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Sylvex
Profile Joined January 2009
United States127 Posts
January 22 2013 00:47 GMT
#28381
On January 22 2013 07:10 SayGen wrote:
... I use this alt to plex my accounts and fund my other pursuits...


Not doing it for money.

The reason I am so brutal in my post is because he SHOULD know better. Nothing about what happened was "epic." If he was a new guy who didn't know better then fine tell him he did good and offer better options. At this rate if we give SayGen praise it may give ideas to the other new people who are actually trying to learn this game. There is a time/place for constructive criticism, but it can only be ignored so many times before it stops coming.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
January 22 2013 00:52 GMT
#28382
If he ignores constructive criticism then how bout being silent instead of being a dick about the whole thing.
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SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
January 22 2013 00:55 GMT
#28383
On January 22 2013 09:21 Sylvex wrote:
That's one of the stupidest fucking stories I have ever read. Why is it incredibly long? TLDR is that you were retarded and took a bad contract then you were retarded and AFK'd (without a script to warp to 0 on the gates), then you claim that fucking freighters can burn hard to a star gate (an all 5 fenrir goes 120 m/s with an align for 38 fucking seconds), then you spend 20 minutes saying what should be said in a single sentence:

"A retarded machariel tried to bump me, but it was bad so I was able to warp away." (yes your ENTIRE post in 1 sentence).

There is so much fucking stupid there I'm not even sure where to start.

The very first and foremost mistake here is that you are doing freight at all in the first place. ESPECIALLY high sec freighting.

Why do we have to know how your day went?

Why do you have to explain what bumping is?...

What the fuck is a hard burn in the slowest form of ship in the game that also can't actually fit modules? Also what is the safest/most efficient freighter? You can't fit anything to a freighter, no matter what you do you still essentially go 0 speed and have an align time of 35+ seconds. A brick is a fucking brick.

Why the fuck is talking to whoever is bumping you even included in this? You were both clearly retarded and I can't imagine someone who cannot manually pilot a FREIGHTER while holding a conversation.

There is no situational awareness involved here no matter how many times you bring it up. This is a look at your screen moment at its maximum effect and with how little control you have over the situation being aware of it isn't going to do you much good.

Also why do you bring up showing moons with alt+shift+X if your goal is to align to a fucking gate. If you align to anything other than a gate/station you're just fucking praying that whoever is bumping you doesn't notice you warping off because, once again, its a fucking freighter. If you warp off they can follow you, probably get there before you, and begin bumping you in the 40 seconds it takes you to try and align again.

Again I'd like to stress how your "manual piloting" on a 120 m/s 40s align time freighter did so very little to help you here. The only thing that happened is the machariel was retarded. You may as well have not been moving at that speed.

I think the worst part is the tone you have for the entire post. Very haughty and acting like you did something impressive/worth praising. All that happened is you fucked up, and did something retarded (leave a freighter with 3.5b on AP while leaving your house...) and then a retard tried to bump you and was retarded.

Edit: I am an angry person.


Not sure why I bother, but I'll give it one more shot:
1) I never said how my day went. I simply gave a reason why I missed the initial 2 bumps, if anything I was vague.
Also it shows just how easy it is to AFK and make money. Often people (including you) undercut my efforts. You scream freighting is stupid- and yet- not a single person can give another alternative way to make a greater amount of isk for as little effort as I put into freighting. My God with the exception of this one incident- you click 8 times-- ya that's it.. 8 times per hour and get 25m. 8 clicks takes me roughly 6 secs depending on several lag. 6 secs- 25m AFK the entire time- with the exception of this one event. Can't do that in FW- even a defensive plexing isn't AFKable- try to go afk and watch your shit go boom over and over. Oh and that's not including the time it takes to get to the plex, nor the time to fit a ship and all the other 'prep' work that goes into it. No other activity can beat 25m+ (not including tips) for 6 seconds. Sorry. Facts are facts. I rather spend my ATK time PvPing and talking about Esports with like-minded people. If you like PvE bro more power to you but I don't.

2) It's longer cause it's aimed at 2 audiences. Not just you or TL members. I posted it so the newer RFF people could read it. Many of them have no idea how to react to a bump.

