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On August 02 2011 13:44 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 13:39 Kupon3ss wrote:On August 02 2011 13:21 semantics wrote:On August 02 2011 13:18 GazeRocker wrote:On August 02 2011 13:12 semantics wrote:
1 million can be alot or very little depending on what value normally spends so just putting that up as a form of psudo advertisement means nothing i mean the nation wide commercials for portal 2 probably cost them that for developing the commercial and running it for like 2 weeks+ in semi prime time spots on several cable networks including the shit ton of advertisement on cartoon network. 1 million may seem like alot to a small company like riot or s2 but to value it's cup cakes. If they can pull in the user base it's a worth while investment. Yea, you are correct in a sense to Valve themselves the prize money is not a lot lol... but when you benchmark this prize money to previously held DotA competitions (even those in China i think)...this amount is pretty insane LOL... But it's not the same, this is a closed group competing in something that as far as qualifiers go, was did we invite you to test our game. It's not the same as something say evo, the money is great because they are just using that large number to grab headlines, but the prestige is not there i mean in the end can you call team X world champions to a game that isn't even out? How hallow does that means when it's world champions between like 10. people that played the game or w.e The teams are the best in the world at dota, thus, since dota 2 is almost a direct port, they'd be presumed best at dota 2 If blizzard released SC2 beta only to top Korean teams and we had say a showmatch b4 the release of SC2 with Flash Bisu Jaedong Stork and the winner is crowned "King of SC2", would anybody really argue with that? Yes they would they only beat a small select it wasn't a real tournament like osl or msl there was no qualifiers etc hosted by blizzard nothing for players to aspire for. Do we call the winners of Blizzcon best SC player in the world? No it's not a real tournament it's just hype for blizzcon so people think blizzard.
invitational, determined by results and notoriety whats the issue? the team pool for dota isnt as large as in sc either, not to mention theres some reason for inviting some of these teams even if they couldnt win a qualifier. they obviously want to keep things closed and not do qualifiers which is time and management consuming
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On August 02 2011 13:46 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 13:39 bkrow wrote:On August 02 2011 13:29 JeeJee wrote:On August 02 2011 11:06 bkrow wrote:On August 02 2011 10:57 BlueRoyaL wrote:![[image loading]](http://i54.tinypic.com/2j0y06o.jpg) discuss. (S2 = liars?) Meh can easily argue there is no in-game advantage; Monkey King isn't stupidly OP that it gives you auto win. TBH i don't have to many issues with it; Monkey King wouldn't be released for a month but at least we get to see him in the game because of early access. Huh? Nobody can seriously argue that there's no advantage. MK doesn't have to be OP at all. As long as he's not so horrible that there's literally no situation where picking him is a good idea, then having an option of picking him is an advantage, no matter how small. Yeah i agree; i was trying to get at that i would hope the majority of people really wouldn't care to much - at least we get to see the hero before it is publicly released. A lot along the lines of does it really matter? I just don't see how it impacts the game in any way that isn't inconsequential I'd figure not being able to trust the word of the company behind the game impacts it quite a bit, and not in a positive light either.
Well i don't think you can trust any company.. ever
Blizzard
Valve
MLG
etc etc etc
Shit happens..
