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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
August 02 2011 03:33 GMT
#28981
This new patch really doesn't impact legacy accounts to much; sure there is early access and all, but at the end of the day who really cares? The HoN community is retarded enough to vote kick people for choosing monkey king but at the end of the day; in one month he will be in the hero pool. EARLY ACCESS =/= AUTO WIN.. Everyone just needs to calm down and see this as the positive move that it is..
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 02 2011 03:48 GMT
#28982
On August 02 2011 12:19 Taco_Bueno wrote:
^ People like you are so dramatic

I DON'T GET ONE HERO, BALANCE IS ALL GONE, I CAN'T BE COMPETATIVE WITHOUT THIS ONE HERO.

Jesus just stop playing if it bothers you so much. But no, all the nerds whining about this will still log in everyday.


Never played in the first place, only thing that keeps these games going for the long run is the competitive scene.
Get it by your hands...
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 03:52:10
August 02 2011 03:50 GMT
#28983
In terms of competitive play nothing has changed anyway. Early Access heroes are automatically turned off in tournament mode. I wouldn't be surprised if S2 got inspiration for early access from the competitive scene actually. New heroes were always autobanned/never picked for a few weeks to a month after release while people tested them out in inhouses and pub games, early access seems similar.
GazeRocker
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada60 Posts
August 02 2011 03:56 GMT
#28984
[image loading]
bearcatter
Profile Joined June 2010
United States171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 03:57:56
August 02 2011 03:57 GMT
#28985
Has anyone seen the announcement for the first ever tournament for Dota2? It was just announced over at dota2.com with 16 teams being invited from all over the world with a prize pool of 1 million USD. That sounds so epic!!!

www.dota2.com

Edit: Ninja post before me
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 02 2011 03:57 GMT
#28986
On August 02 2011 12:50 wonderwall wrote:
In terms of competitive play nothing has changed anyway. Early Access heroes are automatically turned off in tournament mode. I wouldn't be surprised if S2 got inspiration for early access from the competitive scene actually. New heroes were always autobanned/never picked for a few weeks to a month after release while people tested them out in inhouses and pub games, early access seems similar.


It's the transition from the pub/mmr player to organized play that got shat on, competitive scene isn't going to last forever on the shoulders of the current players without new people joining in.
Get it by your hands...
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
August 02 2011 03:58 GMT
#28987
lol international dota 2 championship a championship for a game that will have a somewhat open beta sometime this year and then be released somehow. Spend 1.6+ ish million on a "tournament" get the attention of people that have seen nothing of the game but 4 pictures not even screen shots just concept art.
bearcatter
Profile Joined June 2010
United States171 Posts
August 02 2011 04:00 GMT
#28988
On August 02 2011 12:58 semantics wrote:
lol international dota 2 championship a championship for a game that will have a somewhat open beta sometime this year and then be released somehow. Spend 1.6+ ish million on a "tournament" get the attention of people that have seen nothing of the game but 4 pictures not even screen shots just concept art.


They apparently have had an Alpha beta testing for quite awhile so I'm excited to finally see what the game will look like
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 04:03:30
August 02 2011 04:02 GMT
#28989
On August 02 2011 12:57 bearcatter wrote:
Has anyone seen the announcement for the first ever tournament for Dota2? It was just announced over at dota2.com with 16 teams being invited from all over the world with a prize pool of 1 million USD. That sounds so epic!!!

www.dota2.com

Edit: Ninja post before me

it's not at all epic, there is no real sense of tournament what was qualifiers? why weren't we informed before hand? Got nothing but top 16 to watch? Hell who ever seen this game before?

Fuck if duke nukem forever release a "tournament" before it's release of the game and spend it's advertisement money on prize money then known fps competitors would that be epic? No it would just be lame, it's like a dream match without people outside of following dota knowing who the pros are. It's nothing to go on except hoping that the game looks good wtf hype is that. Doesn't make the game any better this is just cheap tricks into getting attention for a game in which they have built 0 hype over the year because they are too lazy to post any sort of updates.
GazeRocker
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 04:09:02
August 02 2011 04:08 GMT
#28990
On August 02 2011 13:02 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 12:57 bearcatter wrote:
Has anyone seen the announcement for the first ever tournament for Dota2? It was just announced over at dota2.com with 16 teams being invited from all over the world with a prize pool of 1 million USD. That sounds so epic!!!

www.dota2.com

Edit: Ninja post before me

it's not at all epic, there is no real sense of tournament what was qualifiers? why weren't we informed before hand? Got nothing but top 16 to watch? Hell who ever seen this game before?

Fuck if duke nukem forever release a "tournament" before it's release of the game and spend it's advertisement money on prize money then known fps competitors would that be epic? No it would just be lame, it's like a dream match without people outside of following dota knowing who the pros are. It's nothing to go on except hoping that the game looks good wtf hype is that. Doesn't make the game any better this is just cheap tricks into getting attention for a game in which they have built 0 hype over the year because they are too lazy to post any sort of updates.