3) Yea the terminology burn was wrong. got me. guilty-- please go get a rope I deserve to be hung! omg! freak out much! Such a child.

4) If you don't know how to add safety or make a freighter more efficient- perhaps you should assume the role of the student and me the teacher. I guess you don't grasp the concept of each freighter having different attributes, the concept of implants, the concept of SP bonuses- which is a bloody shame.

5) Plenty of people get their multitasking caps at different levels. Just cause you and I may have higher APM than most doesn't mean others do. It's easy to get distracted and lose focus of what you should be doing. Also in a game where most people use 'approach' 'orbit' 'jump' for their daily play sessions- manual piloting is often overlooked. Not everyone PvPs. Again this wasn't fully intended for you, but others as well. Sorry bro- world doesn't revolve around you.

6) People are dumb, once a target warps off it's amazing how many are too stupid to chase you. Yes a gate is preferred over any other object (unless you're in a system with a dock). Don't see your point. Warping anywhere is better than a warp to nowhere.

7) My tone? What tone? You mean the part where I admitted to making critical mistakes and helping remind people of how to avoid them? You mean the tone that offers multiple solutions to various problems? You have me and you confused. I offer help and solutions, and rarely if ever criticize. If I should be praised for anything, and I don't believe I should; It should be for taking a scenario that happens often and making the best out of a shit situation. Maybe you're the give up type, but not me. Sorry bro you got me all wrong. The story was a story of luck--getting that lucky break.

8) Have an amazing day! I love you.
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SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
January 22 2013 00:58 GMT
#28384
On January 22 2013 09:41 tofucake wrote:
He did a bad and a bad out badded him. We've been telling him for months that hauling is shit money and terrible and worthless, and we've done it in all sorts of ways, ie comparing L4s to hauling, exploring to hauling, killing other people to hauling, and so forth. After 2 months he posts a giant wall of text about how his AFK autopiloting freighter got bumped because he wasn't paying attention to the contracts he picked up.


I pointed out numerious times. I don't do it for GOOD money. I do it for EASY money.
L4s can not be AFK'd
Exploring can not be AFK'd

It's about clicks / isk

If you want to be helpful- tell me what the easiest way is to AFK isk for the least amount of effort/attention.
so I can spend my time doing other non PVE related activies. I'll be all ears and happy to hear you out.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43212 Posts
January 22 2013 01:00 GMT
#28385
On January 22 2013 09:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
this is what we're talking about when we're saying the elite hatchery mentality is spilling everywhere where no one wants it to be

manner up. he enjoyed what he did and was proud of it. you can include advice on how to avoid the entire thing, but don't be a dick about it

Leah was never especially elite.

That said, it was a very long post about autopiloting a freighter.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
January 22 2013 01:03 GMT
#28386
On January 22 2013 10:00 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 09:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
this is what we're talking about when we're saying the elite hatchery mentality is spilling everywhere where no one wants it to be

manner up. he enjoyed what he did and was proud of it. you can include advice on how to avoid the entire thing, but don't be a dick about it

Leah was never especially elite.

That said, it was a very long post about autopiloting a freighter.

Pulling a tl;dr and not reading, or reading it and deciding not to post about it, is miles better than flaming the guy for talking about something he's proud of.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43212 Posts
January 22 2013 01:03 GMT
#28387
On January 22 2013 09:58 SayGen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 09:41 tofucake wrote:
He did a bad and a bad out badded him. We've been telling him for months that hauling is shit money and terrible and worthless, and we've done it in all sorts of ways, ie comparing L4s to hauling, exploring to hauling, killing other people to hauling, and so forth. After 2 months he posts a giant wall of text about how his AFK autopiloting freighter got bumped because he wasn't paying attention to the contracts he picked up.


I pointed out numerious times. I don't do it for GOOD money. I do it for EASY money.
L4s can not be AFK'd
Exploring can not be AFK'd

It's about clicks / isk

If you want to be helpful- tell me what the easiest way is to AFK isk for the least amount of effort/attention.
so I can spend my time doing other non PVE related activies. I'll be all ears and happy to hear you out.