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On August 02 2011 14:05 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 13:44 semantics wrote:On August 02 2011 13:39 Kupon3ss wrote:On August 02 2011 13:21 semantics wrote:On August 02 2011 13:18 GazeRocker wrote:On August 02 2011 13:12 semantics wrote:
1 million can be alot or very little depending on what value normally spends so just putting that up as a form of psudo advertisement means nothing i mean the nation wide commercials for portal 2 probably cost them that for developing the commercial and running it for like 2 weeks+ in semi prime time spots on several cable networks including the shit ton of advertisement on cartoon network. 1 million may seem like alot to a small company like riot or s2 but to value it's cup cakes. If they can pull in the user base it's a worth while investment. Yea, you are correct in a sense to Valve themselves the prize money is not a lot lol... but when you benchmark this prize money to previously held DotA competitions (even those in China i think)...this amount is pretty insane LOL... But it's not the same, this is a closed group competing in something that as far as qualifiers go, was did we invite you to test our game. It's not the same as something say evo, the money is great because they are just using that large number to grab headlines, but the prestige is not there i mean in the end can you call team X world champions to a game that isn't even out? How hallow does that means when it's world champions between like 10. people that played the game or w.e The teams are the best in the world at dota, thus, since dota 2 is almost a direct port, they'd be presumed best at dota 2 If blizzard released SC2 beta only to top Korean teams and we had say a showmatch b4 the release of SC2 with Flash Bisu Jaedong Stork and the winner is crowned "King of SC2", would anybody really argue with that? Yes they would they only beat a small select it wasn't a real tournament like osl or msl there was no qualifiers etc hosted by blizzard nothing for players to aspire for. Do we call the winners of Blizzcon best SC player in the world? No it's not a real tournament it's just hype for blizzcon so people think blizzard. invitational, determined by results and notoriety whats the issue? the team pool for dota isnt as large as in sc either, not to mention theres some reason for inviting some of these teams even if they couldnt win a qualifier. they obviously want to keep things closed and not do qualifiers which is time and management consuming
Let's be honest, outside of MAYBE DK who allegedly couldn't go, I don't think any team that had a shot at winning this thing wasn't invited. This was a pretty good pool they got.
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On August 02 2011 14:17 5-s wrote:Hey let's make a TL steam Group for this as a Dota2 fanclub and eventual matchmaking / partying group. I've started it here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/teamliquiddota2 , feel free to add me / join if you're a regular TLer.
5-s most shadiest troll ever!!!!!!!!! 
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pretty cool invite only group you got there
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On August 02 2011 14:06 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 13:46 JeeJee wrote:On August 02 2011 13:39 bkrow wrote:On August 02 2011 13:29 JeeJee wrote:On August 02 2011 11:06 bkrow wrote:On August 02 2011 10:57 BlueRoyaL wrote:discuss. (S2 = liars?) Meh can easily argue there is no in-game advantage; Monkey King isn't stupidly OP that it gives you auto win. TBH i don't have to many issues with it; Monkey King wouldn't be released for a month but at least we get to see him in the game because of early access. Huh? Nobody can seriously argue that there's no advantage. MK doesn't have to be OP at all. As long as he's not so horrible that there's literally no situation where picking him is a good idea, then having an option of picking him is an advantage, no matter how small. Yeah i agree; i was trying to get at that i would hope the majority of people really wouldn't care to much - at least we get to see the hero before it is publicly released. A lot along the lines of does it really matter? I just don't see how it impacts the game in any way that isn't inconsequential I'd figure not being able to trust the word of the company behind the game impacts it quite a bit, and not in a positive light either. Well i don't think you can trust any company.. ever Blizzard Valve MLG etc etc etc Shit happens..
This is so true, people act like game companies are some benevolent entities, but no they are there to make money first and foremost. Honestly in my opinion blizz not including LAN support in SC2 is x10 the BS than the new F2P model of HoN is.
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Pretty much every non-Asian team is going to get exposed at Gamescom, Navi will take one game and promptly get their key hero banned for the runbacks.
MYM sucks right now, they play like morons early-mid and rely on some godly team fights and mistakes from opponents to get back into it.
None of the other Euro teams are remotely on level, maybe OK.int if Power.Net is given space to farm, but they look lost at times.
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DOTA2 tourney is going to be won by chinese team. I don't know who but the europeans are going to fail so completely.
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O__O
W... T... F...
LGD Disbands
LGD official blog
Hoping its their blog getting hacked or something, it makes absolutely no sense to disband on the even of a $1 million dollar tournament
WTF?!
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On August 02 2011 23:12 Kupon3ss wrote:O__O W... T... F... LGD Disbands LGD official blogHoping its their blog getting hacked or something, it makes absolutely no sense to disband on the even of a $1 million dollar tournament WTF?!
