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Gak2
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
September 30 2011 22:08 GMT
#31241
unfortunately 1v1 means nothing in this game.
Also, if it was super late game vs sand wraith, my whole team would have null stones
Theoren
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada810 Posts
October 01 2011 00:14 GMT
#31242
Did they double the amount of coins you get now after a game. I used to get 6 for a victory and 4 for a loss (+ bonuses for first blood, consecutive games, etc..) but now I'm getting 12 for a victory and 8 for a loss.
SingletonWilliam
Profile Joined April 2008
United States664 Posts
October 01 2011 00:45 GMT
#31243
On October 01 2011 09:14 Theoren wrote:
Did they double the amount of coins you get now after a game. I used to get 6 for a victory and 4 for a loss (+ bonuses for first blood, consecutive games, etc..) but now I'm getting 12 for a victory and 8 for a loss.


yes. double coin weekend.
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Toph Nasty
Profile Joined September 2011
United States15 Posts
October 01 2011 01:08 GMT
#31244
wtf double coin weekend and i can't even play because s2 doesn't know how to test patches and i can't load a mm game on my mac
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-01 02:31:13
October 01 2011 02:30 GMT
#31245
Figured I'd let everyone know i have now lost 12 games in a row, dropping from 1650 MMR to 1470. Not one have i excessively fed or been too retarded. Last game, I was playing with a group of 4, and they admonished me not to lose mid to dev as FB. I did perfect vs dev, getting tons of farm and denies, and not dying once. Too bad a geo and DL on my team managed to feed a chronos about 5 levels in front of anyone, he ending the game at about the 25 minute mark with 15 kills.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 01 2011 02:32 GMT
#31246
Great more coins I wont use.
Wish I could gift them to you all <3
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 01 2011 03:17 GMT
#31247
On October 01 2011 11:30 Sm3agol wrote:
Figured I'd let everyone know i have now lost 12 games in a row, dropping from 1650 MMR to 1470. Not one have i excessively fed or been too retarded. Last game, I was playing with a group of 4, and they admonished me not to lose mid to dev as FB. I did perfect vs dev, getting tons of farm and denies, and not dying once. Too bad a geo and DL on my team managed to feed a chronos about 5 levels in front of anyone, he ending the game at about the 25 minute mark with 15 kills.


i know what you could have done better, pick magebane and proceed to profit :D :D :D :D

i just played a game with [TL]andy something, my god you are fucking terrible and i dont understand how you are over 1700 and in their clan. truly a miserable experience
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
October 01 2011 03:39 GMT
#31248
On October 01 2011 12:17 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 11:30 Sm3agol wrote:
Figured I'd let everyone know i have now lost 12 games in a row, dropping from 1650 MMR to 1470. Not one have i excessively fed or been too retarded. Last game, I was playing with a group of 4, and they admonished me not to lose mid to dev as FB. I did perfect vs dev, getting tons of farm and denies, and not dying once. Too bad a geo and DL on my team managed to feed a chronos about 5 levels in front of anyone, he ending the game at about the 25 minute mark with 15 kills.


i know what you could have done better, pick magebane and proceed to profit :D :D :D :D

i just played a game with [TL]andy something, my god you are fucking terrible and i dont understand how you are over 1700 and in their clan. truly a miserable experience

LOL. Picking melee late game heros when you can't get past midgame without your teamates giving up 25 kills is kind of dumb. :-(
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 01 2011 03:42 GMT
#31249
Kraken is an easy hero! Play him.
Last hit creeps with your 3rd ability or harass with it.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
October 01 2011 03:57 GMT
#31250
On October 01 2011 12:42 Torte de Lini wrote:
Kraken is an easy hero! Play him.
Last hit creeps with your 3rd ability or harass with it.

Gladiator's version is much better.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
October 01 2011 03:59 GMT
#31251
On October 01 2011 12:57 Gummy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 12:42 Torte de Lini wrote:
Kraken is an easy hero! Play him.
Last hit creeps with your 3rd ability or harass with it.

Gladiator's version is much better.

glad has less hp and cannot just bitch out and run away as easily. But glad's is much better nothing like getting riftshards and assassin shroud and getting a lucky crit
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-01 04:34:27
October 01 2011 04:30 GMT
#31252
On October 01 2011 02:37 Sm3agol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 23:49 Ethenielle wrote:
A couple of pages before Smeagol tells us Magebane isn't really a hard carry because he scales so badly.

