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Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
May 20 2014 19:24 GMT
#36421
I hope you have a TL hoodie or shirt to represent!
0m3ga
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Serbia322 Posts
May 20 2014 19:35 GMT
#36422
Chessur plz dont kill rise on TV yo
Don't you ever gf me back -Chessur
Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
May 20 2014 20:17 GMT
#36423
On May 21 2014 04:22 DiracMonopole wrote:
The nightmare does not have HPL tracking


Yes, the sig resolution is pretty bad. However- in radians / sec I can get the nightmare BS guns to track at 0.08 With scorch, and 0.11 With close range ammo. The base tracking for a zealot is 0.08 (Scorch) So it is pretty good, if I do say so myself.

But you are right, it doesn't have as good of tracking as the zeal, but those numbers on a BS are really scary. Especially when you consider the 45+ optimal.
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3373 Posts
May 20 2014 20:23 GMT
#36424
On May 21 2014 04:35 0m3ga wrote:
Chessur plz dont kill rise on TV yo

Exactly, they won't listen to your demands if you've already killed the hostage.
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
May 20 2014 21:24 GMT
#36425
On May 21 2014 05:23 Body_Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 04:35 0m3ga wrote:
Chessur plz dont kill rise on TV yo

Exactly, they won't listen to your demands if you've already killed the hostage.


But you can always remove extremities without killing him, if you're careful that is
Galdo
Profile Joined January 2012
United States338 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-20 21:57:46
May 20 2014 21:56 GMT
#36426
nvm, upon reconsideration my joke isn't funny, and is instead stupid.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44401 Posts
May 21 2014 00:32 GMT
#36427
NC. just tried to kill VoV and I with a crow/razu/blops bs jumping in. Unfortunately they lit the cyno while not in scram range of VoV and therefore didn't kill anything and got nuked but VoV dropped the ball on neuting them out before the mjd.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
May 21 2014 00:44 GMT
#36428
well kind of glad I was logged out for that, other wise I woulda gotten blapped in frustration after they missed you.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
May 21 2014 00:52 GMT
#36429
Go knock them dead Chessur!
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
May 21 2014 01:32 GMT
#36430
On May 21 2014 05:17 Ramiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 04:22 DiracMonopole wrote:
The nightmare does not have HPL tracking


Yes, the sig resolution is pretty bad. However- in radians / sec I can get the nightmare BS guns to track at 0.08 With scorch, and 0.11 With close range ammo. The base tracking for a zealot is 0.08 (Scorch) So it is pretty good, if I do say so myself.

But you are right, it doesn't have as good of tracking as the zeal, but those numbers on a BS are really scary. Especially when you consider the 45+ optimal.


To find actual tracking, divide large gun tracking by 400 and medium gun tracking by 125
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3632 Posts
May 21 2014 08:13 GMT
#36431
if you make it, try not to challenge crosi wesdo to fight you irl on air
?
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3632 Posts
May 21 2014 08:48 GMT
#36432


31:20, possibly one of the most perfectly executed fights I've ever seen in a video
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Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
May 21 2014 10:09 GMT
#36433
very nice video. would be great if he made an overview in one of the corners with the ships he's engaging and what he killed. similar to what I beast did in his videos. This would make it easier for the viewer to see what's going on without having to stare at his overview the whole time.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
May 21 2014 10:45 GMT
#36434
On May 21 2014 19:09 Skilledblob wrote:
very nice video. would be great if he made an overview in one of the corners with the ships he's engaging and what he killed. similar to what I beast did in his videos. This would make it easier for the viewer to see what's going on without having to stare at his overview the whole time.

Isn't staring at the overview what 99% of people in EVE do in PvP anyway?
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Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
May 21 2014 10:52 GMT
#36435
yea while that might be true, a PvP video does not have to be that way.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
May 21 2014 18:21 GMT
#36436
So it looks like hero is going to accidentally CVA's sov. Now that is a structure grind I can get behind.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3373 Posts
May 21 2014 19:43 GMT
#36437
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4605252
+ Show Spoiler +
Hey everyone. As we announced at the Fanfest keynote, we are rebalancing Freighters and Jump Freighters in the Kronos release. The biggest change in this rebalance is the addition of customizability to a class that has previously been entirely static.
We originally approached this through rig slots, but a few valid concerns were raised in this thread and we've made some significant adjustments to the plan to address them. The CSM has been a very significant help in this process.

