Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkk

I fucked up the picks on game 2. I think we underestimated them somewhat and decided to be all experimental (we never run potm, sk which coincidentally turned out to horrible picks and they are just bad at least). And I was unaware reincarnation costs 140 mana at all levels.

I must've been on crack. Should have taken lion on 4th and waited to see and picked something appropriate on the last turn (anything but leoric LOL)

I've been extremely busy with school so the ADC matches are the only games I play

dumb dumb dumb
someone e-slap some sense into me

our next opponents are nirv.cn and mineski

Ack1027

United States7873 Posts

September 24 2010 14:31 GMT

#20887

Its ok hyung. Auto picking skel king syndrome takes a while to get outta your system.

Don't give up!

Heen

Korea (South)2178 Posts

September 24 2010 14:47 GMT

#20888

Thx Ack dongseng T_T
dunno why I was so stupid.

For the record.. I am trying to tell my team exactly what to do when possible. PotM didn't participate in teamfights when we needed him even though I specifically mentioned we need her as soon as she gets lvl 8/9 since staying in lane vs WR is our loss.

Then the roshan incident...
well let's just say I yelled roshan as soon as we took down all their supports and only WD died but their impulses apparently told them to keep chasing naix/WR.

Judicator

United States7270 Posts

September 24 2010 16:38 GMT

#20889

Sounds like you need to ride them more until they listen...because that's what I do for the entire game...

Your picks weren't good, but hardly bad. What you should have done as soon as you saw the Silencer tri-lane (which should have been obvious), is to run the SK top against WR and run a 1-2-2 with the ES on roam between mid and top. I doubt your SK would get driven out of the lane by WR and kept the ES/PotM lane against the Lion (pinning the Lion from potentially getting free mid game).

WD babysits the Panda for a Dagger and play Euro-gank mid game with your SK as the farmer and should be able to handle the Naix and play the trade support game which you'll win thanks to Panda's ulti and your crit on top of the fact that they're running a CM and Silencer.

For some reason or another your team sounds like they're impatient at times. If you honestly think your team lost because of your picking, that's not true at all. It was very manageable, just got to make in game adjustments. Once I saw the Silencer pick I was like if you run tri-lane to tri-lane then you lose out very hard.

Against your upcoming game against Nv.CN, ban the Enigma, you'll regret it if you don't. They use that hero in a very effective way laning wise, gives them a big advantage in establishing their lanes early on.

Edit: The reason I am suggesting you to punt the tri-lane match up because you aren't stopping Naix in that set up, not with Curse effectively ripping off two of your spells, Panda with WD both can shake off Curse and that midgame silencer is very glass; so glass I don't even bother getting HP for him, getting a Force Staff or a Meka would be infinitely more useful. So you'll have 2 glass heroes to kill straight up.

Heen

Korea (South)2178 Posts

September 24 2010 17:23 GMT

#20890

Thanks for the detailed advice, Judi.

WD and ES were suggesting that we swap top and bottom lanes when things started going bad but it didn't seem to be worth it to me. I tend to have a mental block at times, which forces me to lean towards formulated picks and lane distribution. Scout has been criticizing my 'transparent' lane distribution lately.

I used to tell specific roaming routes between 2 lanes, even specifying which lane to focus on depending on how they distribute their lanes. I ought to start doing that again.

Judicator

United States7270 Posts

September 24 2010 17:30 GMT

#20891

Don't be afraid to try, that Silencer was key early on, Lion mid and Naix late. WR isn't that big since you had ES, Lion you can control too, so the only thing left to really worry about is not letting Naix farm into late game before your team was ready. So just zip the Silencer in the bud and make them move, if you do, get your ES and PotM with TPs and just keep the SK safe. WD with defensive wards and you have a pretty chance. Especially since Fissure still handles Naix's Rage pretty well if placed right.

Lane swap was not the right decision, you need to stop that Silencer and make him useless. WD/Storm was your best bet from what I can see. Freeing up the ES/PotM to pressure the Lion/WR in two lanes.

