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Omigawa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1556 Posts
January 31 2014 07:25 GMT
#35141
Thought he quit already?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43212 Posts
January 31 2014 13:39 GMT
#35142
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4176863#post4176863

like this
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jones Hawkwood
Profile Joined September 2013
Belgium54 Posts
January 31 2014 14:04 GMT
#35143
I'll second Kwark's motion, Eve has become a bore. It's a circljerk where line members make sure they are in the right coalition, pat themselves on the back when they did something like take over some virtual space while their leaders endulge in their near-divine status.

Still, it's that hierachical order which offers most here the playgrounds for their infinite wealth and skill. Did we ever expect Eve not to be a reflection of current societal structures? Look at Eve China, it reflects theirs.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43212 Posts
January 31 2014 14:12 GMT
#35144
This demands vocal support.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jones Hawkwood
Profile Joined September 2013
Belgium54 Posts
January 31 2014 14:16 GMT
#35145
I shall put the 'Ctrl' and 'V' button of my keyboard to work.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
January 31 2014 15:00 GMT
#35146
Jones can you elaborate on that comment about the chinese server? Would really like to know how they differ.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19151 Posts
January 31 2014 15:14 GMT
#35147
China has its own server because China. It's called Serenity. The rest of the world uses Tranquility. (There are also testing/development servers called Singularity [Sisi], Buckingham [Bucky], and Duality). Tranquility, until now, has been chaotic and pretty much always at war (not anymore though because CFC won EVE). There have always been dozens of large alliances fighting for space.

On Serenity, there are only 3 or 4 large alliances, and they control all of null. They also are all in NAPs. Serenity null is big and boring and empty and peaceful.
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Jones Hawkwood
Profile Joined September 2013
Belgium54 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-31 15:33:48
January 31 2014 15:32 GMT
#35148
I'd be happy to.

There have been several articles that featured over at Mittens site that talk about the Chinese server as a reflection of the Chinese communist mentality. For years The Chinese server saw a very limited amount of alliances (five or so) dominate the entirety of null-sec. And by alliances, I mean alliances. I'm not talking about the current Western meta of Eve where you have an intricate web of alliances that form coalitions. I'm talking 5 alliances, all of null-sec.

Moreover, the alliances have bilateral agreements which stipulate the boudaries of agression. This in turn makes the entirity of null-sec into a 'blue zone'. They still fight, if I can recall correctly but there are clear assurances of sov.
Serenity simple does not feature alliances and coalitions going to war over girlfriends being called fat, or big egos who think they are the space king. It is a straight up reflection of their society.

The articles are somewhat outdated, but I'll link them here. It's quite fascinating how many times you see current societal values reflected in virtual worlds. I say virtual, but what does that even mean? The construct of our sovereign nations is made up of 'virtual' agreements as well and the idea of property is a physical construct in the West rather than a mental one.

Rousseau said it most eloquently when he said: The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said "This is mine," and found people naive enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society.
The chinese server is their interpretation of that idea. Tranquility is ours.

Article 1: http://themittani.com/features/new-eden-behind-great-firewall
Article 2: http://themittani.com/features/more-new-eden-behind-great-firewall
Article 3: http://themittani.com/features/eve-behind-great-firewall-inside-null-bloc

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incifan
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany138 Posts
January 31 2014 16:17 GMT
#35149
While the initial rush for space and market share would certainly be fun, how would a reset help in the long run?
Don't get me wrong, I find the idea hilarious and wouldn't mind it.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43212 Posts
January 31 2014 16:21 GMT
#35150
Nothing would be entrenched, there would be no status quo to overcome to do anything. You could see whole new developments such as the takeoff of large trade/industry based corporations or whatever. Most of eve does what it does because it does, a reset would see a new evolution taking place in eve as it is today rather than just building upon what eve as it was previously left behind. I'd also see most basic 1x skills taken out or starting at V, just because.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 31 2014 16:26 GMT
#35151
I don't think that there would be a big paradigm shift. People wouldn't forget what they already know.
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-31 17:04:32
January 31 2014 17:00 GMT
#35152
thanks for those links Jones, really interesting how the chinese server differs from ours.

