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Ueberlisk
Finland455 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Molden Heath From: Frood Frooster Sent: 2013.03.11 12:52 To: Ueberlisk, Hey Ueberlisk, a small group of Eve Uni students think about going to Great Wildlands more and think about staging out of Egbinger and maybe fly around MH while doing so. I am not yet sure how many people will actually go there but you might see some more Eve Uni traffic in MH. I wanted to talk to you first before Eve Uni is dragged into a months long war at the cost of all other members when it is just a few people who actually want to go and live in MH. If you have a problem with us going into MH again, I would prefer you to talk to me first before we have such a long war again (though we learnt quite a lot from you guys). Yours Frood Frooster Director Eve Uni | ||
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Zavior
Finland753 Posts
On March 11 2013 14:42 DefMatrixUltra wrote: So maybe we should give Drakes turret slots? Or how about we rework the stupid way that missiles work so you can't intentionally bring the server to its knees if you're losing a fight. I understand your objection from a practical standpoint, but all it does is bring up another thing that's stupid that should be changed. What would your change be? Only thing I can think of would be the removal of missiles as an actual entity in the game world, ie one that you can smart bomb and such and replace that with just the visual. Thats what they did the fighter bombers I think, if so, they already have a solution. It'd change the game a lot though :3 | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On March 12 2013 01:27 Zavior wrote: What would your change be? Only thing I can think of would be the removal of missiles as an actual entity in the game world, ie one that you can smart bomb and such and replace that with just the visual. Thats what they did the fighter bombers I think, if so, they already have a solution. It'd change the game a lot though :3 EVE does not need significant agreement between game client and server. As it is right now, missiles are treated on the server very much like they are on the game client. They could be significantly more "dumb" (i.e. requiring much less updating) on the server while remaining exactly the same on the client. There's no need for them to be an entity as in a game world object unto themselves. They could be little more than a few numbers attached to 2 ships - the aggressor and target. Using these numbers on these ships, you could do the same kind of calculations as are done now without the additional overhead of creating new entities. For missiles, they could even lower the update threshold and update their status less often on the server. Missiles always hit unless they are destroyed - why stress over millisecond updates? | ||
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Invol2ver
United States330 Posts
Was coming back from a mission in karj and there was one neutral in local in saranen and 1 in karj. These are people I've seen around and have never given trouble so I clear my in/out gates and decide to go on through. Grid loads in Saranen and the neutral has decloaked in a loki. I load grid 8km from the loki. Bad luck. I decide to crash and he lands webs but I'm at < 3.5km from gate by the time they really take hold. He's brick plated with a scram and his bump was easy to dodge so I'm easily going to make it back. Local has +2'd in this time so help was coming otherwise I'd have played with him some. A tengu lands as I make it to < 2.5km and i decide to hang around as I have gate guns but the tengu is at least semi-competent and doesn't agress. Jump back across to karj and the Tengu follows me and there's a prophecy on this side now as well. A few new neutrals have hit local since I left and as I'm not linked or snaked I decide not to risk that they have links in which case the 100mn tengu could run me down if I burn off and I'd be in some trouble. So I crash again, this time they only have 2 webs and no scram so...whatever. Back in Sara its still just the Loki and the last guy in local reveals himself to be in a pilgrim. Having ascertained that they are not linked on this side I see have loaded grid 19km from the loki and 16km from the pilgrim. That'll do. Standard burn off and warp away. Swagger. A small bit of excitement for my morning. These guys have been after me for some two weeks and this is the closest they have gotten. Usually when I initiate conversation while they are probing me they are happy to chat. This time they deagressed and left local silent. Also, Kwark, remember this? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://oi56.tinypic.com/2m2uljk.jpg) Kwark4CSM. A face you can trust. | ||
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Body_Shield
Canada3368 Posts
On March 12 2013 00:55 Ueberlisk wrote: Better war dec just to be sure? + Show Spoiler + Molden Heath From: Frood Frooster Sent: 2013.03.11 12:52 To: Ueberlisk, Hey Ueberlisk, a small group of Eve Uni students think about going to Great Wildlands more and think about staging out of Egbinger and maybe fly around MH while doing so. I am not yet sure how many people will actually go there but you might see some more Eve Uni traffic in MH. I wanted to talk to you first before Eve Uni is dragged into a months long war at the cost of all other members when it is just a few people who actually want to go and live in MH. If you have a problem with us going into MH again, I would prefer you to talk to me first before we have such a long war again (though we learnt quite a lot from you guys). Yours Frood Frooster Director Eve Uni Please great space lord, please spare us from your wrath | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On March 12 2013 04:49 Body_Shield wrote: Please great space lord, please spare us from your wrath Ahahahah they did not forget. I just fell of my seat! | ||
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JJoNeEightY
United States509 Posts