And now you just had to share your thoughts on the balance of the game with us. Hammerstorm? Overpowered? Scout? Swiftblade? I mean I know you are not a very good player and that is okay, but maybe keep this in mind yourself and refrain from commenting on balance?

I don't think I said he wasn't a hard carry, or didn't mean that, more that he doesn't scale well into super late-game. I've carried with him in quite a few games, and if you get a couple level lead and some items, he'll own face for a long time. Pair him up vs a late game hero like SW/zephyr/sb, etc, and he just doesn't have the capability to take any of them on 1 v 1 without help.

And I don't see where my level has anything to do with posting. Is there a minimum MMR rating you have to achieve before you can offer your opinion on balance? I know at my level of play, carry SB, scout, and Hammer are really common already, and quite annoying to deal with pre-patch. So I post about it, because I feel they'll be even harder to deal with now. You sit on your high horse playing over 9000 MMR games where carry hammer is terrible, and I'll sit on mine.


Wrong
Magebane scale better into super-lategame better than almost any hero
There's a different between offering your opinions on balance and constantly spewing statements that most competent people would disagree with. The "balance" of a game shouldn't be discussed at the level that you play at if scout, sb, and hammer are the most common melee carries. Its like the difference between saying "early game 2 gate pressure is really hard to hold off at my level" and "omg zealots are imbalanced now that barracks take 5 seconds longer to build"
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-01 05:06:41
October 01 2011 05:06 GMT
#31253
On October 01 2011 13:30 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 02:37 Sm3agol wrote:
On September 30 2011 23:49 Ethenielle wrote:
A couple of pages before Smeagol tells us Magebane isn't really a hard carry because he scales so badly.

And now you just had to share your thoughts on the balance of the game with us. Hammerstorm? Overpowered? Scout? Swiftblade? I mean I know you are not a very good player and that is okay, but maybe keep this in mind yourself and refrain from commenting on balance?

I don't think I said he wasn't a hard carry, or didn't mean that, more that he doesn't scale well into super late-game. I've carried with him in quite a few games, and if you get a couple level lead and some items, he'll own face for a long time. Pair him up vs a late game hero like SW/zephyr/sb, etc, and he just doesn't have the capability to take any of them on 1 v 1 without help.

And I don't see where my level has anything to do with posting. Is there a minimum MMR rating you have to achieve before you can offer your opinion on balance? I know at my level of play, carry SB, scout, and Hammer are really common already, and quite annoying to deal with pre-patch. So I post about it, because I feel they'll be even harder to deal with now. You sit on your high horse playing over 9000 MMR games where carry hammer is terrible, and I'll sit on mine.


Wrong
Magebane scale better into super-lategame better than almost any hero
There's a different between offering your opinions on balance and constantly spewing statements that most competent people would disagree with. The "balance" of a game shouldn't be discussed at the level that you play at if scout, sb, and hammer are the most common melee carries. Its like the difference between saying "early game 2 gate pressure is really hard to hold off at my level" and "omg zealots are imbalanced now that barracks take 5 seconds longer to build"

So how is a hero with no percentage based damage, no buff's to boost damage output, and not a single offensive active ability other than an ulti, better than someone like SW or DL? Not to mention multiple people have agreed with me.......
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
October 01 2011 05:14 GMT
#31254
He's one of the most efficient farmers and hardest to kill heroes in the game. TDL gets shut down by diffusal and sw doesn't scale amazingly 1v1. Add in the fact that magebane drains all of your mana innately, you can't really stop him once he has huge farm. I'm not saying hes unstoppable, but out of sw tdl and mage you will have a stronger game with magebane as he is harder to gank, easier to farm with, and overall more versatile.
Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
October 01 2011 05:17 GMT
#31255
On October 01 2011 13:30 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 02:37 Sm3agol wrote:
On September 30 2011 23:49 Ethenielle wrote:
A couple of pages before Smeagol tells us Magebane isn't really a hard carry because he scales so badly.

And now you just had to share your thoughts on the balance of the game with us. Hammerstorm? Overpowered? Scout? Swiftblade? I mean I know you are not a very good player and that is okay, but maybe keep this in mind yourself and refrain from commenting on balance?