On July 28 2011 14:28 rabidch wrote:gosubet for lgd vs tyloo (tyloo won last night, im reading that they were rapings by Tyloo) Show nested quote +Tyloo wins for sure. The story is all members of LGD are on vacation after ECL offline, so the recent games are played by LGD online. As you see, almost all games are lost. yyf complains they doesn't train together and even less than 10 times for 6.72. Chuan and 830 also hope they could go offline immediately to train hard for 6.72. They are all waiting for one person ZSMJ coming back. -------------------------------------------------------------- Today, a rumour says zsmj leaves LGD. Someone even finds the evidence to prove it. See http://bbs.sgamer.com/thread-10078667-1-1.html. The evidence comes from zsmj's qq micro-blog, but right now it is removed. Or the evidence itself is fake by photoshop. Who knows the truth. edit: OK. It is a rumour. Confirmed by zsmj himself. See http://bbs.sgamer.com/thread-10078785-1-1.html. The picture showing zsmj says he left LGD is fake by photoshop. -------------------------------------------------------------- But one thing is confirmed anyway: LGD is in the shade now. They lack training enough for 6.72. ouch, no wonder they've practically dropped off the radar immediately after ECL with lackluster games. chinese dota really is fucking competitive now. im wondering how they'll shape up for eswc qualifiers too (might be the real matches about who wins eswc) with a chinese ringer since chuans malaysian
i wonder if money is the issue too, another sponsor might have come and taken them. i'm curious to see what zsmj will do now, he was never a great captain like zhou was
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Yea, the 4 members besides ZSMJ were apparently bought by a different company (ZSMJ staying most likely due to devotion), but it still makes no sense, since no amount of money in China can possibly be worth throwing away a part of the 1.6 million jackpot that's pretty much guaranteed to go to China
LGD was together more than you think though and their shape wasn't that bad, they beat Ehome pretty convincingly a couple of nights ago (4 members + Chuan from a netcafe somewhere) (Chuan went home to SG since he can't play WCG (next big tournament) and LGD had just announced to pick up LongDD as a ringer for WCG
still in nonsensical shock atm o_O
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On August 02 2011 23:27 Kupon3ss wrote:
Yea, the 4 members besides ZSMJ were apparently bought by a different company (ZSMJ staying most likely due to devotion), but it still makes no sense, since no amount of money in China can possibly be worth throwing away a part of the 1.6 million jackpot that's pretty much guaranteed to go to China
LGD was together more than you think though and their shape wasn't that bad, they beat Ehome pretty convincingly a couple of nights ago (4 members + Chuan from a netcafe somewhere) (Chuan went home to SG since he can't play WCG (next big tournament) and LGD had just announced to pick up LongDD as a ringer for WCG
still in nonsensical shock atm o_O
ccm was bought out (the entire sponsor!), and is now ig. i think people are now jumping into this like sc2, or even more so
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On August 02 2011 23:34 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 23:27 Kupon3ss wrote:
Yea, the 4 members besides ZSMJ were apparently bought by a different company (ZSMJ staying most likely due to devotion), but it still makes no sense, since no amount of money in China can possibly be worth throwing away a part of the 1.6 million jackpot that's pretty much guaranteed to go to China
LGD was together more than you think though and their shape wasn't that bad, they beat Ehome pretty convincingly a couple of nights ago (4 members + Chuan from a netcafe somewhere) (Chuan went home to SG since he can't play WCG (next big tournament) and LGD had just announced to pick up LongDD as a ringer for WCG
still in nonsensical shock atm o_O ccm was bought out (the entire sponsor!), and is now ig. i think people are now jumping into this like sc2, or even more so
Its apparently the one guy....