On March 12 2013 03:20 Invol2ver wrote: Almost got login trapped in my Mach by tundragon today. Was coming back from a mission in karj and there was one neutral in local in saranen and 1 in karj. These are people I've seen around and have never given trouble so I clear my in/out gates and decide to go on through. Grid loads in Saranen and the neutral has decloaked in a loki. I load grid 8km from the loki. Bad luck. I decide to crash and he lands webs but I'm at < 3.5km from gate by the time they really take hold. He's brick plated with a scram and his bump was easy to dodge so I'm easily going to make it back. Local has +2'd in this time so help was coming otherwise I'd have played with him some. A tengu lands as I make it to < 2.5km and i decide to hang around as I have gate guns but the tengu is at least semi-competent and doesn't agress. Jump back across to karj and the Tengu follows me and there's a prophecy on this side now as well. A few new neutrals have hit local since I left and as I'm not linked or snaked I decide not to risk that they have links in which case the 100mn tengu could run me down if I burn off and I'd be in some trouble. So I crash again, this time they only have 2 webs and no scram so...whatever. Back in Sara its still just the Loki and the last guy in local reveals himself to be in a pilgrim. Having ascertained that they are not linked on this side I see have loaded grid 19km from the loki and 16km from the pilgrim. That'll do. Standard burn off and warp away. Swagger. A small bit of excitement for my morning. These guys have been after me for some two weeks and this is the closest they have gotten. Usually when I initiate conversation while they are probing me they are happy to chat. This time they deagressed and left local silent. Also, Kwark, remember this? + Show Spoiler + Kwark4CSM. A face you can trust. I expected this to end with you destroying their whole gang. You. Are. Such. A. Coward. The official council of machariel pilots is displeased with you. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4172 Posts
On March 12 2013 00:55 Ueberlisk wrote: Better war dec just to be sure? + Show Spoiler + Molden Heath From: Frood Frooster Sent: 2013.03.11 12:52 To: Ueberlisk, Hey Ueberlisk, a small group of Eve Uni students think about going to Great Wildlands more and think about staging out of Egbinger and maybe fly around MH while doing so. I am not yet sure how many people will actually go there but you might see some more Eve Uni traffic in MH. I wanted to talk to you first before Eve Uni is dragged into a months long war at the cost of all other members when it is just a few people who actually want to go and live in MH. If you have a problem with us going into MH again, I would prefer you to talk to me first before we have such a long war again (though we learnt quite a lot from you guys). Yours Frood Frooster Director Eve Uni Lol. Now they know better than to mess with the King. What, exactly, is a "few" to Eve Uni? They never thought they were blobbing people in MH when they were flying around in 80 man fleets after all..... | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
On March 12 2013 05:04 Warri wrote: Ahahahah they did not forget. I just fell of my seat! So epic, only eve | ||
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Invol2ver
United States330 Posts
On March 12 2013 06:42 JJoNeEightY wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 03:20 Invol2ver wrote: Almost got login trapped in my Mach by tundragon today. Was coming back from a mission in karj and there was one neutral in local in saranen and 1 in karj. These are people I've seen around and have never given trouble so I clear my in/out gates and decide to go on through. Grid loads in Saranen and the neutral has decloaked in a loki. I load grid 8km from the loki. Bad luck. I decide to crash and he lands webs but I'm at < 3.5km from gate by the time they really take hold. He's brick plated with a scram and his bump was easy to dodge so I'm easily going to make it back. Local has +2'd in this time so help was coming otherwise I'd have played with him some. A tengu lands as I make it to < 2.5km and i decide to hang around as I have gate guns but the tengu is at least semi-competent and doesn't agress. Jump back across to karj and the Tengu follows me and there's a prophecy on this side now as well. A few new neutrals have hit local since I left and as I'm not linked or snaked I decide not to risk that they have links in which case the 100mn tengu could run me down if I burn off and I'd be in some trouble. So I crash again, this time they only have 2 webs and no scram so...whatever. Back in Sara its still just the Loki and the last guy in local reveals himself to be in a pilgrim. Having ascertained that they are not linked on this side I see have loaded grid 19km from the loki and 16km from the pilgrim. That'll do. Standard burn off and warp away. Swagger. A small bit of excitement for my morning. These guys have been after me for some two weeks and this is the closest they have gotten. Usually when I initiate conversation while they are probing me they are happy to chat. This time they deagressed and left local silent. Also, Kwark, remember this? + Show Spoiler + Kwark4CSM. A face you can trust. I expected this to end with you destroying their whole gang. You. Are. Such. A. Coward. The official council of machariel pilots is displeased with you. Fight while being login trapped by Tundragon t3 and recons with more unknowns streaming in while in bridge range of Aunenen. Smart plan. There was literally nothing to be done there. I could have sat off gate and took shots at the loki from 30km but why? They had the hardware to push me off field and I didn't have the link advantage to dance around them with. I'd call that being a retard. Anyway. Kwark and I go back to VFK for our second consecutive night of throwback hatch elite pvp. Last night's stuff We get to VFK and kill some Archon's fighters when they start undocking things. Ares starts burning after me and some destroyers and a Talos that has been hanging around head in too. This seems pretty straightforward. Me in a web drake kwark in an Oracle...lets kill them all. Except the Ares scrams me and the Thrasher + Talwar get secondary tackle upon whence Kwark announces that he has disconnected. Sigh. I get the Ares and Talwar (wtf awox) and almost the Thrasher before the Talos dps catches on and I go down. They don't probe Kwark while he sorts his shit out so he hangs around and picks off the Talos but then promptly loses his Oracle in 2R to a Harpy landing on 0 while he's toying with a cloaky HAM Tengu. Standard. | ||
