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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
June 20 2011 03:51 GMT
#26841
You have such girly handwriting ryu.

And its like hipster girl writing to make it even worse.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
June 20 2011 03:55 GMT
#26842
On June 20 2011 12:40 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 12:35 JeeJee wrote:
On June 20 2011 12:00 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 20 2011 11:34 JeeJee wrote:
On June 20 2011 11:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 20 2011 11:29 JeeJee wrote:
On June 20 2011 11:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 20 2011 11:22 JeeJee wrote:
On June 20 2011 10:45 Torte de Lini wrote:
How do you get out of a terrible rating? I talked about this on HoN, but how the hell do you get out of 1400-1500 rating? If I SoloQ, I get the most unbelievably incompetent people. My old feelings of DoTA are resurging.

But no one will TMM with you because well... your rating just sucks utter balls.


If you're consistently at a certain rating for a decent number of games, then I'm afraid you belong there. The system works.


That's not the issue or the question, nor am I looking for a debate if the system works though.


Ok well if you're significantly better than the rating you're at, you'll win games fairly easily regardless of your team. What's the issue then?


I didn't say that either.


I recall you asking how to get out of the 1400s because solo queuing gets you the most "unbelievably incompetent people". Clearly you must be significantly better than 1400s to make that call.

Pray tell, what did you say?


I'm not going to clarify because you're leaving verbal pitfalls for arguments, rather than giving me suggestions how to come out of a predicament, you're making presumptions and saying how something should occur, instead of giving possibilities.

To engage would cause an argument, but to ensure no misunderstandings (apparently others understand what I mean): some people, despite having a similar rating than me, play so poorly that they bring down the entire team or cause the team to have such an advantage that it creates it harder for someone at my level to compensate the difference.

Because someone is bad doesn't imply that I'm good, that's your misinterpretation.

Hope that repairs the whole thing. (guess I did clarify)



Actually being able to call someone bad does imply that you're good. If you yourself are bad, then you can't possibly believe you can judge others' skill accurately, right? Of course we are talking relatives here (good relative to the players you're calling bad); in absolute sense, nobody is 'good' unless you're placing in tournaments.

Anyway, to get out of 1400s, just play better. This applies to any rating. If you feel confident that your knowledge is up to par, something else must be holding you back. It's not your teammates. Map awareness, technical ability, etc, work on those.


No, it just means they play below my level which happens to be (presumably) the average of 1400/1500 rating. I can judge others based on my own experience and expectations considering I'm not seeing highly of myself and know my limitations.

Thanks for the advice :3


Welp, either way, I wouldn't worry about what your teammates are doing wrong or what level they're playing at. The fastest way to get out of any rating is to play better than that rating. To play better, you have to improve. The best way to improve is to fix everything you're doing wrong instead of worrying about your teammates, or worse, blaming them. Blaming teammates is an excuse. You can have either excuses or results, but not both.

I hope you don't think I'm being hostile or anything, I am actually trying to give what I believe is good advice. I just may not go about it in a 'nice' way, but as a HoN player, it is helpful to have a thick skin anyway, since the community is very lovely Hopefully you can look past the abrasive tone.

Best of luck in your quest to crush this game
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 20 2011 03:59 GMT
#26843
On June 20 2011 12:55 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 12:40 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 20 2011 12:35 JeeJee wrote:
On June 20 2011 12:00 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 20 2011 11:34 JeeJee wrote:
On June 20 2011 11:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 20 2011 11:29 JeeJee wrote:
On June 20 2011 11:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 20 2011 11:22 JeeJee wrote:
On June 20 2011 10:45 Torte de Lini wrote:
How do you get out of a terrible rating? I talked about this on HoN, but how the hell do you get out of 1400-1500 rating? If I SoloQ, I get the most unbelievably incompetent people. My old feelings of DoTA are resurging.

But no one will TMM with you because well... your rating just sucks utter balls.


