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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 11:07:43
May 31 2013 11:07 GMT
#31021
I think we have like 5 people who still play EVE and only 2 of them are in the TL alliance or something.
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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
May 31 2013 11:19 GMT
#31022
I am trying so hard not to be smug....

[image loading]

Sadly I don't think its working.

[image loading]

Dual LSE m8's. The field extenders give a % increase to base shields, which im told LSE's give you more shields. So i shielded while shielding.

I am willing to give you PvP lessons. 100 mil / hr if anyone wants so teaching.
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Ueberlisk
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland455 Posts
May 31 2013 11:33 GMT
#31023
so you are trying to tell us that 2 lse is better than one invuln?
I got honor. - Johnny Business
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
May 31 2013 11:39 GMT
#31024
what implants did you use for those numbers?
Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
May 31 2013 12:46 GMT
#31025
No implants, quad link loki + fittings on screen.

I am trying to say that my mid slot tank choice is superior to invuln cap booster. Honestly its a horse s piece, but i was getting hatorade dumped on me because i fit an lse to a bs.
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jfourz
Profile Joined August 2009
Ireland421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 15:13:37
May 31 2013 15:11 GMT
#31026
yeah that's pretty awful. you should probably have an em screen on the lse fit but other than that...
you're much harder to rep, can't heat your tank, take 10% more damage from bombs and have one less mid slot. considering you probably want at least 3 of mwd / mjd / booster / scram / point / web i don't know what you're trying to achieve here

lses shouldnt be fit to battleships for the most part. they're good on black ops though
it is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. that is true, it's called life.
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
May 31 2013 15:17 GMT
#31027
On May 31 2013 21:46 Ramiel wrote:
No implants, quad link loki + fittings on screen.

I am trying to say that my mid slot tank choice is superior to invuln cap booster. Honestly its a horse s piece, but i was getting hatorade dumped on me because i fit an lse to a bs.


Your argument is posed in the most odd way. I hardly believe anyone would say that double LSE with links (intuitively: lots of shield added + link resist bonus) has more tank than single invuln with links (stack-penalized). Let's not fail to mention here that invuln + LSE is sufficiently not different cap-wise from double LSE (and is far superior to either of the previous mentioned cases).

Additionally, completely independent of what your other modules are, a nano BS's tank arguably relies as much on its MWD (and thus its capacitor) as it does on its raw EHP. If you showed these two fits to me without making any claims and without a posed argument present, I would say the invuln fit is better - because in all the situations where it matters, it is.

Basically what I'm saying is your argument feels like a trick because a rational person will make rational assumptions whereas your argument and the circumstances surrounding it are in silly land.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44393 Posts
May 31 2013 15:17 GMT
#31028
another 6% EHP is not worth a mid slot Chessur.
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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 15:30:55
May 31 2013 15:28 GMT
#31029
Like i said pros and cons either way you fit it. Your dealing with a 4mid shield BS. With mindflood, and a faciton mwd with everything running your looking close to 2:30 cap. That is more than enough room to play with if you have good cap management imo. There for- you dont need to waste the mid slot on a booster. Invuln + LSE which is good, is going to hurt your cap which is JUST barely meeting what is playable IMO The invuln on pushes you below 2:00. (Granted the argument could be made that you don't have to turn on the invuln unless your taking damge ext ext I don't feel like going into all of those possibilitys) So will all of that in mind, dual LSE provides the most EHP buffer with the least amount of cap used.

If you are the type of player that really likes the cap booster, then yah- single invuln is better- cap is no longer a problem.

Dual prop MJD is not needed on a BS that goes 2.4k/s unheated with amazing tracking, a flight of light drones and heavy neut imo. However agian argument could be made.

This fit was not made with logi in mind. If you are flying with logi clearly resitance all of the things.

Either way I am just trying to point out that in some interesting situations, LSE's can be used to effect on BS ships.

But hey I could be wrong
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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 16:01:34
May 31 2013 15:30 GMT
#31030
On June 01 2013 00:17 KwarK wrote:
another 6% EHP is not worth a mid slot Chessur.


You're getting almost 10K more shield HP. In a buffer high speed falloff boat, I think that it is worth it.
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Galdo
Profile Joined January 2012
United States338 Posts
May 31 2013 15:34 GMT
#31031
Wait, the Nightmare doesn't use Gallente BS, what happened to the Nanomare?
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19264 Posts
May 31 2013 15:41 GMT
#31032
Chessur, the word you want is "you're"
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jfourz
Profile Joined August 2009
Ireland421 Posts
May 31 2013 15:49 GMT
#31033
enjoy you're lse's
it is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. that is true, it's called life.
Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
May 31 2013 16:01 GMT
#31034
On June 01 2013 00:34 Galdo wrote:
Wait, the Nightmare doesn't use Gallente BS, what happened to the Nanomare?