Well...the existing player base of DotA I think pretty much is enough to fill up the game alone and then word of mouth advertisement will do the rest...Tournament and hype are justified by Valve basically saying hey, "we have confidence in our game that's why we put $1 mil on your face even if you do not know what DotA is, watch us."
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 04:14:59
August 02 2011 04:12 GMT
#28991
1 million can be alot or very little depending on what value normally spends so just putting that up as a form of psudo advertisement means nothing i mean the nation wide commercials for portal 2 probably cost them that for developing the commercial and running it for like 2 weeks+ in semi prime time spots on several cable networks including the shit ton of advertisement on cartoon network. 1 million may seem like alot to a small company like riot or s2 but to value it's cup cakes. If they can pull in the user base it's a worth while investment.
GazeRocker
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada60 Posts
August 02 2011 04:18 GMT
#28992
On August 02 2011 13:12 semantics wrote:
1 million can be alot or very little depending on what value normally spends so just putting that up as a form of psudo advertisement means nothing i mean the nation wide commercials for portal 2 probably cost them that for developing the commercial and running it for like 2 weeks+ in semi prime time spots on several cable networks including the shit ton of advertisement on cartoon network. 1 million may seem like alot to a small company like riot or s2 but to value it's cup cakes. If they can pull in the user base it's a worth while investment.


Yea, you are correct in a sense to Valve themselves the prize money is not a lot lol... but when you benchmark this prize money to previously held DotA competitions (even those in China i think)...this amount is pretty insane LOL...
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
August 02 2011 04:21 GMT
#28993
On August 02 2011 13:18 GazeRocker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 13:12 semantics wrote:
1 million can be alot or very little depending on what value normally spends so just putting that up as a form of psudo advertisement means nothing i mean the nation wide commercials for portal 2 probably cost them that for developing the commercial and running it for like 2 weeks+ in semi prime time spots on several cable networks including the shit ton of advertisement on cartoon network. 1 million may seem like alot to a small company like riot or s2 but to value it's cup cakes. If they can pull in the user base it's a worth while investment.


Yea, you are correct in a sense to Valve themselves the prize money is not a lot lol... but when you benchmark this prize money to previously held DotA competitions (even those in China i think)...this amount is pretty insane LOL...

But it's not the same, this is a closed group competing in something that as far as qualifiers go, was did we invite you to test our game. It's not the same as something say evo, the money is great because they are just using that large number to grab headlines, but the prestige is not there i mean in the end can you call team X world champions to a game that isn't even out? How hallow does that means when it's world champions between like 10. people that played the game or w.e
GazeRocker
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada60 Posts
August 02 2011 04:29 GMT
#28994
On August 02 2011 13:21 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 13:18 GazeRocker wrote:
On August 02 2011 13:12 semantics wrote:
1 million can be alot or very little depending on what value normally spends so just putting that up as a form of psudo advertisement means nothing i mean the nation wide commercials for portal 2 probably cost them that for developing the commercial and running it for like 2 weeks+ in semi prime time spots on several cable networks including the shit ton of advertisement on cartoon network. 1 million may seem like alot to a small company like riot or s2 but to value it's cup cakes. If they can pull in the user base it's a worth while investment.


Yea, you are correct in a sense to Valve themselves the prize money is not a lot lol... but when you benchmark this prize money to previously held DotA competitions (even those in China i think)...this amount is pretty insane LOL...

But it's not the same, this is a closed group competing in something that as far as qualifiers go, was did we invite you to test our game. It's not the same as something say evo, the money is great because they are just using that large number to grab headlines, but the prestige is not there i mean in the end can you call team X world champions to a game that isn't even out? How hallow does that means when it's world champions between like 10. people that played the game or w.e


What...I thought this was a cost-benefit analysis on the topic of the $1 mil investment made by Valve. I was looking at a business-perspective to see if the investment was a worthwhile decision or not.

Gonna stop~hehe =P
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 04:33:17
August 02 2011 04:29 GMT
#28995
On August 02 2011 11:06 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 10:57 BlueRoyaL wrote:
[image loading]

discuss. (S2 = liars?)

Meh can easily argue there is no in-game advantage; Monkey King isn't stupidly OP that it gives you auto win. TBH i don't have to many issues with it; Monkey King wouldn't be released for a month but at least we get to see him in the game because of early access.


Huh? Nobody can seriously argue that there's no advantage. MK doesn't have to be OP at all. As long as he's not so horrible that there's literally no situation where picking him is a good idea, then having an option of picking him is an advantage, no matter how small.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
August 02 2011 04:39 GMT
#28996
On August 02 2011 13:21 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 13:18 GazeRocker wrote:
On August 02 2011 13:12 semantics wrote:
1 million can be alot or very little depending on what value normally spends so just putting that up as a form of psudo advertisement means nothing i mean the nation wide commercials for portal 2 probably cost them that for developing the commercial and running it for like 2 weeks+ in semi prime time spots on several cable networks including the shit ton of advertisement on cartoon network. 1 million may seem like alot to a small company like riot or s2 but to value it's cup cakes. If they can pull in the user base it's a worth while investment.


