile than theirs works wonders. (Then again, you can always find some idiot who'll shoot anything :D) Not really sure what I'd do in lowsec trying to hunt you guys. It's a big area, there's a lot of unrelated action happening, and there was plenty of other stuff going on at the time. I could go out there just to find that you've roamed all the way out to nullsec, and where would that leave me. As for talking in local, I didn't notice until after it was too late really. A man's gotta look at other stuff sometimes Killing mission runners is profitable, occasionally entertaining, usually satisfying, and tends to provoke fights and reactions. Plus, if I were to just let everyone mission when they wanted to, who would be left to fight? Wars in EVE are a challenge to both sides, to keep their members defended and working together while doing as much damage as possible to the other side. It's a challenge to the leadership, a challenge to the individual pilots, and many corporations cannot stand up to it. The mark of a strong corporation is one that can deal with a war without breaking stride or falling apart. It's a game, and it's a cooperative one: with enough teamwork and experience, you can do nearly anything. Isn't it fun? I look forward to continue playing with you. Addendum: On February 22 2011 06:46 Firebolt145 wrote: Unfortunately camping 1 guy for hours and hours with a fleet in hopes that he isn't just afk and that we're actually limiting his play isn't really most people's idea of fun. :/ Fortunately, when you only need to deal with a small number of guys, it's nowhere near as bad as it is when there are more significant numbers. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule18979 Posts
We LIKE engaging larger numbers. But we also don't use 4 reps for each combat ship. Not really sure how being invincible is fun for you. | ||
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