O shit that was you with Mandini shootmeup!? My bad dude, I was so we rushed I didn't even ask your name or if you were on TL... Sry for super rudeness buddy :\ Was a pleasure running into you guys nonetheless :D
I didn't get a chance to tell you guys but about 6 weeks ago I signed up with heavy elements through kwark and two days later I spilled coffee on my tower I should have it fixed In about a week and I'd love to play with you guys when its ready.
Im sure this is old news to everyone but me but since I just heard about it I'm gonna say it anyway, congratulations on getting married kwark :D
On July 24 2014 12:29 ghost_403 wrote: Is there any place to get news about eve...
No. What's the motivation for a neutral-party source of news in EVE? All the big places you can get "news" are just propaganda feeds associated with some large entity. All the EVE blogs are either there for self promotion, teaching/instruction, or analysis of extremely specific niche issues done out of personal interest. There's plenty of room for a news source in EVE. There are ways to get the ears of multiple entities telling their multiple sides of stories. But there is no motivation to do that kind of work.
On July 24 2014 10:25 PassiveAce wrote: O shit that was you with Mandini shootmeup!? My bad dude, I was so we rushed I didn't even ask your name or if you were on TL... Sry for super rudeness buddy :\ Was a pleasure running into you guys nonetheless :D
I didn't get a chance to tell you guys but about 6 weeks ago I signed up with heavy elements through kwark and two days later I spilled coffee on my tower I should have it fixed In about a week and I'd love to play with you guys when its ready.
Im sure this is old news to everyone but me but since I just heard about it I'm gonna say it anyway, congratulations on getting married kwark :D
Don't worry about it, just giving you some grief. It was nice meeting you too; it was too bad we had to go and couldn't talk very much.
On July 24 2014 07:02 Mandini wrote: (It wasn't many at all)
You were missing last hits with Kunkka! I was ashamed.
Last hitting is hard when you're trying to shame people. I queued a match yesterday with some pandemic legion guys and I'm pretty sure the only reason we won is because they spent the entire game berating the other team and broke their spirit.
So I am coming back to Eve and I've decided to finance a venture and get a fresh start. I am out of the character trading loop, so I need some price checks:
WIll also take bids if anyone is interested. 1st and third I'd like to liquidate relatively quickly, I am considering keeping the 2nd, but would like to know my options.
Edit: These all have 30 days on them as well, so any recommendations for training in the interim before sale would also be cool.
I honestly think that a lot of hatchery dudes miss out on how much more fun blob fights are in eve when you have a narrative mixed in like fighting for sov or going full grrrr goons. I was there for that fight, flying ewar and dodging bombs (and getting hit by a bunch of things for damping their fc) and it was actually a ton of fun. It doesn't fit with the bw mentality that most of us have in our background, but eve can give you that them vs us feeling that your normally only got from arguing over best kt in bw. (skt 4 lyf) I'm not telling you to run off and join n3/cfc/hero/pasta's angels legion, but I'm hoping vov will read this and stop shitting on me for getting into null.
On July 26 2014 16:00 Jaaaaasper wrote: I honestly think that a lot of hatchery dudes miss out on how much more fun blob fights are in eve when you have a narrative mixed in like fighting for sov or going full grrrr goons. I was there for that fight, flying ewar and dodging bombs (and getting hit by a bunch of things for damping their fc) and it was actually a ton of fun. It doesn't fit with the bw mentality that most of us have in our background, but eve can give you that them vs us feeling that your normally only got from arguing over best kt in bw. (skt 4 lyf) I'm not telling you to run off and join n3/cfc/hero/pasta's angels legion, but I'm hoping vov will read this and stop shitting on me for getting into null.
I was in a handful of large blocs myself, though probably for different reasons than you. I participated in several fleet fights and read lots of juicy shit-talking and other rara dialogue on forums. It's unavoidable to arrive at the perspective that I think most Hatchery guys share about null politics. You're really just getting caught up in maintaining some asshole's ego. Doesn't matter how many rousing/hilarious speeches your FCs give. Doesn't matter what kind of history your group has with your (current) enemy. Doesn't matter how hard you high-five people after your side wins. There is one asshole who reaps the benefits of all your effort and who is the genesis of all your actions. He's taxing you for the benefit of getting a propaganda subscription.