System called (I think) Ihakana or something. Get an ishtar. Put on an afterburner, LSEs, kin and ther hardeners and a lot of drone damage amps. Go into one of the cosmos static plexes that constantly respawn rats. Launch your sentries and orbit a can.

Seriously.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Sylvex
Profile Joined January 2009
United States127 Posts
January 22 2013 01:04 GMT
#28388
I am not trying to be old hatchery elitist here, but at the same time I don't think people are comfortable with letting the TL EVE community, or whats left of it, devolve into E-Uni level badness.
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
January 22 2013 01:06 GMT
#28389
On January 22 2013 10:03 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 09:58 SayGen wrote:
On January 22 2013 09:41 tofucake wrote:
He did a bad and a bad out badded him. We've been telling him for months that hauling is shit money and terrible and worthless, and we've done it in all sorts of ways, ie comparing L4s to hauling, exploring to hauling, killing other people to hauling, and so forth. After 2 months he posts a giant wall of text about how his AFK autopiloting freighter got bumped because he wasn't paying attention to the contracts he picked up.


I pointed out numerious times. I don't do it for GOOD money. I do it for EASY money.
L4s can not be AFK'd
Exploring can not be AFK'd

It's about clicks / isk

If you want to be helpful- tell me what the easiest way is to AFK isk for the least amount of effort/attention.
so I can spend my time doing other non PVE related activies. I'll be all ears and happy to hear you out.

System called (I think) Ihakana or something. Get an ishtar. Put on an afterburner, LSEs, kin and ther hardeners and a lot of drone damage amps. Go into one of the cosmos static plexes that constantly respawn rats. Launch your sentries and orbit a can.

Seriously.


Thank you, I'll try that.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
January 22 2013 01:08 GMT
#28390
On January 22 2013 10:04 Sylvex wrote:
I am not trying to be old hatchery elitist here, but at the same time I don't think people are comfortable with letting the TL EVE community, or whats left of it, devolve into E-Uni level badness.

When did doing that require being a massive dick? Because that's honestly what that post was.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43212 Posts
January 22 2013 01:08 GMT
#28391
It's a highsec island. Scout your way in.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Sylvex
Profile Joined January 2009
United States127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 02:15:52
January 22 2013 01:39 GMT
#28392
I tried to make this more constructive and no doubt failed horribly at that.

On January 22 2013 10:08 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 10:04 Sylvex wrote:
I am not trying to be old hatchery elitist here, but at the same time I don't think people are comfortable with letting the TL EVE community, or whats left of it, devolve into E-Uni level badness.

When did doing that require being a massive dick? Because that's honestly what that post was.


When he ignored the months of us trying to teach him.

On January 22 2013 09:55 SayGen wrote:
3) Yea the terminology burn was wrong. got me. guilty-- please go get a rope I deserve to be hung! omg! freak out much! Such a child.


Missed the point entirely. Freighters are so slow and brick like that you were never going to make it if you were outside like 3000 km and there was a mach coming in for a bump. The word burn had nothing to do with it, it was the fact that freighters cant move "burning" or not.

On January 22 2013 09:55 SayGen wrote:
4) If you don't know how to add safety or make a freighter more efficient- perhaps you should assume the role of the student and me the teacher. I guess you don't grasp the concept of each freighter having different attributes, the concept of implants, the concept of SP bonuses- which is a bloody shame


For one you left out skills and implants that would affect what you were doing (NN-605, Advanced spaceship command), so apparently you don't actually know. For two, how often is an align time of 35 seconds going to save you over an align time of 38 seconds? Similarly how often is 126 m/s going to make a difference over 120 m/s. It's the fact that I do know how to "add safety" to a freighter, and while it doesn't hurt it certainly isn't going to affect the outcome of the situation you're describing 95% of the time.

On January 22 2013 09:55 SayGen wrote:
5) Plenty of people get their multitasking caps at different levels. Just cause you and I may have higher APM than most doesn't mean others do. It's easy to get distracted and lose focus of what you should be doing. Also in a game where most people use 'approach' 'orbit' 'jump' for their daily play sessions- manual piloting is often overlooked. Not everyone PvPs. Again this wasn't fully intended for you, but others as well. Sorry bro- world doesn't revolve around you.


