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rob3dj
39 Posts
On January 24 2009 08:22 Roxen000 wrote: Is anyone else finding some REALLY laggy 3v3 games? To the point where you can barely play? =S Nope, try turning your graphics down. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On January 24 2009 08:22 Roxen000 wrote: Is anyone else finding some REALLY laggy 3v3 games? To the point where you can barely play? =S If your connection doesnt suck and your FPS is fine then it's because somebody else is lagging and causing everyone to lag. Usually if the game lags from the start somebody will drop early. Only once out of 20 or so games so far has it lagged the entire game and nobody was dropped. | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
On January 23 2009 19:19 Manit0u wrote: @ Phyre: I didn't get to play the game yet but isn't it that if you win several battles and capture whole map, then reach maximum pop that enemy is screwed? I mean, it doesn't matter if he can get up to max pop too really since you can just win any battle with superior control/decisionmaking and stuff like that? (+ you should be able to reinforce/buyback faster due to better economy) Superior control and decision making did let me win my games but my point was that I think it should get easier since I've achieved such a large advantage. In SC if I had a similar situation where I had 90% of the map and won a few major battles it would simply be a matter of playing safe and waiting for the opponent to GG or you go in to finish him off. In this game I could give the opponent most of the map and retreat (with the handy dandy "get out of anything" card called the retreat button) from most battles and still have a pretty damn good shot at beating him in a straight up fight later in the game. Like I said before, I don't feel like advantages add up like they do in other RTS's. As for reinforce/buying back due to a better economy, I personally haven't noticed. Simply having your main base does give a trickle of resources for free which seem like plenty to simply reinforce your squads now and then. Also, you can't reinforce on the field anymore. You can only reinforce at your main HQ. In DoW1 if I had the whole map I could practically a-move an opponent to death by just overwatching all my production buildings and reinforce on my squads and steamroll him with my superior econ. After spending a good portion of today playing some test games against the comp though I'm finding that to solidify your advantage you don't really do it with unit numbers so much as upgrades and veterancy. After I've maxed out I sink the remainder of my resources into upgrades/wargear and it seems to give me that advantage I was looking for. I'm still getting used to it. I wish I had some numbers on how much of a boost veterancy gives my units. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On January 24 2009 10:58 Phyre wrote: Superior control and decision making did let me win my games but my point was that I think it should get easier since I've achieved such a large advantage. In SC if I had a similar situation where I had 90% of the map and won a few major battles it would simply be a matter of playing safe and waiting for the opponent to GG or you go in to finish him off. In this game I could give the opponent most of the map and retreat (with the handy dandy "get out of anything" card called the retreat button) from most battles and still have a pretty damn good shot at beating him in a straight up fight later in the game. Like I said before, I don't feel like advantages add up like they do in other RTS's. As for reinforce/buying back due to a better economy, I personally haven't noticed. Simply having your main base does give a trickle of resources for free which seem like plenty to simply reinforce your squads now and then. Also, you can't reinforce on the field anymore. You can only reinforce at your main HQ. In DoW1 if I had the whole map I could practically a-move an opponent to death by just overwatching all my production buildings and reinforce on my squads and steamroll him with my superior econ. After spending a good portion of today playing some test games against the comp though I'm finding that to solidify your advantage you don't really do it with unit numbers so much as upgrades and veterancy. After I've maxed out I sink the remainder of my resources into upgrades/wargear and it seems to give me that advantage I was looking for. I'm still getting used to it. I wish I had some numbers on how much of a boost veterancy gives my units. I think you're nitpicking and I can't really work out what you're complaining about. If you play the game on take and hold, as it's designed to be played, then you never get close to maxing anyway. I've played probably 50 games and never maxed. It's a non-issue. I wonder what their priorities are, because I really like this game at the moment. If they stick with these 4 races and really balance them properly then I reckon it could have a real following and potentially a competitive scene. But I don't know if I want to commit my time to this when they might just churn out a bunch of weak expansion packs and ruin the game. | ||
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Tiamat
United States498 Posts
I'd really like a report on the mulitplayer lobby and the netcode of DOW2 One of the things that killed COH and DOW imo was the horrible netcode and gamespy match making systems. People would drop all the time and in order to find a match in DOW you had to wait sometimes 5 minutes to get into a game, even though you the auto match maker found 2/2 people to play. it was really annoying. Other than that, if this game is like COH then it will be a good game (provided you can mirror match) Mora, please make sure the developers also clean up the ToolTips on all the abililties. Both COH and DOW had horrible tooltips and some of them were just plain wrong. More information is always better. For example... ToolTip1 = Damage Upgrade for Space Marine. ToolTip2 = Damage upgrade for the basic space marine attack. ToolTip2 is clearly better because it tells you exactly what the upgrade does. DOW had all kinds of these problems. For example the dakka dakka upgrade was for your basic shoota weapon, banners etc. but the Blastier upgrade also greatly increased the basic shoota weapon, and was the better of the two, but the tooltip doesnt really tell you that. rant off | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
