[Tengu, fw]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I
Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I

Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
EM Ward Field II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening

Talon Alpha
Talon Beta
Talon Gamma
Talon Delta
Talon Epsilon
Talon Omega
Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-705
Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link
Zainou 'Snapshot' Light Missiles LM-905
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005

155 sensor strength, flying death to frigates, 361 kin dps (enough). You can switch a lowslot eccm for a nano and a polycarb for a range rig to taste and a bunch of other changes as the RLM give you a fair bit of fitting room you wouldn't otherwise have. Downgrades to the AB create even more room if desired. Equally you can switch the EM ward field to a midslot eccm and then just go nuts with the rigs and lowslots but if you want to be able to survive in PvP it's kinda vital to have some kind of EM plug.

unsniped

United States241 Posts

January 08 2013 19:29 GMT

#27987

What is that guy's range? Hml is about 70

KwarK

United States43936 Posts

January 08 2013 19:33 GMT

#27988

42km, that can be enhanced with rigs and implants if you want or you can just fly close to everything because 100mn AB tengu. I think the 100mn AB is very valuable when being shot at by caldari but it takes a lot of grid which is why I like the RLM downgrade. You want to squeeze on the AB, damage, all the usual pvp mods and somehow also have ECCM, something has to give. RLM downgrade removes a lot of the need for rigors/router rigs/multiple webs which frees up space for ECCM that you would not otherwise have. HLM will result in either weakness against pvpers (I'd not really like to be single web HML vs frigs since then nerf) or something that turns like a brick and goes slow or something with massive EM holes or whatever.

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34503 Posts

January 08 2013 20:15 GMT

#27989

Is that your pvp fit as well? Do the polycarbs compensate for the lack of nanos?

Impervious

Canada4217 Posts

January 08 2013 20:16 GMT

#27990

Are the talons really going to be necessary? Is the ECM really that heavy in FW missions?

unsniped

United States241 Posts

January 08 2013 20:23 GMT

#27991

If you go eccm, talons arent necessary. If no eccm, need talons...at least low grade.

KwarK

United States43936 Posts

January 08 2013 20:23 GMT

#27992

Talons are cheap and should be considered anyway for a tengu, definitely used in fw missions. Polycarbs < nanos obviously but it can still move and single web RLM is very capable of defending itself. If you want to be safe without wanting to PvP you can drop the disruptor for a midslot eccm and then go two nanos in the lows and go for missile range or something in the rigs.You could even replace the lows with a signal amp and a warp core stab if you felt keen.

KwarK

United States43936 Posts

January 08 2013 20:26 GMT

#27993

I would feel very uneasy about potential pvp threats while in a fw mission without a lot of sensor strength because a jam at the wrong time, and they do happen, could make things very ugly. FW missions are jammy, I tried doing some vs caldari in a tengu with a midslot eccm and still got jammed a lot.

Shootemup.

United States1044 Posts

January 08 2013 20:31 GMT

#27994

I would assume that a normal PvP HML Tengu would be fine if you use Talons. With HG Talons and the Caldari ECCM skill to IV I get ~71 sensor strength. The extra DPS from the HMLs will help a lot in missions where you are killing active tanking BSes, and if 71 sensor strength is enough I don't see the need to go with RLMLs. I haven't run any missions against Caldari so I don't know how much you get jammed, someone with experience will have to weigh in on that.

KwarK

United States43936 Posts

January 08 2013 20:33 GMT

#27995

That's pretty much what I tried tango, it did fuck all dps because of the HML nerf and whenever I got jammed (had dissolution + midslot eccm rather than talons) the bs rats were back at full health. You grind them down so slowly that you cannot afford to be jammed in a tengu.

Shootemup.

United States1044 Posts

January 08 2013 20:41 GMT

#27996

On January 09 2013 05:33 KwarK wrote:
That's pretty much what I tried tango, it did fuck all dps because of the HML nerf and whenever I got jammed (had dissolution + midslot eccm rather than talons) the bs rats were back at full health. You grind them down so slowly that you cannot afford to be jammed in a tengu.

Maybe midslot ECCM plus talons? If DPS is the problem with HMLs then using RLMLs won't help, they still do less DPS to BS sized targets.

Body_Shield

Canada3368 Posts

January 08 2013 20:47 GMT

#27997

First Solo kill:
http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9663421

Second Solo kill:
http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10116686

nonentity

160 Posts

January 08 2013 21:00 GMT

#27998

My first kill ever which was also a solo kill by tawa suyo aged 2 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours and 37 minutes

http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10251494

Apparently even my character creation was heralded by node crashes across new eden...

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34503 Posts

January 08 2013 21:08 GMT

#27999

First solo kill: http://firebolt145.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8564229

Second solo kill: http://firebolt145.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8722695

Shootemup.

United States1044 Posts

January 08 2013 21:54 GMT

#28000

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191595

First wave of potential BC changes. The Harb didn't lose a midslot like I thought it would, it instead lost a high and a turret slot, but it gains a +10% damage per level instead of 5%, so it actually gains a little dps. The Drake isn't changed all that much, it gets an EHP and cap nerf, and the Cyclone's split weapon systems are switched from primarily turrets with some missiles to primarily missiles with some turrets. I wish CCP would just get rid of split weapon systems already.