My APM is absolutely horrendous. Like incredibly, terribly bad. It has no effect on this situation because you're turning a freighter, you have a good 10+ seconds between any click you make and it actually taking a noticeable effect. If someone can't focus on that and a conversation they may have more serious issues than having a freighter be bumped.

On January 22 2013 09:55 SayGen wrote:
6) People are dumb, once a target warps off it's amazing how many are too stupid to chase you. Yes a gate is preferred over any other object (unless you're in a system with a dock). Don't see your point. Warping anywhere is better than a warp to nowhere.


We learned people are dumb today when you got away. The point I was making is that you are praying for your opponent to be dumb. Which is what I said. This does not reflect on any action you take since no matter which action you take if your opponent is dumb you can get away (as shown by the story you gave us.)

On January 22 2013 09:55 SayGen wrote:
7) My tone? What tone? You mean the part where I admitted to making critical mistakes and helping remind people of how to avoid them? You mean the tone that offers multiple solutions to various problems? You have me and you confused. I offer help and solutions, and rarely if ever criticize. If I should be praised for anything, and I don't believe I should; It should be for taking a scenario that happens often and making the best out of a shit situation. Maybe you're the give up type, but not me. Sorry bro you got me all wrong. The story was a story of luck--getting that lucky break.


If this is a scenario that happens often you may want to reevaluate what you're doing. However, you also claim that this never happens except this once, which is probably more likely (I hope). When you say things like "my freighter is better than most freighters because I have an implant" or "most people panic, but I'm awesome so I didn't" or call the person who is no worse than you a scrub repeatedly then it comes off as haughty and arrogant. Combined with the way that you state everything you did as the factually correct way to do things doesn't help much either. Cherry on top is the smack talk in the chat logs.

You also went on to talk about how you make 25m in 6 clicks. Even assuming that was an average red frog contract pay out (probably closer to 10m unless they raised prices...) then you still have to do 25-50 trips just to make back the PLEX that you spend on your freighter account. Then again for every other account you have.
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
January 22 2013 01:40 GMT
#28393
On January 22 2013 10:03 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 09:58 SayGen wrote:
On January 22 2013 09:41 tofucake wrote:
He did a bad and a bad out badded him. We've been telling him for months that hauling is shit money and terrible and worthless, and we've done it in all sorts of ways, ie comparing L4s to hauling, exploring to hauling, killing other people to hauling, and so forth. After 2 months he posts a giant wall of text about how his AFK autopiloting freighter got bumped because he wasn't paying attention to the contracts he picked up.


I pointed out numerious times. I don't do it for GOOD money. I do it for EASY money.
L4s can not be AFK'd
Exploring can not be AFK'd

It's about clicks / isk

If you want to be helpful- tell me what the easiest way is to AFK isk for the least amount of effort/attention.
so I can spend my time doing other non PVE related activies. I'll be all ears and happy to hear you out.

System called (I think) Ihakana or something. Get an ishtar. Put on an afterburner, LSEs, kin and ther hardeners and a lot of drone damage amps. Go into one of the cosmos static plexes that constantly respawn rats. Launch your sentries and orbit a can.

Seriously.


They patched that
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
January 22 2013 01:41 GMT
#28394
On January 22 2013 10:39 Sylvex wrote:
I tried to make this more constructive and no doubt failed horribly at that.

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 10:08 Firebolt145 wrote:
On January 22 2013 10:04 Sylvex wrote:
I am not trying to be old hatchery elitist here, but at the same time I don't think people are comfortable with letting the TL EVE community, or whats left of it, devolve into E-Uni level badness.

When did doing that require being a massive dick? Because that's honestly what that post was.


When he ignored the months of us trying to teach him.

And? What does that have to do with anything? If he's ignoring you guys, he's hurting himself, not you guys. It does not warrant going on a rant at him.
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Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
January 22 2013 01:51 GMT
#28395
Let's just all be friends and realize we are on page (1)#420
Serious Business
winsause
Profile Joined March 2011
United States65 Posts
January 22 2013 02:43 GMT
#28396
I like you Johnny
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 03:56:17
January 22 2013 03:00 GMT
#28397
For one you left out skills and implants that would affect what you were doing (NN-605, Advanced spaceship command), so apparently you don't actually know. For two, how often is an align time of 35 seconds going to save you over an align time of 38 seconds? Similarly how often is 126 m/s going to make a difference over 120 m/s. It's the fact that I do know how to "add safety" to a freighter, and while it doesn't hurt it certainly isn't going to affect the outcome of the situation you're describing 95% of the time.


