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Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
December 31 2013 16:33 GMT
#34821
That feel when you have a navy vexor down to 20% armor and almost neuted out, and you don't realize until 10 seconds later that he got out of web range :/
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43947 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 20:20:10
December 31 2013 18:48 GMT
#34822
edit, put full exchange below
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43947 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 20:20:41
December 31 2013 19:05 GMT
#34823
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 800mm Repeating Artillery I
From: Infinite Force
Sent: 2013.12.31 17:59
To: X ATM092,

Hey X Atm, I needed to make 2 contracts for the minerals due to limits on the size of the contracts

however i didnt make the 2nd one 

This is the total amount of minerals for the items I contracted
http://i.imgur.com/Je6Vn9s.png

However only this was sent over (like i said my mistake)
http://i.imgur.com/OhZW1Wy.png

to complete the total amount, I need the following:
http://i.imgur.com/eZPMLzP.png

 14,316,000.00 198,000.00 52,650,000.00 2,220,000.00 157,812,000.00 615,155,727.00 114,000.00 
Isogen - Megacyte - Mexallon - Nocxium - Pyerite - Tritanium - Zydrine

normally the price would be higher as well, but im waving all of that due to my issue and the delays due to the holidays

Ill make a contract to you now in Jita

thanks for helping!

--------------------------------
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 800mm Repeating Artillery I
From: X ATM092
Sent: 2013.12.30 13:03
To: Infinite Force

I'd happily take the lot. Get them to Jita.

--------------------------------
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 800mm Repeating Artillery I
From: Infinite Force
Sent: 2013.12.30 04:33
To: X ATM092

Merry Late Christmas! Just catching up on things after the holiday.

I have the following in stock right now if you are interested.

Let me know if you need any of these, I'm looking to offload them all.

Infrared XL 5975
Inferno Citadel Torpedo 5802
Mjolnir Citadel Torpedo 6373
350mm Railgun I 2
425mm Railgun I 7805
800mm Repeating Artillery I 16027
Fusion XL 55306

Total Minerals to trade for
Isogen - Megacyte - Mexallon - Nocxium - Pyerite - Tritanium - Zydrine
47,139,379 - 1,298,345 - 236,114,063 - 6,625,205 - 748,318,223 - 2,834,615,585 - 406,136

Cost for Service
 1,007,374,403.36 

6 JF's worth total


no thanks


I dont understand? 

I mistakenly gave you 13,805 in 425mm guns but didnt make 2 seperate contracts

I only recieved minerals for  7,805.  The remaining 6k in guns I ment to put up as a 2nd contract

as you know, the limit on minerals is 2.1b

I needed to split up the contract into 2 parts but i didnt get a chance to

So the extra minerals is to cover the additional 6k in guns


Yes, what I'm saying is given the choice I'd rather just keep the minerals. It's nothing personal. It's just I like to weigh the value of each choice on its own and what you are proposing here is that I give you roughly 15b worth of minerals for free. That just doesn't seem like a good idea. I know they are the minerals that should have been the 800mms but I already have the 800mms in a previous decision to accept the contract which left me +15b so to now repay you would take me from my current state to 15b poorer.


would you rather to just give the isk instead?

else im out 6k in guns?  your a long time customer and a trusted trader in the community....


No, I'd rather just keep the isk and the minerals and the guns. I don't see this as violating trust especially tbh but if you wish to make a MD forum topic or whatever then I'll understand. I do see where you're coming from, obviously you're out a lot of isk here, but I'm currently up a lot of isk and you're asking me to go down as much as you currently are. I just don't feel strongly enough about fixing your mistake to spend 15b doing it.


is the 12b isk enough to ruin our business agreement and also burn your credibility?


I don't see why this should impact our ability to do business. What was profitable for you to do previously is still profitable for you to do. If you wish to end it then I certainly won't be angry at you, I'd completely understand your decision, but as long as we both enter the correct values into contracts I see no reason why we can't continue as before.

If you must end it though it's worth remembering that I can buy 480,000 railgun runs at the price I'm now getting on the WTB forums with the isk I'm saving by not preserving my arrangement with you. So I'm unlikely to be hurting there.

As for my reputation, people can still do business with me although they ought to double check their numbers before hitting go.


you wouldnt be "down" anything.

unless ofc you feel taking what was a mistake to give you means you earned it.

if you have a unlimited number of suppliers then great, contrats on a free 12b isk due to game mechanic issues.

Merry (late) Christmas and have a great New Year!


Your understanding of opportunity cost is lacking, I would be 12b below where I currently am if I were to give you 12b. Whether or not possessions are earned by your definition of fair plays no part in who controsl them. The minerals are in my hangar, thus they are mine. If they were to be in your hangar rather than mine then this can only be described as a loss.

I have more than enough suppliers although I would like to keep doing business with you if you're willing. If you take greater care in future this issue can be avoided.

