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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On June 18 2010 21:29 Goshawk. wrote: You love being bad? O_o Yes predicting an easy lane and using a squishy but abusive build to beat it is totally bad. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On June 18 2010 21:36 Goshawk. wrote: Ya, +9 damage is abusable. Did you just miss the discussion about how you have to beat SS at level one with last hit/aggressiveness? Punchdagger first will compound your base damage advantage to the point where they won't be able to get a single creep without razes, then allow you to get a quick phase boots to keep them out of the lane with aggression, as well as stopping their raze farm because you should get every rune. If you would like, I'll lane against your soulstealer with a comparable mid hero of your choice to show you how abusive it can be.  | ||
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DevAzTaYtA
Oman2005 Posts
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On June 18 2010 22:24 DevAzTaYtA wrote: you do realize you can get that +9 damage cheaper by going stats items right? Duh Like I said, the point of the punchdagger is to rush phase boots, which allows you to dominate the lane and runes much earlier than normal against SS, (which as Im sure you know is important against ss). It's not something I would do against someone good, which I also said already. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
On June 18 2010 21:39 Butigroove wrote: Did you just miss the discussion about how you have to beat SS at level one with last hit/aggressiveness? Punchdagger first will compound your base damage advantage to the point where they won't be able to get a single creep without razes, then allow you to get a quick phase boots to keep them out of the lane with aggression, as well as stopping their raze farm because you should get every rune. If you would like, I'll lane against your soulstealer with a comparable mid hero of your choice to show you how abusive it can be. Punchdagger gives you +9 damage and that's it. His starting items give +8 damage, as well as +8 agil, +2 str, +2 intel, plus he has twice the amount of regen than you. Have fun vs his damage+razes. Dunno how bad they must be not to get any creeps without razes. -_- Ya, I know you said you liked doing it vs bad players. Don't have a hon account anymore so can't laugh at you sorry. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On June 18 2010 22:41 Goshawk. wrote: Punchdagger gives you +9 damage and that's it. His starting items give +8 damage, as well as +8 agil, +2 str, +2 intel, plus he has twice the amount of regen than you. Have fun vs his damage+razes. Dunno how bad they must be not to get any creeps without razes. -_- Ya, I know you said you liked doing it vs bad players. Don't have a hon account anymore so can't laugh at you sorry. 8 attack speed 40 hp and 26 mana aren't substantial enough differences to stop you from outfarming him early game, your phase boots will be a good 2+ waves faster than normal, and you can shut him down and prevent any sort of farm at all way earlier. | ||
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DevAzTaYtA
Oman2005 Posts
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On June 18 2010 22:50 Butigroove wrote: 8 attack speed 40 hp and 26 mana aren't substantial enough differences to stop you from outfarming him early game, your phase boots will be a good 2+ waves faster than normal, and you can shut him down and prevent any sort of farm at all way earlier. punch dagger first is always bad. Stat items and regen are better always. You can say that you do more damage, but he has twice or even more than twice the regen you have, so he just right clicks you until you have to go heal while he has 200 gold more regen than you and just free farms. Soon you are even in damage and you can't farm anything because he has a bottle and equal level. He farms waves faster than you now and you can't beat him to rune because he just nukes you with his long range raze every chance he gets since you have no regen. You have to heal or waste money on more regen, putting you further behind. SS now has treads with his bottle, you will never kill him again because you don't have boots. | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
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Kenny
United States678 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22206 Posts
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
On June 19 2010 05:03 Alventenie wrote: My intent wasn't to troll good sir lmnop, it was to tell him he's bad. pretty sure he meant dev | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
Pretty sure he meant butigroove... | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
pretty sure butigrove is defending his point of view with real game experience and has been pretty specific in which scenario his build would be successful. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On June 19 2010 07:21 Etherone wrote: pretty sure butigrove is defending his point of view with real game experience and has been pretty specific in which scenario his build would be successful. That's what Elemenope basically sounded like too... he's making an intentionally inaccurate joking comparison. | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
On June 19 2010 07:23 Pokebunny wrote: That's what Elemenope basically sounded like too... he's making an intentionally inaccurate joking comparison. pretty sure you just couldn't tell the difference then and now have some blanket criteria to point out "trolls", which is inaccurate, lmnop made up numbers, situations, and even roles in lanes that didn't exist. only someone with a complete lack of understanding for what the laning phase is would look twice at his post and take it seriously. i don't say i agree with butigrove's build, but i will say that there many situations where going an unorthodox build vs a certain style of player can ultimately be better than the cookie cutter templates. An adaptive style of play is always better than a static one. | ||
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