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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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MetalMarine
United States1559 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On May 17 2011 16:48 MetalMarine wrote: I don't think it's even that. Even when i war3 the virus pops up what virus | ||
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Dacendoran
United States825 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On May 17 2011 18:03 Dacendoran wrote: Anyone have any guesses as to why panda isn't played anymore in Casted games? Seems to me like he'd fit in really well in an aggressive lineup (he's also my favorite carry to play). Globals that go through BKB mess him up. Also he doesn't do as well in the trilane setup (he would be the one that needed the farm and there are heroes who use it better) | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
Accursed - How is this character even remotely viable? His "support" skills are underwhelming at best, and other than just being an incredible tank, he is completely worthless offensively. If you face him, just ignore him....he won't run you down, and has no abilities you need to be afraid of. That being said, getting a PK with him basically makes him invulnerable, and so it's kind of fun to play him, but it doesn't change the fact that he is still basically worthless other than to hope the other team tries to focus him down. Last hitting heroes with your curse(i think) ability is quite hilarious though. The team I played against somehow thought he was op. Devourer - just me or one of the hardest characters to play? Very skill dependent abilities, none of which are AoE or can even one shot unless you're ahead on levels, and any character is good in that situation. Very good single stuns, but it's worthless if you can't convert. Slowest character in the game, and yet doesn't even really have the tanking or damage output to back that up. Arguably a good creep farmer with his decay ability, but any ranged character can just sit behind his creeps and pepper the crap out of him since his hook only grabs the closest character, not what you aim at....Will not willingly play this character again. Just no fun. Magmus - Can be really fun to play, but really feels so soft. Once you get him up to a decent level, and equip him right, he can dominate, but everything with him just feels like work. His ult is so easy to avoid unless you're stunned, and other than stunning and running, I didn't find him that useful in team fights. Obviously his ult makes opponents run, but it's not like you have to run far, and PKing into fights correctly is kind of skill intensive, especially to a newbie. | ||
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Glull
Germany404 Posts
devourer - just one skill dependant ability, some like it, some don't. he is VERY tanky and one of the meanest heroes to face in the early game - you have to dodge every hook and stay out of decay range most of the time or he can hunt you down handily. magmus - not soft, not item dependant - his ult is tricky to time until you get a portal key and best used while sitting in trees followed by a stun, using ult together with pk is a piece of cake with shift queuing. amazing in teamfights for initiation and aoe stuns. there are thousands of guides and millions of replays, and yet people are too lazy or stupid to research even the most basic information before just blurting out whatever questions they have on their mind - and then they are surprised they get short, simple answers or get flooded by bad advice and why they never seem to improve. no wonder this thread never gets more intresting (just the hon part of it), there is rarely anyone asking intresting or reasonably debatable questions. a pity, i think. | ||
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Wrath 2.1
Germany880 Posts
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On May 17 2011 22:27 Glull wrote: accursed - yes, he is viable, and if you look hard enough (=look at all) you will find out how. hint: never buy a pk, and try not to shield yourself. devourer - just one skill dependant ability, some like it, some don't. he is VERY tanky and one of the meanest heroes to face in the early game - you have to dodge every hook and stay out of decay range most of the time or he can hunt you down handily. magmus - not soft, not item dependant - his ult is tricky to time until you get a portal key and best used while sitting in trees followed by a stun, using ult together with pk is a piece of cake with shift queuing. amazing in teamfights for initiation and aoe stuns. there are thousands of guides and millions of replays, and yet people are too lazy or stupid to research even the most basic information before just blurting out whatever questions they have on their mind - and then they are surprised they get short, simple answers or get flooded by bad advice and why they never seem to improve. no wonder this thread never gets more intresting (just the hon part of it), there is rarely anyone asking intresting or reasonably debatable questions. a pity, i think. Well aren't you a pleasant one. Yes, I've looked at guides and such, but most of them are focused on high level play....play way above my level .Heck, half the guides on the HoN forums basically state...."for competitive use only, doing this in a pub will get you raped". And you basically add to the reason people don't like these kinds of games. It's hard to learn, and yet everyone beyond newbie level acts like they are gods of the game, and generally act like supreme d-bags at all times. | ||
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Ethenielle
Norway1006 Posts