Merry Christmas to you too and a Happy New Year.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4059587#post4059587
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
December 31 2013 19:12 GMT
#34824
your explanation is so clear!
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
January 01 2014 14:25 GMT
#34825
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Clearly the true facts of the matter is that the guy clearly tried to scam you Kwark. This is massively evident as one part of the contract is a different value than the part that you were required (see: requested) to complete. So he has scammed you and you should be angry, the fact that it is somehow a reverse scam where he donates the isk to you instead of you donating the isk to him does not enter into it.

You are the victim here.
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
Jones Hawkwood
Profile Joined September 2013
Belgium54 Posts
January 01 2014 17:08 GMT
#34826
Kwark, you make for light reading on the first of the year. I thank you.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
January 01 2014 20:17 GMT
#34827
That thread is a very fun read.
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DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
January 01 2014 20:43 GMT
#34828
Anyone have a bunch of amarr LP? (About 1.6M is needed)
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
January 01 2014 21:17 GMT
#34829
"Jita would have a lot less spam if people scammed themselves more often."
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19138 Posts
January 01 2014 22:32 GMT
#34830
That was some good stuff haha. Cheers and the best wishes and lots of profit for everyone, irl and e-prof! <3
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43947 Posts
January 01 2014 22:53 GMT
#34831
Genolution price spike from speculators when CCP didn't release them for Christmas, receive 24b increase in assets.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Zavior
Profile Joined August 2009
Finland753 Posts
January 01 2014 23:24 GMT
#34832
Was it you that cleared ca2's?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43947 Posts
January 01 2014 23:33 GMT
#34833
On January 02 2014 08:24 Zavior wrote:
Was it you that cleared ca2's?

Nope, I just still have 1200 of each.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43947 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 15:49:21
January 02 2014 15:37 GMT
#34834
Could someone post something like
"I notice that in all the excitement nobody has actually made a bid for this so I'll start it off at 40b. Currently winning bid is 40b."

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4064797#post4064797

Then I'll use alts or you fine gentlemen to .01 it for a few weeks, see if we can get it all the way up to 50.

Putting this link here for future reference.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=233104

Will post something like "Curiously your valuation of the bpo has gone down by 8b ever since you put PE1 on it. Is this an admission that researching PE on a titan bpo is literally retarded?"

This link too
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1461812#post1461812

"I see you have been trying to sell this bpo for 18 months now with the same start bid, 71b, now as you had then. Just out of curiousity I worked out the opportunity cost on 71b tied up, assuming a 2% weekly return compounded over 18 months. It's 71*1.02^76 or 320b. So if we subtract the initial 70b then we're looking at about 250b lost profit. You keep showing those resellers who is boss. Fight the power."
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19204 Posts
January 02 2014 15:44 GMT
#34835
I really hope you win with Anton
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
0m3ga
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Serbia322 Posts
January 03 2014 04:44 GMT
#34836
Ishtar + Curse and Stiletto OP gang comp
Don't you ever gf me back -Chessur
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43947 Posts
January 03 2014 22:54 GMT
#34837
Tip of the hat to Dr Harari, keep fighting the good fight sir.
http://themittani.com/features/alod-return-investment?page=0,0
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-04 00:16:38
January 03 2014 23:47 GMT
#34838
So let me get this straight, on page 1 he acknowledges that there are carebears in the game. But on page 2 he completely forgets that.
"The purpose of a mission ship is to make money; this also applies to ratting ships, incursion ships, and wormhole ships. This money is then used for something that the player enjoys more than missioning/incursioning/ratting. When a player “pimps” their money-making ship, their general intent is to be able to make more money in the same amount of time, so they can stop doing EVE’s boring PVE and stimulate the economy by spending their money on something they enjoy more."

Its a wideknown rumour that 90% of people in EVE never leave highsec, what do you think those people are doing. This IS their goal. Pimp the ship as hard as they can, they dont know anything else and they dont have anything else thats more fun.
Also his fit is bullshit. Xlarge without cap boosters, oh wow. The large booster has enough tank for l4s and better shield/power rate.
Oh, and of course in his calculations he completely neglects, most likely because, like 99% of eveplayers, hes completely oblivious of it, the opportunity cost. Is he gonna chase a golem/freigther/whatever that drops 1b after costs on average but needs 5 tornadoes to kill? What if he misses a juicier target in that time? Cost of sec status hit?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43947 Posts
January 05 2014 00:55 GMT
#34839
Anyone got an alt with no hatchery history and production efficiency V? Think I could get a MD investment scam thing going here. MD is getting sloppy with their investments lately.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
0m3ga
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Serbia322 Posts
January 05 2014 05:15 GMT
#34840
On January 05 2014 09:55 KwarK wrote:
Anyone got an alt with no hatchery history and production efficiency V? Think I could get a MD investment scam thing going here. MD is getting sloppy with their investments lately.


MD?
Don't you ever gf me back -Chessur
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