NN-605 is probably better than my 18% warp speed since most of my 'flight time' is crossing the 15km toward whatever gate my freighter is approaching. However, the implant you listed wasn't even the ideal one. +8% to velocity is the best one.

My APM is absolutely horrendous. Like incredibly, terribly bad. It has no effect on this situation because you're turning a freighter, you have a good 10+ seconds between any click you make and it actually taking a noticeable effect. If someone can't focus on that and a conversation they may have more serious issues than having a freighter be bumped.


Typing, making course changes based on the directing the bumping ship is headed, informing the RFF directors about your situation, may be too much for some. I agree it shouldn't be. No argument.


We learned people are dumb today when you got away. The point I was making is that you are praying for your opponent to be dumb. Which is what I said. This does not reflect on any action you take since no matter which action you take if your opponent is dumb you can get away (as shown by the story you gave us.)


I wasn't praying for my oppoenent to be dumb. I was doing what little I could to get away. It just so happened the bumper was a baddie. Again- i've already said it was luck that I got away. However that being said- there are actions you can take being bumped to give you a shot on getting away. Will those 'tactics' save you against a competent bumper- no of course not, but then again I never said they would.


If this is a scenario that happens often you may want to reevaluate what you're doing. However, you also claim that this never happens except this once, which is probably more likely (I hope). When you say things like "my freighter is better than most freighters because I have an implant" or "most people panic, but I'm awesome so I didn't" or call the person who is no worse than you a scrub repeatedly then it comes off as haughty and arrogant. Combined with the way that you state everything you did as the factually correct way to do things doesn't help much either. Cherry on top is the smack talk in the chat logs.

You also went on to talk about how you make 25m in 6 clicks. Even assuming that was an average red frog contract pay out (probably closer to 10m unless they raised prices...) then you still have to do 25-50 trips just to make back the PLEX that you spend on your freighter account. Then again for every other account you have.


Bumping does happen 'often' (a relative term) but this was my 1st and only bump. Supose I should of clarified that better.
My freighter is better than most. It's a factual statement. I'm not going to suggest people put SP and implants into a bad setup. I am very confident in my freighter set up. It's very optomized and getting better every day. Alot of PVErs do panic anytime a ship is about go to boom. I'm trying to encourage them through my example it's better to stay calm and if you stay calm maybe with a little luck you will live. They are extra risk adverse and what not. Soon my freighter will be 'perfect' from a SP perspective and I'll be able to create a brand new character on said account and train it to do whatever I see fit. Free character- sounds good to me. Also my isk/hour isn't even close to 10m. I don't have to exergate- read again. 25m in 8 clicks-total AFK. If I wanted more money I'd do the ATK FW stuff--which I have done before, very successfully. Also not hard to do 8-12 trips a day weekday and 25+ weekends.

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Invol2ver
Profile Joined September 2010
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-22 03:01:33
January 22 2013 03:01 GMT
#28398
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2013 07:10 SayGen wrote:
My bumping story:

As some of you know one of my alts is a Red Frog Freight member that I use to AFK (Auto Pilot) to make a little money on the side. I use this alt to plex my accounts and fund my other pursuits. I'm also writing this @ some of the other Red Frog pilots so they can have a clue about what is going on. So, to my two audiences-- Let's begin.