If you're consistently at a certain rating for a decent number of games, then I'm afraid you belong there. The system works.


That's not the issue or the question, nor am I looking for a debate if the system works though.


Ok well if you're significantly better than the rating you're at, you'll win games fairly easily regardless of your team. What's the issue then?


I didn't say that either.


I recall you asking how to get out of the 1400s because solo queuing gets you the most "unbelievably incompetent people". Clearly you must be significantly better than 1400s to make that call.

Pray tell, what did you say?


I'm not going to clarify because you're leaving verbal pitfalls for arguments, rather than giving me suggestions how to come out of a predicament, you're making presumptions and saying how something should occur, instead of giving possibilities.

To engage would cause an argument, but to ensure no misunderstandings (apparently others understand what I mean): some people, despite having a similar rating than me, play so poorly that they bring down the entire team or cause the team to have such an advantage that it creates it harder for someone at my level to compensate the difference.

Because someone is bad doesn't imply that I'm good, that's your misinterpretation.

Hope that repairs the whole thing. (guess I did clarify)



Actually being able to call someone bad does imply that you're good. If you yourself are bad, then you can't possibly believe you can judge others' skill accurately, right? Of course we are talking relatives here (good relative to the players you're calling bad); in absolute sense, nobody is 'good' unless you're placing in tournaments.

Anyway, to get out of 1400s, just play better. This applies to any rating. If you feel confident that your knowledge is up to par, something else must be holding you back. It's not your teammates. Map awareness, technical ability, etc, work on those.


No, it just means they play below my level which happens to be (presumably) the average of 1400/1500 rating. I can judge others based on my own experience and expectations considering I'm not seeing highly of myself and know my limitations.

Thanks for the advice :3


Welp, either way, I wouldn't worry about what your teammates are doing wrong or what level they're playing at. The fastest way to get out of any rating is to play better than that rating. To play better, you have to improve. The best way to improve is to fix everything you're doing wrong instead of worrying about your teammates, or worse, blaming them. Blaming teammates is an excuse. You can have either excuses or results, but not both.

I hope you don't think I'm being hostile or anything, I am actually trying to give what I believe is good advice. I just may not go about it in a 'nice' way, but as a HoN player, it is helpful to have a thick skin anyway, since the community is very lovely Hopefully you can look past the abrasive tone.

Best of luck in your quest to crush this game


Don't worry, I realize it was a misinterpretation. Potentially because I poorly originally stated what I meant (or lead you to believe something else).
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
June 20 2011 04:24 GMT
#26844
Nah, just play no stats 5v5 SD and enjoying playing rather than playing with angry people. You can usually get some decent players to fight and people don't get mad which is the best part. I'm on an 8-10 game winning streak and my stats haven't changed
I can already see the ending
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
June 20 2011 04:27 GMT
#26845
On June 20 2011 13:24 DCLXVI wrote:
Nah, just play no stats 5v5 SD and enjoying playing rather than playing with angry people. You can usually get some decent players to fight and people don't get mad which is the best part. I'm on an 8-10 game winning streak and my stats haven't changed


I don't see the fun in it at all.
if you can believe you can concieve
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 04:29:44
June 20 2011 04:28 GMT
#26846
Well, it's a good idea if you need or want to improve without pressure.
But I'm looking more to get out of my rut and perhaps improve at the same time.

I'm solo'qing right now. Hopefully I don't suck too bad @_@

Edit: they banned devo. and legionnaire... but left armadon unbanned.

- picks armadon -
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
June 20 2011 04:56 GMT
#26847
k lets all be honest here.

you can get to a certain point solo queuing, but to get further you have to start playing with better people (people you play with often is a plus because you have better chemistry)

i know just a few people that can get really high mmr just solo q'ing (1850+), but really.. there's no point. At 1800+ level it's always beneficial (and way more fun) playing with more people.