On February 01 2014 01:26 Antoine wrote:
I don't think that there would be a big paradigm shift. People wouldn't forget what they already know.


maybe they would not but it would open up the sov warfare to new players. at the moment null sec is pretty much on lockdown by CFC, RUS, PL and N3. With a server reset it would give the chance for new alliances to form and carve out space for themselves.

for me as a not that old player of EvE ( almost a year now) it would be much more exciting to witness the mad rush for territory and the fights that would happen in a new world.
hagon
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom556 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-31 17:39:16
January 31 2014 17:39 GMT
#35153
On February 01 2014 02:00 Skilledblob wrote:
With a server reset it would give the chance for new alliances to form and carve out space for themselves..


it really wouldn't. anyway, the same thing has been said before many many times before, yet here we are still fighting. its just the side that works harder wins
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
January 31 2014 20:54 GMT
#35154
np.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1wnu56/discussion_the_subject_of_change_volatility/

meh
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19151 Posts
January 31 2014 22:04 GMT
#35155
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1woh5g/eve_sovereignty_map_2013/
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 31 2014 22:12 GMT
#35156
On February 01 2014 07:04 tofucake wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1woh5g/eve_sovereignty_map_2013/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1u0fdd/animated_new_eden_sovereignty_map_for_2013/
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19151 Posts
January 31 2014 22:14 GMT
#35157
whatever mines cooler
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
January 31 2014 23:35 GMT
#35158
On February 01 2014 01:21 KwarK wrote:
Nothing would be entrenched, there would be no status quo to overcome to do anything. You could see whole new developments such as the takeoff of large trade/industry based corporations or whatever. Most of eve does what it does because it does, a reset would see a new evolution taking place in eve as it is today rather than just building upon what eve as it was previously left behind. I'd also see most basic 1x skills taken out or starting at V, just because.


I think you're missing the biggest part of the success of large scale coalitions - they are strongly organized outside of the game. It's not the ISK (although that helps), the infrastructure (although that helps), it's the large central organization of people that can send out a text and have 5k people login, fleet up, and move quickly.

Reset the server, and those same 5k people will still play together, act in concert, and generally move as blocks. It's what makes Goonswarm such a PITA in all the games they play.

You could say its Something Awful.

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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43212 Posts
February 01 2014 01:34 GMT
#35159
Me looking at an FA battle report

(1:27:41 AM) kwark_uk: if this guy asks for SRP
(1:27:42 AM) kwark_uk: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21666770
(1:27:51 AM) kwark_uk: do him a favour, take him out back and unload a shotgun into him
(1:27:59 AM) kwark_uk: it's what God would want
(1:28:04 AM) kwark_uk: also if he doesn't ask for SRP
(1:28:06 AM) kwark_uk: still do that
(1:28:39 AM) kwark_uk: wtf is this
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21667204
(1:29:04 AM) kwark_uk: ruppy is a perfect 1600 plate ship with dual web for slaughtering frigs with 220mm autos and he goes for that failfit in a shield fleet
(1:29:34 AM) kwark_uk: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21667062
I heard slots were overrated
(1:30:00 AM) kwark_uk: seriously, how hard is "put modules in slots"
(1:30:22 AM) kwark_uk: Li3 but seriously, oh my fucking God what the fuck happened here
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21666879
(1:30:44 AM) kwark_uk: empty mids, t2 mwd, 50mm plate and twin prop rigs with no dcu
(1:31:08 AM) kwark_uk: and I thought the "I'm just gonna leave slots empty" ranis was bad
(1:31:30 AM) kwark_uk: and that plate is t2, it didn't randomly drop, he went out and actually bought one of those for his heretic
(1:32:00 AM) kwark_uk: Li3 had a good run but I think it's time to end that particular experiment
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
0m3ga
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Serbia322 Posts
February 01 2014 05:22 GMT
#35160
On February 01 2014 10:34 KwarK wrote:
Me looking at an FA battle report

(1:27:41 AM) kwark_uk: if this guy asks for SRP
(1:27:42 AM) kwark_uk: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21666770
(1:27:51 AM) kwark_uk: do him a favour, take him out back and unload a shotgun into him
(1:27:59 AM) kwark_uk: it's what God would want
(1:28:04 AM) kwark_uk: also if he doesn't ask for SRP
(1:28:06 AM) kwark_uk: still do that
(1:28:39 AM) kwark_uk: wtf is this
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21667204
(1:29:04 AM) kwark_uk: ruppy is a perfect 1600 plate ship with dual web for slaughtering frigs with 220mm autos and he goes for that failfit in a shield fleet
(1:29:34 AM) kwark_uk: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21667062
I heard slots were overrated
(1:30:00 AM) kwark_uk: seriously, how hard is "put modules in slots"
(1:30:22 AM) kwark_uk: Li3 but seriously, oh my fucking God what the fuck happened here
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21666879
(1:30:44 AM) kwark_uk: empty mids, t2 mwd, 50mm plate and twin prop rigs with no dcu
(1:31:08 AM) kwark_uk: and I thought the "I'm just gonna leave slots empty" ranis was bad
(1:31:30 AM) kwark_uk: and that plate is t2, it didn't randomly drop, he went out and actually bought one of those for his heretic
(1:32:00 AM) kwark_uk: Li3 had a good run but I think it's time to end that particular experiment


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