KwarK
United States41961 Posts
This + Show Spoiler + [Tornado, expensive snake nado] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II Tracking Enhancer II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II Snake Alpha Snake Beta Snake Gamma Snake Delta Snake Epsilon Snake Omega Zainou 'Deadeye' Trajectory Analysis TA-705 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905 Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1005 with standard soothsayer and both EMP and barrage vs this + Show Spoiler + [Oracle, our oracle] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Warded Ladar Backup Cluster I Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Navigation NN-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905 Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Large Energy Turret LE-1005 with standard frentix and scorch. I want graphs of damage at various ranges with barrage, emp and scorch shown in a way that I can compare and understand them and a simple explanation of which has superior tracking and which should be used when. Please help. | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On March 12 2013 06:42 JJoNeEightY wrote: I expected this to end with you destroying their whole gang. You. Are. Such. A. Coward. The official council of machariel pilots is displeased with you. http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15076296 http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14852634 | ||
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JJoNeEightY
United States509 Posts
On March 12 2013 10:43 DefMatrixUltra wrote: http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15076296 http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14852634 You jelly? | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
Nado with Barrage: 0.04435 Oracle with Scorch: 0.03751 Nado with RF EMP: 0.05913 Oracle with IN Multi: 0.05001 Damage: Nado with Barrage: 20K 30K 40K 50K 60K 70K ________________784 747 689 633 560 486 Oracle with Scorch:836 836 836 836 836 836 Nado With EMP: 10K 20K 30K 40K 50K ______________991 923 815 686 538 Oracle with Mult:10481048 913 438 137 Hope you can understand that. So the nado has better tracking all around, but also worse damage in every respect. EMP should be your primary ammo until you get about 45K / 50K away from your target. Although, anything farther than 60K and the nado has piss poor projection when compared to the oracle. Because you are packing linked T2 points on your nados, you will be hanging around 35 / 42 KM. At that range the Nado is superior to the oracle in every way. Anything outside of that pocket ie. farther away, the nado pales in comparison to the oracle. In kwark terms: If you are actually going to be holding points with the nado, then you can use the nado's close range, high tracking EMP L ammo- while an oracle would still be forced to use Scorch. This means the nado not only has comparable damage to the oracle at 30 / 40K but it also has way better tracking. EMP L (0.05913) vs Scorch (0.03751). Nado wins in point range. Anything farther away oracle wins | ||
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Mandini
United States1717 Posts
On March 12 2013 10:42 KwarK wrote: Def, maths the following. This + Show Spoiler + [Tornado, expensive snake nado] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II Tracking Enhancer II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II Snake Alpha Snake Beta Snake Gamma Snake Delta Snake Epsilon Snake Omega Zainou 'Deadeye' Trajectory Analysis TA-705 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905 Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1005 with standard soothsayer and both EMP and barrage vs this + Show Spoiler + [Oracle, our oracle] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Warded Ladar Backup Cluster I Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Navigation NN-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905 Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Large Energy Turret LE-1005 with standard frentix and scorch. I want graphs of damage at various ranges with barrage, emp and scorch shown in a way that I can compare and understand them and a simple explanation of which has superior tracking and which should be used when. Please help. Also explain to Kwark that when a bonus to damage is increased from 25% to 50%, that does not mean that you just multiply the current damage by 2 to get your new damage. Worse than KadaverBB. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On March 12 2013 00:55 Ueberlisk wrote: Better war dec just to be sure? + Show Spoiler + Molden Heath From: Frood Frooster Sent: 2013.03.11 12:52 To: Ueberlisk, Hey Ueberlisk, a small group of Eve Uni students think about going to Great Wildlands more and think about staging out of Egbinger and maybe fly around MH while doing so. I am not yet sure how many people will actually go there but you might see some more Eve Uni traffic in MH. I wanted to talk to you first before Eve Uni is dragged into a months long war at the cost of all other members when it is just a few people who actually want to go and live in MH. If you have a problem with us going into MH again, I would prefer you to talk to me first before we have such a long war again (though we learnt quite a lot from you guys). Yours Frood Frooster Director Eve Uni Mind giving me the background, if it isn't too much trouble? | ||
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KwarK
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Ramiel
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