I've gotten to a little higher than 1800 solo q'ing on my solo account but to get higher i pretty much have to play with friends
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
coolcrimefighter
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States378 Posts
June 20 2011 06:36 GMT
#26848
travitus from the hon channel doesn't play the champions in dota very well, maybe he does better in hon?
RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 06:45:22
June 20 2011 06:39 GMT
#26849
On June 20 2011 15:36 coolcrimefighter wrote:
travitus from the hon channel doesn't play the champions in dota very well, maybe he does better in hon?

Yea, farms radience with his champion and then does he do? farms until the 60 minute mark and then realizes oh wait all the other champions are just as farmed as me. I seriously hope he's better at hon because he's hopeless at dota
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
June 20 2011 06:41 GMT
#26850
On June 20 2011 15:36 coolcrimefighter wrote:
travitus from the hon channel doesn't play the champions in dota very well, maybe he does better in hon?


No.

Can't wait to try out Tundra solo/parasite jungle for maphacks and free mid kills somewhat early game.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 13:09:56
June 20 2011 06:57 GMT
#26851
On June 20 2011 15:39 icemac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 15:36 coolcrimefighter wrote:
travitus from the hon channel doesn't play the champions in dota very well, maybe he does better in hon?

Yea, farms radience with his champion and then does he do? farms until the 60 minute mark and then realizes oh wait all the other champions are just as farmed as me. I seriously hope he's better at hon because he's hopeless at dota

I'm weaver. I'm gonna farm.
I have 17 min radiance. I'm gonna jungle.
I have linkens. I'm gonna jungle.
I have bkb. I'm gonna jungle.
I can't die. I'm gonna jungle.
I can win the game now. I'm gonna jungle.
I have skadi. Their carries are almost maxed.
It's 60 min. I have 5 kills.
It's 70 min. Oh shit other team's carries do so much damage....
The big teamfight happens. I'm not a factor....
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
June 20 2011 14:26 GMT
#26852
On June 20 2011 09:47 JeeJee wrote:
Wtf is up with this new trend of calling heroes champions?

trolls ignore them
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
June 20 2011 15:11 GMT
#26853
On June 20 2011 23:26 GhostKorean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 09:47 JeeJee wrote:
Wtf is up with this new trend of calling heroes champions?

trolls ignore them


Yea head over to LoL if you want champions. WERE HEROES DOTA/HON FOR LIFE.
if you can believe you can concieve
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 15:53:37
June 20 2011 15:50 GMT
#26854
On June 21 2011 00:11 TheWarbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 23:26 GhostKorean wrote:
On June 20 2011 09:47 JeeJee wrote:
Wtf is up with this new trend of calling heroes champions?

trolls ignore them


Yea head over to LoL if you want champions. WERE HEROES DOTA/HON FOR LIFE.

I come from the land of LoL.
I am trying my best to start calling champions heroes.
it will take a while, but I will do my best.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
June 20 2011 15:54 GMT
#26855
he·ro
noun /ˈhi(ə)rō/ 
heroes, plural
A person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities
- a war hero

The chief male character in a book, play, or movie, who is typically identified with good qualities, and with whom the reader is expected to sympathize

(in mythology and folklore) A person of superhuman qualities and often semidivine origin, in particular one of those whose exploits and dealings with the gods were the subject of ancient Greek myths and legends


cham·pi·on
verb /ˈCHampēən/ 
championed, past participle; championed, past tense; championing, present participle; champions, 3rd person singular present
Support the cause of; defend
- priests who championed human rights


noun /ˈCHampēən/ 
champions, plural
A person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a competition, esp. in sports
- a champion hurdler

A person who fights or argues for a cause or on behalf of someone else
- a champion of women's rights

A knight who fought in single combat on behalf of the monarch
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
June 20 2011 16:12 GMT
#26856
On June 20 2011 15:57 don_kyuhote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 15:39 icemac wrote:
On June 20 2011 15:36 coolcrimefighter wrote:
travitus from the hon channel doesn't play the champions in dota very well, maybe he does better in hon?