The most significant issues raised in the thread are:

The permanence of customizability that relies completely on rigs. As the only classes to have rig slots alone with no fitting slots, Freighters and Jump Freighters would have allowed customization towards a player's most common use cases, but would still lack the very important ability to adjust fittings in response to changing needs and environments.
The relative lack of interesting choices for Jump Freighter pilots. Due to the very unique situation of Jump Freighters, they did not receive very significant benefits from any rigs other than cargohold optimization. This is partially an issue with the lack of gameplay around JF use and their near complete safety when used optimally, but it also reflected a lack of good options.


To deal with the first issue, we are making the significant change of providing the goal of customizability through low slots rather than rig slots. Keeping this path balanced requires a few extra tricks but we believe that it will provide a more interesting set of gameplay choices for freighter pilots to make on an everyday basis.
All Freighters and Jump Freighters will receive 3 low slots, and not receive any rig slots. They will have very restrictive powergrid and cpu totals, and a special role bonus that allows the use of Reinforced Bulkhead modules.

In Kronos we are also adding a new set of low-slot warp speed enhancing modules that can be obtained through low-sec exploration. These modules will increase warp speed by a flat addition of 0.2, 0.25 or 0.3 au/s each. We expect that these will be popular modules for use on Freighters.

To help address the lack of interesting options for Jump Freighters, we are planning to introduce a set of jump fuel conservation modules in the Crius release in July. These modules will not be available in Kronos.

So we expect that most Freighter and Jump Freighter pilots will use their three low slots to mix and match the following modules to meet their needs:

Expanded Cargoholds
Reinforced Bulkheads
Hyperspatial Accelerators (warp speed modules)
Inertia Stabilizers
Overdrive Injector Systems
(For certain armor tanking fits) Adaptive Nano Platings
(For Jump Freighters) Capacitor Power Relays
(For Jump Freighters after the Crius release) Jump Fuel Conservation Modules



The base cargo capacity of Freighters is being decreased so that a set of three Tech Two Expanded Cargoholds adds 21-25% cargo above the previous maximum values. For Jump Freighters, three T2 Expanders will increase cargo capacity by 1-2%.
This means that Freighters can get significantly higher maximum capacity than before using modules, and we're increasing the volume of packaged capital ships (to 1.3 million m3) and unpackaged station containers (to 2 million m3) to compensate.

The base EHP of all Freighters and Jump Freighters is being increased (since Expanded Cargoholds affect freighter hp more than cargo rigs do) and more emphasis is being placed on armor and shield than before (although all Freighters still gain the majority of their hitpoints from hull).
Note the change in the Jump Freighter HP bonus, which now only applies to their main tank and hull. The large increase in JF base HP and resist more than make up for the bonus change and all JFs have more base EHP than before.

PROVIDENCE

Amarr Freighter Bonus per level:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Maximum Velocity

Role Bonus:
100% reduction in CPU requirements for Reinforced Bulkheads

Slot layout: 0H, 0M, 3(+3)L;
Fittings: 3(+2) PWG, 1 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 10000(+5000) / 46000(+22000) / 100000(-12500)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time / warp speed): 70 / 0.0625 / 900,000,000 / 77.98s / 1.37
Cargo Capacity: 435000(-300000)m3


CHARON

Caldari Freighter Bonus per level:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Maximum Velocity

Role Bonus:
100% reduction in CPU requirements for Reinforced Bulkheads

Slot layout: 0H, 0M, 3(+3)L;
Fittings: 3(+2) PWG, 1 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 50000(+44000) / 15000(-5000) / 77500(-28750)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time / warp speed): 60 / 0.0625 / 960,000,000 / 83.18s / 1.37
Cargo Capacity: 465000(-320000)m3


OBELISK

Gallente Freighter Bonus per level:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Maximum Velocity

Role Bonus:
100% reduction in CPU requirements for Reinforced Bulkheads

Slot layout: 0H, 0M, 3(+3)L;
Fittings: 3(+2) PWG, 1 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 14000(+10687) / 40000(+17500) / 110000(-10000)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time / warp speed): 65 / 0.0625 / 940,000,000 / 81.44s / 1.37
Cargo Capacity: 440000(-310000)m3


FENRIR

Minmatar Freighter Bonus per level:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Maximum Velocity

Role Bonus:
100% reduction in CPU requirements for Reinforced Bulkheads

Slot layout: 0H, 0M, 3(+3)L;
Fittings: 3(+2) PWG, 1 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 48000(+42375) / 22000(+750) / 65000(-35000)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time / warp speed): 80 / 0.0625 / 820,000,000 / 71.05s / 1.37
Cargo Capacity: 435000(-285000)m3