Yea, you are correct in a sense to Valve themselves the prize money is not a lot lol... but when you benchmark this prize money to previously held DotA competitions (even those in China i think)...this amount is pretty insane LOL...

But it's not the same, this is a closed group competing in something that as far as qualifiers go, was did we invite you to test our game. It's not the same as something say evo, the money is great because they are just using that large number to grab headlines, but the prestige is not there i mean in the end can you call team X world champions to a game that isn't even out? How hallow does that means when it's world champions between like 10. people that played the game or w.e


The teams are the best in the world at dota, thus, since dota 2 is almost a direct port, they'd be presumed best at dota 2
If blizzard released SC2 beta only to top Korean teams and we had say a showmatch b4 the release of SC2 with
Flash Bisu Jaedong Stork
and the winner is crowned "King of SC2", would anybody really argue with that?
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 04:41:27
August 02 2011 04:39 GMT
#28997
On August 02 2011 13:29 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 11:06 bkrow wrote:
On August 02 2011 10:57 BlueRoyaL wrote:
[image loading]

discuss. (S2 = liars?)

Meh can easily argue there is no in-game advantage; Monkey King isn't stupidly OP that it gives you auto win. TBH i don't have to many issues with it; Monkey King wouldn't be released for a month but at least we get to see him in the game because of early access.


Huh? Nobody can seriously argue that there's no advantage. MK doesn't have to be OP at all. As long as he's not so horrible that there's literally no situation where picking him is a good idea, then having an option of picking him is an advantage, no matter how small.

Yeah i agree; i was trying to get at that i would hope the majority of people really wouldn't care to much - at least we get to see the hero before it is publicly released. A lot along the lines of does it really matter? I just don't see how it impacts the game in any way that isn't inconsequential
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
August 02 2011 04:41 GMT
#28998
On August 02 2011 12:24 GazeRocker wrote:
Oh mah gawd,

Alright,
Coming back to DotA 2

riki so bitter when he left and then he comes back with sweet tooth
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
August 02 2011 04:44 GMT
#28999
On August 02 2011 13:39 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 13:21 semantics wrote:
On August 02 2011 13:18 GazeRocker wrote:
On August 02 2011 13:12 semantics wrote:
1 million can be alot or very little depending on what value normally spends so just putting that up as a form of psudo advertisement means nothing i mean the nation wide commercials for portal 2 probably cost them that for developing the commercial and running it for like 2 weeks+ in semi prime time spots on several cable networks including the shit ton of advertisement on cartoon network. 1 million may seem like alot to a small company like riot or s2 but to value it's cup cakes. If they can pull in the user base it's a worth while investment.


Yea, you are correct in a sense to Valve themselves the prize money is not a lot lol... but when you benchmark this prize money to previously held DotA competitions (even those in China i think)...this amount is pretty insane LOL...

But it's not the same, this is a closed group competing in something that as far as qualifiers go, was did we invite you to test our game. It's not the same as something say evo, the money is great because they are just using that large number to grab headlines, but the prestige is not there i mean in the end can you call team X world champions to a game that isn't even out? How hallow does that means when it's world champions between like 10. people that played the game or w.e


The teams are the best in the world at dota, thus, since dota 2 is almost a direct port, they'd be presumed best at dota 2
If blizzard released SC2 beta only to top Korean teams and we had say a showmatch b4 the release of SC2 with
Flash Bisu Jaedong Stork
and the winner is crowned "King of SC2", would anybody really argue with that?

Yes they would they only beat a small select it wasn't a real tournament like osl or msl there was no qualifiers etc hosted by blizzard nothing for players to aspire for. Do we call the winners of Blizzcon best SC player in the world? No it's not a real tournament it's just hype for blizzcon so people think blizzard.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
August 02 2011 04:46 GMT
#29000
On August 02 2011 13:39 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 13:29 JeeJee wrote:
On August 02 2011 11:06 bkrow wrote:
On August 02 2011 10:57 BlueRoyaL wrote:
[image loading]

discuss. (S2 = liars?)

Meh can easily argue there is no in-game advantage; Monkey King isn't stupidly OP that it gives you auto win. TBH i don't have to many issues with it; Monkey King wouldn't be released for a month but at least we get to see him in the game because of early access.


Huh? Nobody can seriously argue that there's no advantage. MK doesn't have to be OP at all. As long as he's not so horrible that there's literally no situation where picking him is a good idea, then having an option of picking him is an advantage, no matter how small.

Yeah i agree; i was trying to get at that i would hope the majority of people really wouldn't care to much - at least we get to see the hero before it is publicly released. A lot along the lines of does it really matter? I just don't see how it impacts the game in any way that isn't inconsequential


I'd figure not being able to trust the word of the company behind the game impacts it quite a bit, and not in a positive light either.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
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