Bumping (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bumping) is most common at the U and N gates, as it is a high traffic route that only has .5 sec status (Slowest CONCORD intervention). I had a project I needed to do this morning and was about to go get some supplies for the project and didn't pay attention to what was going on around me. I quickly grabbed the longest trip I could from Jita and hit AP and left the house. Most RF pilots know how important it is to check your cargo as many of our customers are too stupid (no offense, but let's be honest- and call a duck a duck) to have the appropriate collateral attached to their contracts. Under shooting collateral is a very common occurrence. This common occurrence is made exponentially worse when dealing with Blueprints which the in-game mechanics of evaluation are rarely correct. To be fair, I knew better than not to check my cargo and should take my part in the blame as to why this even happened. I was in a rush and wanted to get done with what I had to do so it is what it is and I made my way out of Jita. While my freighter was off making money for me I was shopping. Luckily for me I found what I was looking for right away and was able to return home sooner than expected. Upon my return I went to go load the previous nights SC2 Proleague VODS (Go Esports!) when I saw something was off. I look over at my 2nd CPU and notice I wasn't aligned to the stargate- I switched my focus just in time to see a Mach bum rushing my freighter. I knew at once what was going on. I was being bumped. I knew how important the next few seconds would be. Either I was going to get kicked 150km+ off the gate guns and blown to bits or I was going to stay calm, focus'd, and make my escape.

I was very lucky that there were only a few ships that were taking part in the bumping process. There was 2 on-grid that had hostile intent, one nub ship and one mach. My original plan was to burn hard toward the gate and hit the 2500m threshold before getting fully derailed from my course. I had at this time only been hit 2 times and still had a strong likelihood of hitting the gate. I have alot of things working in my favor at this point. This character is a professional freighter meaning I have all my efforts put into making it the safest/most efficient freighter possible- in contrast to the many EvE players who have a freighter that they just trained for the bare minimums. Briefly the advantages are- Implant #7 Eifyr and Co. 'Rouge' Evasive Maneuvering EM-705 (the 2nd best money can buy[only outdone by the EM-706]) Navigation V, Evasive Man V., Min. Freighter IV (working towards V) and of course the Fenrir--The best freighter for Red Frog purposes. When it comes to freighters speed is everything. Your tank means nothing- even if they don't kill you in N or U they will hop in thrashers and finish you off in the next system before you can jump to a dock. Speed is all that matters. My speed is what got me really close to the gate, I was 3400m before the derail occurred and started pushing me away from the gate. I really thought I was going to get to 2500m before the next bump and was so confident I even celebrated in RF contracts saying I was going to get away. Mistake #2 on my part. The initial bumps do not derail you as your momentum still carries you toward the gate. Bumps 3 and above are the ones that can seal your fate.

At this time, Plan A has failed. I will not make it to the gate. When plan A fails most freighters panic and make self defeating decisions. Time and time again, you see pilots just spam 'jump' on the gate-- this will always fail-- do not attempt to do that. Instead hopefully your UI object display is on (Shift+Alt+X) and you can look into space and find objects on screen that otherwise wouldn't be shown.
You should always use the bumps to your advantage. The bumper in my situation was Norri Matora a scrub who had no clue what s/he was doing. This next part is very important. Situation awareness is what separates the 99% from the 1%. When bumped after the initial derail occurs you will be headed near full speed away from the gate. Attempting to return to the gate will only slow down your ship and slightly turn it. Basically you aren't moving in a new direction- but are on the same path. Bumping you when you are spamming 'jump' 'jump' is childsplay- and no doubt what the scrub Norri Matora was used to. I had a different strategy. My plan was to quickly assess the nearest object that was 150km+ (min. warp range) that would give me the fastest align. The scrub Norri Matora had no clue what was about to happen next.

Before I continue let me be very clear, bumping is not a quick thing- it takes time to bump a freighter- I want to stress that to all you would be panicers out there. You have time in between bumps to do alot of things. One- Alert RF contracts that you are being bumped; State location (system and nearest gate) as well as who is bumping you. Also odds are your bumper will convo you. Don't waste time convo'ing that person, but if s/he wants to have a conversation by all means oblige. The latter occurred, and I was not at all surprised about what happened in the convo. The situation was repointed out to me (as If I didn't already know):