ARK

Amarr Freighter Bonus per level:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Agility

Jump Freighters Bonus per level:
+10% to armor and hull hitpoints
-10% jump fuel requirements

Role Bonus:
100% reduction in CPU requirements for Reinforced Bulkheads

Slot layout: 0H, 0M, 3(+3)L;
Fittings: 3(+2) PWG, 5(+4) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 12000(+6000) / 63600(+26400) / 96000(-15000)
Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 47.5(+7.5) / 62.5(+12.5)
Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 34.375(+9.375) / 40(+20)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time / warp speed): 84 / 0.055(+0.005) / 900,000,000 / 68.62(+6.24)s / 1.5
Signature Radius: 2800(-12)
Cargo Capacity: 135000(-140625)m3


RHEA

Caldari Freighter Bonus per level:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Agility

Jump Freighters Bonus per level:
+10% to shield and hull hitpoints
-10% jump fuel requirements

Role Bonus:
100% reduction in CPU requirements for Reinforced Bulkheads

Slot layout: 0H, 0M, 3(+3)L;
Fittings: 3(+2) PWG, 5(+4) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 60000(+52800) / 18000(-6000) / 93000(-34500)
Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 40(+20) / 47.5(+7.5) / 50
Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 58.75(+13.75) / 34.375(+9.375) / 10
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time / warp speed): 72 / 0.055(+0.005) / 960,000,000 / 73.20(+6.66)s / 1.5
Signature Radius: 2930(-2)
Cargo Capacity: 144000(-150375)m3


ANSHAR

Gallente Freighter Bonus per level:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Agility

Jump Freighters Bonus per level:
+10% to armor and hull hitpoints
-10% jump fuel requirements

Role Bonus:
100% reduction in CPU requirements for Reinforced Bulkheads

Slot layout: 0H, 0M, 3(+3)L;
Fittings: 3(+2) PWG, 5(+4) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 16800(+10424.4) / 48000(+21000) / 132000(-12000)
Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 30(+10) / 55(+15) / 50
Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 43.125(+8.125) / 51.25(+16.25) / 10
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time / warp speed): 78 / 0.055(+0.005) / 940,000,000 / 71.67(+6.51)s / 1.5
Signature Radius: 2880(-4)
Cargo Capacity: 137500(-143750) m3


NOMAD

Minmatar Freighter Bonus per level:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Agility

Jump Freighters Bonus per level:
+10% to shield and hull hitpoints
-10% jump fuel requirements

Role Bonus:
100% reduction in CPU requirements for Reinforced Bulkheads

Slot layout: 0H, 0M, 3(+3)L;
Fittings: 3(+2) PWG, 5(+4) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 57600(+50850) / 26400(+900) / 78000(-42000)
Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 25(+25) / 30(+10) / 40 / 50
Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 70(+10) / 43.125(+8.125) / 25 / 10
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time / warp speed): 96 / 0.055(+0.005) / 820,000,000 / 62.52(+5.68)s / 1.5
Signature Radius: 2700(-8)
Cargo Capacity: 132000(-138000)m3

TL;DR

All EHP of freighters is going up, confirm CCP is against suicide ganking

Example Providence:
Total percentage change to the Providence is as follows
+100% shields
+91.667% armor
-11.111% structure
-40.816% cargo capacity

Total EHP change +15.28%

Turns out Reinforced Bulkheads give a better EHP increase here than Adaptive Nano Plating even though hull is has no resistances. Can’t figure a way to fit a Damage Control, slight possibility with a convoluted combination of implants, co-proc’s and micro aux cores (probably not, only so many ways to increase 3 CPU by percentage alone). Thought CCP should have been able to give more flavor into the otherwise bland shitty instant oatmeal world of freighters, but we all know how that always turns out.

Someone should run the full math on all of these changes to see if they find something borderline mentally deficient (other than the fact that they did it).
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
May 21 2014 22:00 GMT
#36438
Today was an interesting day.
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Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
May 21 2014 23:01 GMT
#36439
On May 22 2014 07:00 Firebolt145 wrote:
Today was an interesting day.


do tell
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44401 Posts
May 22 2014 00:45 GMT
#36440
I call upon all those who got last hits today to post them. I'll start.
http://hq.c0ven.pl/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=260510
http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=60859
http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=60865
http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=60862
http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=60866
http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=60867
http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=60868
http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=60869

Now I got a tiny minority of our kills today due to solar being blue so Michael, Chessur, VoV and firblat, you have much to post.
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