I don't think I said he wasn't a hard carry, or didn't mean that, more that he doesn't scale well into super late-game. I've carried with him in quite a few games, and if you get a couple level lead and some items, he'll own face for a long time. Pair him up vs a late game hero like SW/zephyr/sb, etc, and he just doesn't have the capability to take any of them on 1 v 1 without help.

And I don't see where my level has anything to do with posting. Is there a minimum MMR rating you have to achieve before you can offer your opinion on balance? I know at my level of play, carry SB, scout, and Hammer are really common already, and quite annoying to deal with pre-patch. So I post about it, because I feel they'll be even harder to deal with now. You sit on your high horse playing over 9000 MMR games where carry hammer is terrible, and I'll sit on mine.


Wrong
Magebane scale better into super-lategame better than almost any hero
There's a different between offering your opinions on balance and constantly spewing statements that most competent people would disagree with. The "balance" of a game shouldn't be discussed at the level that you play at if scout, sb, and hammer are the most common melee carries. Its like the difference between saying "early game 2 gate pressure is really hard to hold off at my level" and "omg zealots are imbalanced now that barracks take 5 seconds longer to build"



Magebane probably scales worse than heroes like DL, Scout, Madman and Predator. The only good thing is he has a blink, that's about it, but whats it actually worth when you have no built in crit or percentage damage? The only reason why we see Anti-Mage in dota meta is because he has the most damage output during early-mid game where teams like to try and end the game there, otherwise if you're trying to play for late game then magebane should not be your first choice. For an example watch Chu's 1k (I believe it was 1k) creep score magebane loss. He was literally full on items and still lost to the other team.
im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
October 01 2011 05:20 GMT
#31256
1.45 base attack speed
fastest farm in the game with runed
nearly impossible to kill or escape from with blink
aura that completely rapes support
one of the most destructive ultis in the game in terms of burst dmg

I don't think a single person would agree that magebane isn't one of the hardest carries in the game
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
October 01 2011 05:30 GMT
#31257
I don't think a single person would agree that magebane isn't one of the hardest carries in the game


^ If you want proof look up the game where I think it was Sniperdad420 on Magebane broke 800gpm in a serious tourney game.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 01 2011 05:40 GMT
#31258
On October 01 2011 12:57 Gummy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 12:42 Torte de Lini wrote:
Kraken is an easy hero! Play him.
Last hit creeps with your 3rd ability or harass with it.

Gladiator's version is much better.


Kraken is easier survivability
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
ObserverSix2One
Profile Joined February 2011
Israel115 Posts
October 01 2011 06:16 GMT
#31259
OK seriously I need help, yesterday when patch 2.2.0 came up I downloaded it, once it finished downloading it started installing and crushed at the same moment, I tried to go to the Heroes of Newerth forums to complain, but couldn't for some reason, so I just tried to reinstall HoN and everything worked fine.
Today I wake up and try to enter HoN, but wait there is a new patch with 7 files in it, I download it and again, the moment I start installing I get a crush. I try again to write in the HoN forums but apparently - as I found out - the registration to the HoN forums is closed.
I try to save the crush report to maybe show it to someone here but it saves the file as ".dmp" and when I open it as .txt I get something unreadable.
I am now reinstalling... again, it will probably work... until the next patch, which is next week, and then I will have to reinstall again, which is fucking ridiculous, so if anyone can help in someway, maybe copy paste my message to the HoN forums or something, I'll be thankful.
I'm not a Vampire.
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
October 01 2011 09:30 GMT
#31260
On October 01 2011 14:40 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 12:57 Gummy wrote:
On October 01 2011 12:42 Torte de Lini wrote:
Kraken is an easy hero! Play him.
Last hit creeps with your 3rd ability or harass with it.

Gladiator's version is much better.


Kraken is easier survivability

Gladiator is 21+2.7/lv with 2.8 base armor (14% reduction).
Kraken is 22 + 3/level with 2.2 base armor (11% reduction).

In terms of in lane survivability, unless you're eating a lot of stuns, there's not that big of a difference. The key advantage for kraken in the laning phase is the tsunami. That shit is a great stun and a great escape mechanism. Arena is also an okay escape mechanism, and one point in it can save your ass in a 1v1 chase situation, and is not nearly as effective in a 2+ v1.

In normal laning conditions, however, I would typically take gladiator over kraken by a hair. Kraken obviously has the more reliable ult, however, in the midgame.

They're very different heroes later on, but in terms of melee heroes with lane presence these two are very similar. Flagellation is obviously better in the lane phase though.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
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