It may not feel like it right now. It may not feel like it next week. It will go a whole lot faster if you see this person the way they really are (hard to do if you're just a line-member type, admittedly). If you catch them backstage and see what a prick they are and how self-involved they are in the story of their own godhood, that should shake the cravings you are experiencing for the story you're feeding yourself. The big null blocs are all alike and are run by what appear to be clones of the same personality.
That's fundamentally the issue with membership in nullsec. Working for someone else's gain (and not even real gain... 99% of the time just ego) is not appealing. When you're a cog in a machine, there's nowhere to go, no gains to be had. You'll be promoted to Cog We Really Like if you're good at playing politics. You'll be promoted (but really demoted) to Cog That Does Tons of Bitchwork if you demonstrate that you're willing to put in lots of hours to advance your group.
To me personally, it's weird that some people really latch onto this stuff. The real life example is you put in the work at your company to get a huge project done, and everyone gives everyone else pats on the back while the CEO goes off and pockets a bonus larger than his employees' lifetime wages. For some people, that sense of belonging or community or teamwork is (imo) way out of wack, but I think most people are disgusted by what I just described.
If you've ever tasted real victory with Hatchery, then you will probably come to these conclusions yourself as the "victories" you'll experience with that big group will start to feel very hollow. Starting your own fights for your own reasons on your own time and earning the wins yourself is just too satisfying.
On July 27 2014 00:43 Ramong wrote: I was under the impression that the Hatchery was no more and that most people in this thread are in a variety of different corps.
The current nomenclature still refers to people that used to be in Hatchery as Hatchery.
If you want to have actual meaningful battles over territory go take over a wormhole. Nullsec space isn't profitable to hold for the individual, so much so that you're encouraged not to pve or undock when there's someone else in system. Blob fights boil down to only a handful of people needing to know anything about eve and nearly everyone else just having to be able to anchor up and fallow broadcasts.
As far as the us vs them mentality I think that's detrimental to actually improving at the game. For example, our deployment to Stain wasn't 'Hatchery vs Solar', it was just us completely dominating the area and killing everyone who didn't know how to do anything beyond pve and dock/log off (which turned out to be everyone else in the area...go figure). If I had a choice between having a big blob fight and having a impromptu fight against a bunch of mjd happy blops I'm always going to fight the blops because that's far more engaging and fun that what's ultimately going to result in a structure grind in tidi.
On July 27 2014 12:08 hagon wrote: you seem to be implying that the only roles available are those of drones
things i care about in eve terms
1. political influence of my group within my organisation
2. exerting influence on the direction of the games development
3. political position of my organisation vs. others
10. flying in space
So
a) not playing the game b) having an effect on the game you're not playing c) not playing the game ... z) playing the game
in that order.
You could definitely have a point with 2), but 1) and 3) are not relevant in the way that you're presenting them because ultimately there is no element of democracy or other representative styles of government within large nullsec entities. There is literally A Guy at the top and everything flows down from that guy. There may be 4 Guys Below Him managing things he doesn't care about whose opinions you could influence, but they are not there to serve you - they are there to serve a) A Guy and b) themselves insofar as it doesn't conflict with a). You're selling yourself a narrative that I'm not sure you could logically convince yourself could actually take place with the systems of interaction available between the different entities in the game.
Even more specifically than that, let's take just 1). "Political influence of my group within my organization." So not your own political influence? The influence of your group? Do you all get together and vote or are you just advisors to A Subguy? Probably the latter. Why base your "life" in EVE around A Subguy? It's a microcosm of the larger "issue", although if you're all about the teamwork and cooperation etc. aspect then I can see that being a worthwhile effort on your part.
At its most basic, it's about whether you're OK with working someone else's goals or whether you prefer to work your own goals for your own gain. Nullsec invariably leads to the former unless you're A Guy at the top.
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Fundamentally, Hatchery guys were in Hatchery and stayed in Hatchery because they value the game itself rather than the office politics. So probably their list is exactly the inverse of yours. I've dabbled a bit in the office politics of EVE and, more than that, I've seen sooo much of it. I find Crusader Kings 2 more interesting, personally. That's probably the fundamental point of disagreement between these two ways of thinking.
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