Heen

Korea (South)2178 Posts

September 24 2010 17:57 GMT

#20892

Hrmm things look much clearer in retrospect lol

Basically, as down as we were after the games, we tried to figure out the fundamental faults in our decision making on irc. It's pretty obvious that top was less than ideal the longer it stayed that way and mid wasn't going that well either. And bottom, which had the worst results created no space for storm after he got his ult.

Even as we got our ass handed to us by CotS at bottom, it was clear that if you can't overpower bottom, duking it out over an extended time would certainly lead to our loss. We knew the problem but couldn't come up with a solution fast enough. If you've watched the game, you'll recall our half-assed attempt at making up for bottom lane when SK and ES followed storm to mid and ganked lion so we could push mid and draw attention there. I specifically told WD to tower hug as we left but ofc he dies 10 seconds after we left because he wanted some exp juice.

Our team should probably watch the replays together to look for details.

Trizz

Netherlands1322 Posts

September 24 2010 18:01 GMT

#20893

I have to say, Doctor Repulsor is pretty amazing.

Wala.Revolution

7584 Posts

September 24 2010 22:13 GMT

#20894

If anybody cares Loaded is now sponsored by EG.

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

September 24 2010 22:52 GMT

#20895

:O!

And ya repulsor is so much fun lol.

Wala.Revolution

7584 Posts

September 24 2010 23:24 GMT

#20896

Instead of changing location to noobville the wager should have been for you to change your name to Pokenubby.

Dead9

United States4725 Posts

September 25 2010 01:16 GMT

#20897

How is that a punishment I want to be an scv too

rabidch

United States20289 Posts

September 25 2010 09:32 GMT

#20898

On September 25 2010 01:38 Judicator wrote:
Sounds like you need to ride them more until they listen...because that's what I do for the entire game...

Your picks weren't good, but hardly bad. What you should have done as soon as you saw the Silencer tri-lane (which should have been obvious), is to run the SK top against WR and run a 1-2-2 with the ES on roam between mid and top. I doubt your SK would get driven out of the lane by WR and kept the ES/PotM lane against the Lion (pinning the Lion from potentially getting free mid game).

WD babysits the Panda for a Dagger and play Euro-gank mid game with your SK as the farmer and should be able to handle the Naix and play the trade support game which you'll win thanks to Panda's ulti and your crit on top of the fact that they're running a CM and Silencer.

For some reason or another your team sounds like they're impatient at times. If you honestly think your team lost because of your picking, that's not true at all. It was very manageable, just got to make in game adjustments. Once I saw the Silencer pick I was like if you run tri-lane to tri-lane then you lose out very hard.

Against your upcoming game against Nv.CN, ban the Enigma, you'll regret it if you don't. They use that hero in a very effective way laning wise, gives them a big advantage in establishing their lanes early on.

Edit: The reason I am suggesting you to punt the tri-lane match up because you aren't stopping Naix in that set up, not with Curse effectively ripping off two of your spells, Panda with WD both can shake off Curse and that midgame silencer is very glass; so glass I don't even bother getting HP for him, getting a Force Staff or a Meka would be infinitely more useful. So you'll have 2 glass heroes to kill straight up.

i didnt watch the replay but
whether the team can execute the advice well counts too (i mean all the theorycrafting can go to hell if the team cant do it right),
i agree i dont think they got outpicked (maybe your team thinks that not outpicking means getting outpicked? lol)

Judicator

United States7270 Posts

September 25 2010 16:20 GMT

#20899

If a team can't listen to what needs to be done, then sorry to be mean, that's really fucking dumb. You lose out because you didn't make the adjustments and proceed to play down the path that you figured out 20 mins ago that was going to rape you.

Punting the farm for that bot lane with a Storm is fine because out of all the heroes on your team, Storm had the best chance to power farm and recover from a shitty start. Once mid tower goes down, and if you had protected the other towers, then their bot is screaming for a fuck you 4 man gank where you try to get the Storm to pick up their CM and maybe their Silencer.