Yea, farms radience with his champion and then does he do? farms until the 60 minute mark and then realizes oh wait all the other champions are just as farmed as me. I seriously hope he's better at hon because he's hopeless at dota

I'm weaver. I'm gonna farm.
I have 17 min radiance. I'm gonna jungle.
I have linkens. I'm gonna jungle.
I have bkb. I'm gonna jungle.
I can't die. I'm gonna jungle.
I can win the game now. I'm gonna jungle.
I have skadi. Their carries are almost maxed.
It's 60 min. I have 5 kills.
It's 70 min. Oh shit other team's carries do so much damage....
The big teamfight happens. I'm not a factor....


God this makes me miss dota. Weaver was my favorite hero followed by fuzzy. Hon y u make hero like nomad but don't bring in weaver.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 16:20:53
June 20 2011 16:18 GMT
#26857
On June 20 2011 13:24 DCLXVI wrote:
Nah, just play no stats 5v5 SD and enjoying playing rather than playing with angry people. You can usually get some decent players to fight and people don't get mad which is the best part. I'm on an 8-10 game winning streak and my stats haven't changed

Bah that sucks. I want to see my MMR/PSR go up if you go on a 10 game winning streak.

I pretty much play SD in PSR and then whatever in MMR. I really hate AP :/. I finally crawled up from 1300 land and hit like 1517 last night. Felt decent to not be bottom of the shit barrel anymore. Now I'm just in the middle of the shit barrel.

Once you grasp certain things it's pretty easy to solo yourself out of low MMR/PSR ratings because a better player can exert that much more control over the entire game as the other team is bad. Even terrible players are able to perform if they have a 17-5-19 pyro on their team keeping the other team in their base.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 20 2011 16:37 GMT
#26858
On June 21 2011 00:50 don_kyuhote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 00:11 TheWarbler wrote:
On June 20 2011 23:26 GhostKorean wrote:
On June 20 2011 09:47 JeeJee wrote:
Wtf is up with this new trend of calling heroes champions?

trolls ignore them


Yea head over to LoL if you want champions. WERE HEROES DOTA/HON FOR LIFE.

I come from the land of LoL.
I am trying my best to start calling champions heroes.
it will take a while, but I will do my best.


Play the War3 campaign.
Come back a better man!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
June 20 2011 16:40 GMT
#26859
On June 21 2011 01:18 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 13:24 DCLXVI wrote:
Nah, just play no stats 5v5 SD and enjoying playing rather than playing with angry people. You can usually get some decent players to fight and people don't get mad which is the best part. I'm on an 8-10 game winning streak and my stats haven't changed

Bah that sucks. I want to see my MMR/PSR go up if you go on a 10 game winning streak.

I pretty much play SD in PSR and then whatever in MMR. I really hate AP :/. I finally crawled up from 1300 land and hit like 1517 last night. Felt decent to not be bottom of the shit barrel anymore. Now I'm just in the middle of the shit barrel.

Once you grasp certain things it's pretty easy to solo yourself out of low MMR/PSR ratings because a better player can exert that much more control over the entire game as the other team is bad. Even terrible players are able to perform if they have a 17-5-19 pyro on their team keeping the other team in their base.

The thing is, not many heros even have the ability to carry that hard. A couple, like sil/hag/pebbs can be legit solo hard carries just by dominating mid, but most "carries" wold need some kind of support to really dominate. I don't see it possible to pull out of the "crap range" just with a support character. Although witch slayer can do a decent job. Getting sheep stick + all his other disables can pretty much shut down an opposing hard carry for a solid 10 seconds + drain half of his mana, and really turn a team fight around.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
June 20 2011 16:55 GMT
#26860
I really don't get how people say they're way better than everyone else and their teammates are preventing them from getting a higher tmm. When I play on my smurf I can solo 1600 games so easily it's impossible to lose. When people are saying they are way better than their teammates at a certain range, they just fail to realize that they themselves suck just as hard in other areas
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