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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
On June 16 2011 18:35 Alur wrote: your care level of other people caring about people caring is too high. On June 16 2011 04:50 XeliN wrote: your care level of other people caring about people caring is too high. i think both of your care levels of my care level of other people caring about people caring is too high. | ||
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Ganfei2
473 Posts
Anyways the point is that apparently these DDOS attacks etc are somehow supposed to uphold democracy and freedom of the internet or some bullshit. Their manifesto seems to be that DDOSing shit is the cornerstone of democratic rule and that their attacks are giving power back to the people. Frankly speaking, from any sort of educated viewpoint this sounds like the rambling of likely socially inept nerds seeking to validate actions that most people would not find any value in. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On June 17 2011 02:59 Etherone wrote: i think both of your care levels of my care level of other people caring about people caring is too high. Meta level 5 | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On June 17 2011 02:32 Torte de Lini wrote: Power Supply? Why? And what's PK, sorry? Power supply, even after being nerfed, is still probably hands down the most effective item in the game for its cost. +3 to all stats and the burst 150 hp heal/mana (mana more important for krak) can swing team fights, especially early on. Mana battery can be bought at the side shop and is pretty awesome in lane. (Ring of the teacher/basillius is also up there - but that's an item you only get on kraken if no one else on your team is going for it, or if you're in a solo lane or something odd and want some extra pushing power). PK question was answered earlier. I will talk about why it's so good on krak, though. There are generally speaking 4 uses for it on kraken. One is to position yourself to hit a charge+stun (hardest use). Another is to get close enough to torrent (easiest use) so that your team can catch up to thte enemy glacius who is separated from their team. The third is for landing really good ultimates - the 1 second delay doesn't matter if they don't have the chance to scatter before it goes off - hitting even two enemies with the ult tends to win team fights. The final use is for escaping - typically charge lets you get outside of damage range for the 4 sec cd of it, especially if you know some juke spots. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On June 17 2011 05:00 Ganfei2 wrote: I can't find it now but there was a link on the HON forums to some news story with a released statement from these lulzsec guys. I delete my history everyday so I can't find it again and I'm not willing to go back through the HON forums to find it. Anyways the point is that apparently these DDOS attacks etc are somehow supposed to uphold democracy and freedom of the internet or some bullshit. Their manifesto seems to be that DDOSing shit is the cornerstone of democratic rule and that their attacks are giving power back to the people. Frankly speaking, from any sort of educated viewpoint this sounds like the rambling of likely socially inept nerds seeking to validate actions that most people would not find any value in. Clearly we are all slaves to the internet and that only destroying the internet can free our minds from porn and HoN, but mostly porn. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 16 2011 18:15 Rodiel3 wrote: "It appears that LulzSec has taken down the server for MMORPG Heroes of Newerth (a game very similar to World of Warcraft). The group mocks that Defense of the Ancients ("DotA") custom scenario for Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos "is better." Im right with them but i disaprove the method. Err... What? Lulzsec are also a bunch of script kiddies, nothing more. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
On June 17 2011 05:13 Nevuk wrote: Power supply, even after being nerfed, is still probably hands down the most effective item in the game for its cost. +3 to all stats and the burst 150 hp heal/mana (mana more important for krak) can swing team fights, especially early on. Mana battery can be bought at the side shop and is pretty awesome in lane. Do you ever pop PS for 150/150 early on? I rarely ever do that as I need to use it many fights and there is no way the other lane will spam 15 skills fast enough. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On June 17 2011 10:41 DCLXVI wrote: Do you ever pop PS for 150/150 early on? I rarely ever do that as I need to use it many fights and there is no way the other lane will spam 15 skills fast enough. I just pop it whenever I need mana, generally. It's very situational. Sometimes you want to save up charges if you think they're about to go in and you have full hp, sometimes you want to save it so that you can regen mana and do a combo when it doesn't look like you can. The main point of power supply is that it lets you lie a little about your health and mana values, unless they have your inventory open the entire time. (People do do this, but I doubt they do it below 1800 ever). Vs some lanes it's enough for mana regen entirely (Ward slither, maybe andro spamming aurora). The thing about kraken and mana is that you generally shouldn't be expending mana unless you're killing people... his mana pool is too low to harass with any of his spells. He doesn't have enough If you get a chalice maybe you can toss out 1-3 torrents in laning phase. Ring of sorcery lets you harass whenever it's up, but as kraken can kill almost any hero from full hp... he doesn't really need to harass. It's why I don't really get it on him often. | ||
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
I'd pick steam boots 9/10 with them still being +10 in HoN. That's just too good, int variant is a huge mana pool boost which lets you get PK faster while having comfortable mana. They're also better for farming a bit in the jungle. Ghost Marchers/Phase really only have initiation going for them and if you're not getting PK then chances are you're probably not much use mid-late any way. The damage bonus is certainly irrelevant. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On June 17 2011 02:59 Etherone wrote: i think both of your care levels of my care level of other people caring about people caring is too high. Care chicken: How deep can you go without getting warned. On June 17 2011 20:29 Dead9 wrote: Kraken isn't tide hunter lol They look similar, Torrent is the same thing as Gush, Splash is closse to being the same thing as Anchor Smash, and while their ults are not the same, parallels can be drawn. So Kraken =/= Tidehunter, but it's not a crazy thing to say that he's the HoN equivalent of TH. | ||
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Ethenielle
Norway1006 Posts
I almost always upgrade power supply simply because it's so good in so many situations. Best turnaround and longevity item in the game imo. Lulzsec can hardly be just script kiddies with their rap sheet? They seem like highly educated assholes with an extremely high skill level to me. But then I don't know much about hacking. | ||
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
So I just found out about "DotA Daily", jesus its awful How can it have gone 90 episodes already, who watches it? | ||
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Ethenielle
Norway1006 Posts
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
On June 18 2011 01:03 Ethenielle wrote: You should probably look a bit more into hon before claiming great knowledge. A certain pro-team(MSI) plays kraken as semicarry pretty often, solo side lane.. the ults are in no way comparable except being AoE, and I'm pretty sure charge != the armor skill TH has :p Pretty sure I haven't claimed "great knowledge" about HoN at any point. I looked up Kraken earlier and I wouldn't say its that generous to say he's fairly similar. I guess he might play slightly more like magnus from DotA except he's even worse lategame and doesn't farm as easily. Not sure how we ended up on this when discussing whether or not to upgrade stick/battery as the argument is pretty much the same. (Except Kraken appears to rely even more on items/PK than TH does and thus should try to spend as little as possible on items that aren't necessary to get it asap) | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On June 17 2011 21:07 Alur wrote: Care chicken: How deep can you go without getting warned. They look similar, Torrent is the same thing as Gush, Splash is closse to being the same thing as Anchor Smash, and while their ults are not the same, parallels can be drawn. So Kraken =/= Tidehunter, but it's not a crazy thing to say that he's the HoN equivalent of TH. They play or have a role that is very similar. That is why parallels are being drawn. | ||
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Ganfei2
473 Posts