Imo don't bother with guides, focus on getting good game sense/understanding and you're golden. I'd recommend watching some honcast, it'll help you a lot. "For use in competitive play only" is a load of shit and I don't see how it applies at all. Example? As for accursed, he has 2 heals and is thus useful for keeping you and your team alive. Seems pretty obvious to me and he is very viable for that reason. Don't try to carry with non-carry heroes(not every hero needs to carry) unless you're playing with people below your skill level. Likewise killstealing with accurseds heal is completely fucking retarded and I would burst a vein if I saw you doing it. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On May 18 2011 00:19 Ethenielle wrote: Good day to you sir. Imo don't bother with guides, focus on getting good game sense/understanding and you're golden. I'd recommend watching some honcast, it'll help you a lot. "For use in competitive play only" is a load of shit and I don't see how it applies at all. Example? As for accursed, he has 2 heals and is thus useful for keeping you and your team alive. Seems pretty obvious to me and he is very viable for that reason. Don't try to carry with non-carry heroes(not every hero needs to carry) unless you're playing with people below your skill level. Likewise killstealing with accurseds heal is completely fucking retarded and I would burst a vein if I saw you doing it. He's also super hard to focus down compared to the other healers and the shield does a fair bit of AoE damage when it goes off. I agree, don't bother with guides. The new in game guide system gives you builds/skill-ups that are good enough to let you focus entirely on learning the basics. Just be a bit wary of guides that give situational or 'advanced' items. Like I don't recommend making a portal key as a newbie pyromancer. It's too hard to farm when you suck, requires you to actually be good about using it, and in the meantime offers no buffer of hp or mana to survive fights when your positioning skills still suck. I guess that's my example of 'competitive use only'. Nothing is really competitive use only so much as it's 'know wtf you're doing only' or 'have organization only'. Sandwraith or KotF as heroes are good example of the latter imo. Without organization both heroes tend to suffer a lot in their usefulness. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Magmus is a baller if you can get the gold farm early enough to get into rapeface mode with a portal key. The ultimate is fine, if you port into someone it dizzys them and slows them so they don't really have the option to run away but often times you're PK'ing into a group of people, once your ultimate is over (its done in like 2 seconds anyways) you burrow strike them, or Q whatever its called in HoN and thats another 300 damage nuke with like a 2.5 second stun. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
Heal: 250 heal on >6< seconds Shield: 200 shield on 9 seconds that dispels pretty much everything (stuns, debuffs, etc) Basically your job is to just spam your skills on a hard carry to give them a ridiculous amount of health and that nice aoe damage. Not too item dependent either, just a nomes will give you enough mana regen for everything, and generally even without it you have enough to spam your spells for one teamfight Acc can be picked up as a counter to a dot-heavy or gank/disable-heavy team, since his shield dispels disables, debuffs, and dots (he's really good against slither and succubus in particular), and tping in to heal/shield stops pretty much anything short of 5 man ganks. He drops off in effectiveness lategame though, since his static heal rate becomes less and less noticeable. Devourer: 400 damage physical nuke at lv7 is huge, and combined with his ulti he's one of the heaviest nukers early on if you can land everything. A decent amount of the hero is in the skillshot, but sometimes (especially against pubs) you can just waddle up and ulti to pointblank hook Devo's effectiveness kind of depends on how good your opponents are too; it's often easy to land hooks on newer players who run in a straight line or tend to stand in one spot Magmus: He's pretty squishy, but between his blinkstun and steambath you can generally work around it. His stun is way good (line stun that doubles as a blink), but a lot of his potential is lost without shiftqueue ulti pk. If you sit around in practice mode for a bit it's not too hard to learn | ||
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Glull
Germany404 Posts
On May 18 2011 00:01 Sm3agol wrote: Well aren't you a pleasant one. Yes, I've looked at guides and such, but most of them are focused on high level play....play way above my level .Heck, half the guides on the HoN forums basically state...."for competitive use only, doing this in a pub will get you raped". And you basically add to the reason people don't like these kinds of games. It's hard to learn, and yet everyone beyond newbie level acts like they are gods of the game, and generally act like supreme d-bags at all times. there are no guides i know of focusing on high-level play. every single hero guide i have read or looked at was written with the intent of teaching the reader how to play a hero, which implies that it is written either for new players or players new to the hero, both of which implies low skill level. i would like to see a few of those guides you found, because frankly, i dont believe you. here, 20 seconds of detective work: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=70755 http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=40853 http://www.dotallyrad.com/2010/08/15/hon-accursed-hero-guide/ | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
As you admit, you are a noob so don't make any judgments for yourself and just keep an open mind. Even when you think you know something you actually don't until you put in the necessary game-time experience. Lastly, if something is for competitive use and its written by a verifiable person [ aka not any dumbass who magically decides to write a guide ] then it doesn't matter if it is ' way above ' your level. You want to get to that level so use that guide and that guide only. If you download a pro replay, you need to study only pro replays. Studying people around or at your level is a pointless exercise. One of the best ways to improve and learn is replays. Its way easier in hon than it is in dota, and with the age of streaming the resources available to you are plentiful. There is literally 0 excuse for someone who doesn't become decent as long as you play more around 3-5 games a day. I would seriously like to know the logic behind ' doing this in a pub will get you raped ' if you are playing competitively. The entire notion of playing competitive is playing standard or safe against all tactics so you learn how to respond or playing so aggressively you limit their options to those you know how to exploit. Top players don't go into pubs thinking, oh well I can't use my last hitting skills or good decisions because this is a pub. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On May 17 2011 21:57 Sm3agol wrote: Played some random characters last night as a newbie, and had some questions. Accursed - How is this character even remotely viable? His "support" skills are underwhelming at best, and other than just being an incredible tank, he is completely worthless offensively. If you face him, just ignore him....he won't run you down, and has no abilities you need to be afraid of. That being said, getting a PK with him basically makes him invulnerable, and so it's kind of fun to play him, but it doesn't change the fact that he is still basically worthless other than to hope the other team tries to focus him down. Last hitting heroes with your curse(i think) ability is quite hilarious though. The team I played against somehow thought he was op. Devourer - just me or one of the hardest characters to play? Very skill dependent abilities, none of which are AoE or can even one shot unless you're ahead on levels, and any character is good in that situation. Very good single stuns, but it's worthless if you can't convert. Slowest character in the game, and yet doesn't even really have the tanking or damage output to back that up. Arguably a good creep farmer with his decay ability, but any ranged character can just sit behind his creeps and pepper the crap out of him since his hook only grabs the closest character, not what you aim at....Will not willingly play this character again. Just no fun. Magmus - Can be really fun to play, but really feels so soft. Once you get him up to a decent level, and equip him right, he can dominate, but everything with him just feels like work. His ult is so easy to avoid unless you're stunned, and other than stunning and running, I didn't find him that useful in team fights. Obviously his ult makes opponents run, but it's not like you have to run far, and PKing into fights correctly is kind of skill intensive, especially to a newbie. Welcome to HoN!~ Accursed is an extremely strong support hero, but not quite as strong without good team communication and a solid lanemate - he's not one of those heroes that you can expect to see your good play directly result in kills. He is generally laned with a ranged hero that needs farm, giving them a great deal of safety. He can also be partnered with someone like Slither, who can really get a lot of kills early on without fear of dying if played properly. In the mid-late game, you just use your shield on important heroes to remove debuffs and stuns while spamming heal as much as possible. Devourer is very hard, but also extremely potent at low levels with good hook play. Lower level players often leave themselves very vulnerable to a hero like Devourer. Watch a couple replays of strong Devourer players and you'll get the idea. Magmus is primarily used as an offensive laner/ganker and then an initiator for teamfights. His stun is quite strong and puts him in position to get a couple autoattacks afterwards, easily setting up chain stun combos. His ult is extremely powerful after obtaining your portal key. Hope this helps! GL | ||
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Glull
Germany404 Posts
On May 18 2011 01:17 Ack1027 wrote:Top players don't go into pubs thinking, oh well I can't use my last hitting skills or good decisions because this is a pub. i would be careful there - a lot of "good decisions" in high-level play are based on teamplay and synergy, the lower you go, the more you cannot rely on your team to actually do its job "right" by high-level standards. "doing this in pubs will get you raped" is of course exaggerating, but unlike a high-level game you have nine people to keep in mind, not five. player skill just has much more emphasis in the decision making process for high players in low games, i guess thats where the saying is from. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On May 18 2011 01:51 Glull wrote: i would be careful there - a lot of "good decisions" in high-level play are based on teamplay and synergy, the lower you go, the more you cannot rely on your team to actually do its job "right" by high-level standards. "doing this in pubs will get you raped" is of course exaggerating, but unlike a high-level game you have nine people to keep in mind, not five. player skill just has much more emphasis in the decision making process for high players in low games, i guess thats where the saying is from. WRONG! Good decision-making isn't skill dependent. If you're doing things based on your expectations rather than reality, well then you aren't a very good player in the first place, but rather a very good monkey. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On May 18 2011 01:51 Glull wrote: i would be careful there - a lot of "good decisions" in high-level play are based on teamplay and synergy, the lower you go, the more you cannot rely on your team to actually do its job "right" by high-level standards. "doing this in pubs will get you raped" is of course exaggerating, but unlike a high-level game you have nine people to keep in mind, not five. player skill just has much more emphasis in the decision making process for high players in low games, i guess thats where the saying is from. I agree with your response to him actually so I'm not trying to argue here or pick at semantics. In regards to your post, good decisions are based on teamplay and synergy. However, I would say that a good player will make good decisions after he accounts for all the available knowledge. Situation 1: Good player makes ' good decisions ' based off what his good teammates do ' right '. Situation 2: Good player realizes he is playing with baddies and adjusts his play so he can get farmed himself or do what absolutely needs to get done to win the game [ if that is his goal in a pub ] So you see, regardless of your teammate's skill level, you as an individual can always do the ' good ' decision. You cannot depend on pubbers to do their job right, but knowing this information will help you make a better decision. As for doing this in pubs will get you raped....there's just no application for that at any level Cheers  | ||
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