One of the things that killed COH and DOW imo was the horrible netcode and gamespy match making systems. People would drop all the time and in order to find a match in DOW you had to wait sometimes 5 minutes to get into a game, even though you the auto match maker found 2/2 people to play. it was really annoying. People drop a decent bit.. maybe once every... 5 games? I'm not sure. I've never dropped and none of the people from TL that I've played with have dropped tho, so it's probably an issue on THEIR ends and not the game. The 2/2 people to play but no game = still there, still annoying (didn't play CoH so for me I guess it's just annoying for the first time). You can mirror match. There is NO lobby at all at the moment, I've complained about that at the DoW2 forums ( http://community.dawnofwar2.com ) and hopefully I'll get a response. On January 24 2009 07:55 LordofToast wrote: Nah I hope they add a new race with the expansion. The forces of Chaos are really missing from this game. With the new hero system they would be awesome. Yeah even as someone who barely played the first game I did find myself missing them a little bit  | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
On January 24 2009 11:24 Klive5ive wrote: I think you're nitpicking and I can't really work out what you're complaining about. If you play the game on take and hold, as it's designed to be played, then you never get close to maxing anyway. I've played probably 50 games and never maxed. It's a non-issue. I wonder what their priorities are, because I really like this game at the moment. If they stick with these 4 races and really balance them properly then I reckon it could have a real following and potentially a competitive scene. But I don't know if I want to commit my time to this when they might just churn out a bunch of weak expansion packs and ruin the game. Yeah, my gripe about the low pop cap really only applies to Annihilation mode. Been playing only Victory Point games as of late and it really does remove that problem. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17665 Posts
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LordofToast
United Kingdom250 Posts
A dev commentary on a 3v3 game. A good watch if you're curious what DoW2 is about. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
 Because it was so one-sided (btw if anyone is confused: you don't have to all be the same race on a team). | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17665 Posts
29th is oficial beta release? | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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[-Bluewolf-]
United States609 Posts
Countdown located at: http://store.steampowered.com/app/15660/ | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=212660 I never really stopped to look closely at the amount of req you get from RPs but after looking over the numbers that were posted my earlier feelings about map control not conferring much advantage seem to make more sense. If I'm reading their numbers right, you could have all the points on the map and the increase in resources over what your nigh invincible HQ starts you off with is near negligible. You get +264 req/minute from your HQ, you get +11 req per RP you control. With around 8 RPs tops on a map, that doesn't seem like much. Sort of like making a Starcraft map where you had a FMP main and all other expos had 4 min patches or something. They do give your a benefit but it's very very slight. | ||
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lightman
United States731 Posts
a bit offtopic but I know you're somewhat related to relic. I was into COH big time, me and my partner were really into it playing good 2v2 -both of us decent bw players, b2,b3 from good ol wgt days-. and I can say we beat almost all upper ties axis and could hold our own aagins the say top 10. our BIG probmel with COH is the fucking RELIC SERVER. countless times we got to level 10, level 11, with nice streaks and else, only to get robbed in a game where a pair of IDIOTS level 1 or 2 got into it with either some insane motherfucking lag from motherfucking hell, or they disc and beat the crap out of our statts sending us to level 7 back again in just 1 loss ?? in frustration we eventually quit playing it about 4 months ago...... is this still going on in relic server ??? | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
we're constantly trying to improve the efficiency and stability of our servers. As to the matchmaking, the only reason you should be matched up with some with that great a disparity in levels is because you've been searching for a long time and it finally seeded you with someone. This occurs because of a small player pool. That being said, there are more people on COH than ever before, so it should happen less often. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
) and for whatever reason the hotkey for the Scout Squad didn't work, or at least I don't think it did..Just to make sure, before I report it as a bug, the hotkey IS G right? Because it's a bit hard to tell since it blends into the portrait of the unit >_< | ||
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fOrQQ
Hong Kong321 Posts
Mobile Intel 965 Express Chipset Family (integrated) Approx. Total Memory: 358MB | ||
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feathers
United States236 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
But somehow Veterancy in DOW2 is very cool, it definitely adds an interesting dimension to the gameplay. It is a shame there's no exact number, but I'm guessing someone will work that out. I'm just sort of beginning to factor veterancy into my play, particularly when it comes to Banshees and Assault Marines. Those are two squads you simply cannot let level. Earlier I lost a game against a Marine player... purely because his AMs leveled a few times. But 5 minutes ago I played this epic game against an Orc player. Although I thought Orcs were weak when I first played, now I've flipped 180 and I reckon they are the most powerful! They just never stop attacking. I was definitely behind. (Guardians just don't stand a chance against Orcs) But luckily I'd recently changed my build and was making 1 squad of banshees before tier2. At one point he had all 3 victory points, but he just didn't deal with the banshees effectively. He raped my free warp spiders (lot's of people on DOW2 forums say WS are imbalanced, I think they're weak!) all my guardians and weapons platforms so all I had left was the banshees. Anyway when my first falcon tank came out my Banshees had hit Level 4. At which point no size of Orc army could deal with them! At the end he charged a full new nob group, his Warboss and 3-4 groups of other shit into them. But 2falcons, my banshees and my commander tore them apart and I won the game with about 34 VPs left xD It was awesome. (by the way does anyone know if there's a way to save replays?) | ||
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