I only plan to train gallente BS once i am flying a mach. I never plan to fly the NMega, I just think that its going to be very dangerous when shield fit. Nanomare can only be a thing if they buff its speed. The new BS line / Cruise line is just so fast now, that it just can't keep up with the current power creep in its current iteration.


On June 01 2013 00:41 tofucake wrote:
Chessur, the word you want is "you're"


Thanks for pointing that out, it is fixed


On June 01 2013 00:49 jfourz wrote:
enjoy you're lse's


I don't plan on flying a mega, but i will enjoy them. Giving up already?
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44393 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 16:08:43
May 31 2013 16:08 GMT
#31035
Chessur, can you post a picture with -1 TE, +1 IN EANM, -1 LSE, +1 TC.
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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
May 31 2013 16:21 GMT
#31036
On June 01 2013 01:08 KwarK wrote:
Chessur, can you post a picture with -1 TE, +1 IN EANM, -1 LSE, +1 TC.


I dont' have acsess to my EFT currently. However I will throw it up when i get home. I can tell you from my experiments with the TyFI and Typhoon that the dual tank provides much greater EHP when you are trying to shield fit a 4 slot BS. The navy BS have huge armor buffer to begin with, so enams are nice. Your probably going to be looking at more raw EHP, with better guns as well.
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19264 Posts
May 31 2013 16:26 GMT
#31037
On June 01 2013 00:49 jfourz wrote:
enjoy you're lse's

I said "Chessur" and yet you still try to troll. Your troll is unoriginal, simpleminded, and pointless. Everyone is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
jfourz
Profile Joined August 2009
Ireland421 Posts
May 31 2013 16:29 GMT
#31038
On June 01 2013 01:26 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 00:49 jfourz wrote:
enjoy you're lse's

I said "Chessur" and yet you still try to troll. Your troll is unoriginal, simpleminded, and pointless. Everyone is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.


jeepers creepers, every time someone makes a joke these days it's trolling. i'm sorry for posting, i'll let you get back to your double lse megas
it is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. that is true, it's called life.
Shootemup.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1044 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 16:33:44
May 31 2013 16:32 GMT
#31039
On June 01 2013 00:28 Ramiel wrote:
Like i said pros and cons either way you fit it. Your dealing with a 4mid shield BS. With mindflood, and a faciton mwd with everything running your looking close to 2:30 cap. That is more than enough room to play with if you have good cap management imo. There for- you dont need to waste the mid slot on a booster. Invuln + LSE which is good, is going to hurt your cap which is JUST barely meeting what is playable IMO The invuln on pushes you below 2:00. (Granted the argument could be made that you don't have to turn on the invuln unless your taking damge ext ext I don't feel like going into all of those possibilitys) So will all of that in mind, dual LSE provides the most EHP buffer with the least amount of cap used.

If you are the type of player that really likes the cap booster, then yah- single invuln is better- cap is no longer a problem.

Dual prop MJD is not needed on a BS that goes 2.4k/s unheated with amazing tracking, a flight of light drones and heavy neut imo. However agian argument could be made.

This fit was not made with logi in mind. If you are flying with logi clearly resitance all of the things.

Either way I am just trying to point out that in some interesting situations, LSE's can be used to effect on BS ships.

But hey I could be wrong

I would imagine that you will have to use your MWD a lot more with a Blaster BS compared to a Cruise Navy Raven or w/e it is you are drooling over nowadays. You need the range control a MWD provides a lot more when your effective damage range is like 35 km and I don't think 2:30 capacitor is enough honestly.
"Dirty Timber Picker" Mity Teem Larquad. "I am a baddie and tango is a smartiepants." -KwarK "When you said you didn't play Invoker I thought you were just being modest"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44393 Posts
May 31 2013 16:34 GMT
#31040
On June 01 2013 01:21 Ramiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 01:08 KwarK wrote:
Chessur, can you post a picture with -1 TE, +1 IN EANM, -1 LSE, +1 TC.


I dont' have acsess to my EFT currently. However I will throw it up when i get home. I can tell you from my experiments with the TyFI and Typhoon that the dual tank provides much greater EHP when you are trying to shield fit a 4 slot BS. The navy BS have huge armor buffer to begin with, so enams are nice. Your probably going to be looking at more raw EHP, with better guns as well.

So why are we doing small fixed increases on a ship with large numbers in those stats already instead of % increases?
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