So some heir to a large corporation in China decided to "Move into esports" and figured the best way to do it is just: meh lets buy the 2 best teams and see what happens
o_O
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On August 02 2011 23:43 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 23:34 rabidch wrote:On August 02 2011 23:27 Kupon3ss wrote:
Yea, the 4 members besides ZSMJ were apparently bought by a different company (ZSMJ staying most likely due to devotion), but it still makes no sense, since no amount of money in China can possibly be worth throwing away a part of the 1.6 million jackpot that's pretty much guaranteed to go to China
LGD was together more than you think though and their shape wasn't that bad, they beat Ehome pretty convincingly a couple of nights ago (4 members + Chuan from a netcafe somewhere) (Chuan went home to SG since he can't play WCG (next big tournament) and LGD had just announced to pick up LongDD as a ringer for WCG
still in nonsensical shock atm o_O ccm was bought out (the entire sponsor!), and is now ig. i think people are now jumping into this like sc2, or even more so Its apparently the one guy.... So some heir to a large corporation in China decided to "Move into esports" and figured the best way to do it is just: meh lets buy the 2 best teams and see what happens o_O
i dont think its good for the scene, people dont know what to do with so much money now its being thrown around everywhere, they get distracted with a bunch of other business outside of the game, and theres little regulation and rules for teams atm. i hope this doesnt become a trend and i hope contracts are able to be made and enforced, otherwise its just gonna hamper the scene with a shit ton of instability
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well that sucks... zsmj </3 yyf
I wonder where he'll go next.
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On August 02 2011 23:48 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 23:43 Kupon3ss wrote:On August 02 2011 23:34 rabidch wrote:On August 02 2011 23:27 Kupon3ss wrote:
Yea, the 4 members besides ZSMJ were apparently bought by a different company (ZSMJ staying most likely due to devotion), but it still makes no sense, since no amount of money in China can possibly be worth throwing away a part of the 1.6 million jackpot that's pretty much guaranteed to go to China
LGD was together more than you think though and their shape wasn't that bad, they beat Ehome pretty convincingly a couple of nights ago (4 members + Chuan from a netcafe somewhere) (Chuan went home to SG since he can't play WCG (next big tournament) and LGD had just announced to pick up LongDD as a ringer for WCG
still in nonsensical shock atm o_O ccm was bought out (the entire sponsor!), and is now ig. i think people are now jumping into this like sc2, or even more so Its apparently the one guy.... So some heir to a large corporation in China decided to "Move into esports" and figured the best way to do it is just: meh lets buy the 2 best teams and see what happens o_O i dont think its good for the scene, people dont know what to do with so much money now its being thrown around everywhere, they get distracted with a bunch of other business outside of the game, and theres little regulation and rules for teams atm. i hope this doesnt become a trend and i hope contracts are able to be made and enforced, otherwise its just gonna hamper the scene with a shit ton of instability
Agreed, team instability killed North American Dota (Which was once on top of the world.. a long time ago). It could definitely become a big problem for Chinese Dota.
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On August 02 2011 17:01 Taco_Bueno wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 14:06 bkrow wrote:On August 02 2011 13:46 JeeJee wrote:On August 02 2011 13:39 bkrow wrote:On August 02 2011 13:29 JeeJee wrote:On August 02 2011 11:06 bkrow wrote:On August 02 2011 10:57 BlueRoyaL wrote:discuss. (S2 = liars?) Meh can easily argue there is no in-game advantage; Monkey King isn't stupidly OP that it gives you auto win. TBH i don't have to many issues with it; Monkey King wouldn't be released for a month but at least we get to see him in the game because of early access. Huh? Nobody can seriously argue that there's no advantage. MK doesn't have to be OP at all. As long as he's not so horrible that there's literally no situation where picking him is a good idea, then having an option of picking him is an advantage, no matter how small. Yeah i agree; i was trying to get at that i would hope the majority of people really wouldn't care to much - at least we get to see the hero before it is publicly released. A lot along the lines of does it really matter? I just don't see how it impacts the game in any way that isn't inconsequential I'd figure not being able to trust the word of the company behind the game impacts it quite a bit, and not in a positive light either. Well i don't think you can trust any company.. ever Blizzard Valve MLG etc etc etc Shit happens.. This is so true, people act like game companies are some benevolent entities, but no they are there to make money first and foremost. Honestly in my opinion blizz not including LAN support in SC2 is x10 the BS than the new F2P model of HoN is.
Except, correct me if I'm wrong, blizzard never said "no starcraft game will ever ship without lan" then didn't implement lan in sc2. Big difference between the 2 examples.
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OIC, news on the LGD split
It does appear true, however, its not imminent and that events like WCG and DOTA2 will be unaffected since they'll still participate in them as LGD
However their performance will probably be affected since they're breaking up
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