[ 2013.01.21 18:31:24 ] Norri Matora > hello
[ 2013.01.21 18:31:42 ] Norri Matora > as you can see, i have you bumped
[ 2013.01.21 18:31:47 ] Korhal SayGen > i c
[ 2013.01.21 18:31:56 ] Norri Matora > would you like to negotiate for your release?
[ 2013.01.21 18:32:12 ] Korhal SayGen > sorry not allowed- i'm red frog
[ 2013.01.21 18:32:42 ] Norri Matora > well, i'd seriously consider it
[ 2013.01.21 18:32:51 ] Norri Matora > considering you're carrying 3.4B and ship
[ 2013.01.21 18:33:12 ] Norri Matora > you are now aggressed
[ 2013.01.21 18:33:15 ] Norri Matora > so don't even bother logging off
[ 2013.01.21 18:33:23 ] Korhal SayGen > do what u gotta do bro
[ 2013.01.21 18:33:55 ] Korhal SayGen > I am Red Frog, and we do not negotiate with terrorists.
[ 2013.01.21 18:34:21 ] Korhal SayGen > Bump much?

While I'm letting him talk and waste time I am carefully putting plan B into action. (note: Do not talk when you are making adjustments to your course, My APM allows me to do multiple things, but talking is the last priority--escape is #1).


The resolution. While I located an object (the Haa gate) The bumping continued. The scrub bumper didn't think to check the direction s/he was bumping me. S/he was so focused on getting me away from the Silv. gate that no attention was paid where my forward moment was about to point me. As I've already stated the most important thing is speed, and here's why. Once I found the Haa in my line of sight-about 30-35 degrees from the direction of my forward momentum. I didn't immediately spam warp/jump. Instead I made sure I used manual piloting (Very important skill to understand the mechanics of) to keep my maximum velocity (or as much of it as I could) while slowly arching to the Haa gate. The scrub Norri had no idea how to manual pilot the mach and not once, not twice--but 3 times missed a bump. The Fenrir is the fastest freighter with the best agility-and my skill points and implants made it all the better. Norri being the scrub that s/he is only knew how to push 'Approach' so when the bump was about to occur my speed allowed my freighter to clear the point of impact and Norri undershot me again and again. Norri-the-scrub should of known that a bump is best done with manual piloting and you aim at the front of the ship you want to bump so when impact is about to happen you hit center mass. Norri-the-scrub used the 'approach' command which auto aims for the center mass, so the actual impact hits behind center mass. The angle actually made it easier to align to Haa gate as the tail impact turned my vessel ever so slightly, without lowering my velocity by much, to my intended target. A couple missed bumps and one bump that did more good than harm was all I needed. My target was insight and I was 65% max velocity and I spammed 'jump' and right before another bump came into play I was watching stars fly past. All I gotta say is:

[ 2013.01.21 18:34:21 ] Korhal SayGen > Bump much?

Lessons learned: One- Always check your cargo hold and try to familiarize yourself with the value of cargo items. This is especially true for Blueprints of BS which can easily amount to several billion.
Two: Don't be over confident. I thought my Plan A was going to be successful- so much in so I claimed I was about to escape in RF contracts- when in reality I should of been working on a plan B much sooner.
Three: Norri might be a scrub- but had the same situation occurred with another Mach present or other support ships, I would be dead right now. I was lucky my piloting skills and game knowledge were superior to my adversary.

Additional things to consider. At no time did I ever see a group of suicide ships ready to open fire on my freighter- it is entirely possible the entire bumping process was a bluff attempt to secure funds from me. When someone asks you to negotiate terms and there is no visible threat- do not assume they can back up what they say. Again-- Situational Awareness separates the 99% from the 1%.
Also consider this: When you are 1st being bumped-press Esc choose safe logout and go to your contract alt- and ask for help getting eyes on your freighter. If your ship is non-aggro'd your freighter will magically disappear.
Most days as a freighter are boring- every now and then they are epic.



Oh. My. God.
Losing money is less good than making it, confirm?
Johnny Business
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Canada4211 Posts
January 22 2013 03:18 GMT
#28400
Ok.....

How much isk did you invest into this? Not just the isk for the freightor and implants, but also the plex costs of the character you're using to freight stuff?

What if you put that isk onto a shitty trade alt, and simply updated buy/sell orders in a trading hub (not jita) instead? I can guarantee that you can get more isk/click with that much isk invested if you know what you are doing.....

Seriously, hauling is absolute shit. You're losing isk by doing it, not making it, because you could have been getting a better return by doing other things with the isk you invested.....
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