+3 to all stats and the upgrade from 10 mana a charge, 10 charges to 15 mana a charge, 10 charges for 300 gold and one item slot? Yeah, I'll take that. Especially on a hero with shit mana pool like kraken. Kraken hardly "needs" a pk and he shouldn't be picked as your main initiator anyways unless it's SD and your pool is horrible. The ult is incredibly easy to land, impossible to get out of if you're in the middle, silences, stuns, and is superior magic. Combine him with any single disable and you're good to go, it's only 1 second between cast and detonation. Most of the time you don't even need an ally's disable. The lag between cast and it appearing is miniscule and is almost impossible to miss entirely in any team fight that lasts more than a second. Kraken is much better when you can build him tanky early with a helm/vanguard and phase boots with a power supply and go around diving people and being unkillable before building into shit like shamans/hood and demonic/AC. Getting PK on him is pretty useless unless your team needs it super hard, because being unkillable with a bunch of gushes + ult and a 300 damage physical aoe auto every few seconds is far more useful than being able to blink for the occasional good ult that you'd probably get with a decent team anyways and the occasional blink to charge someone backwards. Also treads suck on kraken in my opinion. Phase boots are 20x better. Last time I played dota tidehunter had a chance based aoe auto attack, kraken is different and does a fuckload more damage. Chasing is more important/different. I just went and looked at tidehunter and yeah, his aoe auto costs mana and does more at level 4 than kraken's aoe auto (by 40), but kraken's is free and does not have a set cooldown (each auto reduces the CD of 8 seconds by a second). | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
Tide's gush is stronger than kraken's torrent (slow is stronger and longer on tide) Kraken has a pseudoblink instead of that armor passive (pretty big deal) Kraken's AoE does less damage but costs no mana (maxing it first doesn't cost a quarter of your mana) Kraken's ulti is a mini unchanneled enigma ulti, not free initiation like tide If anything kraken is played more like cw than tide: a decent mid/side lane solo that hopefully carries through midgame | ||
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
On June 18 2011 03:54 Ganfei2 wrote: lol....always get the power supply unless you're on someone like pebbles + hardcore rushing a pk because your farm sucks. +3 to all stats and the upgrade from 10 mana a charge, 10 charges to 15 mana a charge, 10 charges for 300 gold and one item slot? Yeah, I'll take that. Especially on a hero with shit mana pool like kraken.[...] Thanks for clearing that up, it was the premise for not upgrading it as in DotA the charges are the same, except the amount you can hold (10 vs 15). There's not that many lineups where you'll get your 15 charges worth often enough to be worth spending the extra gold on a hero that deals with very, very limited farm in semi-competitive/competitive games. I saw Kraken played a bit and the charge skill is way more effective than Magnus' skewer in DotA, I could see why blink isn't as important. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On June 18 2011 03:54 Ganfei2 wrote: lol....always get the power supply unless you're on someone like pebbles + hardcore rushing a pk because your farm sucks. +3 to all stats and the upgrade from 10 mana a charge, 10 charges to 15 mana a charge, 10 charges for 300 gold and one item slot? Yeah, I'll take that. Especially on a hero with shit mana pool like kraken. Kraken hardly "needs" a pk and he shouldn't be picked as your main initiator anyways unless it's SD and your pool is horrible. The ult is incredibly easy to land, impossible to get out of if you're in the middle, silences, stuns, and is superior magic. Combine him with any single disable and you're good to go, it's only 1 second between cast and detonation. Most of the time you don't even need an ally's disable. The lag between cast and it appearing is miniscule and is almost impossible to miss entirely in any team fight that lasts more than a second. Kraken is much better when you can build him tanky early with a helm/vanguard and phase boots with a power supply and go around diving people and being unkillable before building into shit like shamans/hood and demonic/AC. Getting PK on him is pretty useless unless your team needs it super hard, because being unkillable with a bunch of gushes + ult and a 300 damage physical aoe auto every few seconds is far more useful than being able to blink for the occasional good ult that you'd probably get with a decent team anyways and the occasional blink to charge someone backwards. Also treads suck on kraken in my opinion. Phase boots are 20x better. Last time I played dota tidehunter had a chance based aoe auto attack, kraken is different and does a fuckload more damage. Chasing is more important/different. I just went and looked at tidehunter and yeah, his aoe auto costs mana and does more at level 4 than kraken's aoe auto (by 40), but kraken's is free and does not have a set cooldown (each auto reduces the CD of 8 seconds by a second). Yeah, even if I'm going PK I always get hotbl first. And vestments, I think. Too easy to die otherwise, even with 3.0 str gain. | ||
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